[QUOTE=The LA Times]Reporting from Denver
Arizona lawmakers on Tuesday approved what foes and supporters agree is the toughest measure in the country against illegal immigrants, directing local police to determine whether people are in the country legally.
The measure, long sought by opponents of illegal immigration, passed 35 to 21 in the state House of Representatives.
The state Senate passed a similar measure earlier this year, and Republican Gov. Jan Brewer is expected to sign the bill.
The bill's author, State Sen. Russell Pearce, said it simply "takes the handcuffs off of law enforcement and lets them do their job."
But police were deeply divided on the matter, with police unions backing it but the state police chief's association opposing the bill, contending it could erode trust with immigrants who could be potential witnesses.
Immigrant rights groups were horrified, and contended that Arizona would be transformed into a police state.
"It's beyond the pale," said Chris Newman, legal director of the National Day Laborer Organizing Network. "It appears to mandate racial profiling."
The bill, known as SB 1070, makes it a misdemeanor to lack proper immigration paperwork in Arizona. It also requires police officers, if they form a "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant, to determine the person's immigration status.
Currently, officers can inquire about someone's immigration status only if the person is a suspect in another crime. The bill allows officers to avoid the immigration issue if it would be impractical or hinder another investigation.
Citizens can sue to compel police agencies to comply with the law, and no city or agency can formulate a policy directing its workers to ignore the law -- a provision that advocates say prevents so-called sanctuary orders that police not inquire about people's immigration status.
The bill cements the position of Arizona, whose border with Mexico is the most popular point of entry for illegal immigrants into this country, as the state most aggressively using its own laws to fight illegal immigration. In 2006 the state passed a law that would dissolve companies with a pattern of hiring illegal immigrants. Last year it made it a crime for a government worker to give improper benefits to an illegal immigrant.
Mark Krikorian at the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C., think tank that advocates tougher immigration enforcement, said the legislation was a logical extension of the state's previous enforcement efforts.
"It makes sense that they would be the first to do it since they're ground zero for illegal immigration," he said.
Krikorian added that he doubted the law would be used much. "Obviously, their prosecutors aren't going to go out and prosecute every illegal alien," he said. "It gives police and prosecutors another tool should they need it."
Opponents, however, raised the specter of officers untrained in immigration law being required to determine who is in the country legally. They noted that though the bill says race cannot solely be used to form a suspicion about a person's legality, it implicitly allows it to be a factor.
"A lot of U.S. citizens are going to be swept up in the application of this law for something as simple as having an accent and leaving their wallet at home," said Alessandra Soler Meetze, president of the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona.
The ACLU and other groups have vowed to sue to block the bill from taking effect should Brewer sign it. They note that a federal court struck down a New Hampshire law in 2005 that said illegal immigrants were trespassing, declaring that only the federal government has the authority to enforce immigration. Another provision of the Arizona law, which makes day laborers illegal, violates the 1st Amendment, critics contend.
The issue of local enforcement of immigration laws has been especially heated in Arizona, where Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has taken an aggressive stance, conducting sweeps in immigrant-heavy neighborhoods to round up illegal immigrants.
His actions have drawn a civil rights investigation from the Department of Justice but strong praise from Arizonans. Other agencies have argued against Arpaio's stance, saying that they need illegal immigrants to trust them enough to report crimes.
Brewer, a Republican, has not taken a public stance on the bill. She replaced Janet Napolitano, a Democrat who became President Obama's Homeland Security chief last year. Napolitano had vetoed similar bills in the past. Brewer faces a primary challenge next month; most observers expect her to sign the measure.
Some Republicans have privately complained about the bill, which Pearce has been pushing for several years, but were loath to vote against it in an election year. The House was scheduled to approve it last week but the vote was delayed until Tuesday to give sponsors a chance to round up enough votes. It picked up steam after the killing late last month of a rancher on the Arizona side of the Mexican border. Footprints from the crime scene led back to Mexico.
In an impassioned debate Tuesday, both sides relied on legal and moral arguments.
"Illegal immigration brings crime, kidnapping, drugs -- drains our government services," said Rep. John Kavanagh, a Republican. "Nobody can stand on the sidelines and not take part in this battle."
Democrats were just as passionate. "This bill, whether we intend it or not, terrorizes the people we profit from," said Rep. Tom Chabin.[/QUOTE]
So basically this state-sponsored racial profiling [b]requires[/b] police officers in Arizona to check the immigration status of a person if they are hispanic. I know they're pissed off about that rancher, but this is the toughest immigration law in the country and I don't see what any possible benefit could be. Not only will it affect a large part of their economy but it's going to make any cooperation with illegal immigrants almost impossible now.
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[url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-arizona-immigration14-2010apr14,0,4677282.story[/url]
Good.
I fucking hate illegal aliens. They steal jobs from people who need and deserve them. I know their trying to find a better life, but just.... We don't want you here..
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[QUOTE=gerbile4;21340888]Good.
I fucking hate illegal aliens. They steal jobs from people who need and deserve them. I know their trying to find a better life, but just.... We don't want you here..[/QUOTE]
This comment made me feel sick to my stomach, I can't even type a response.
Arizonan here and i do not approve.
[QUOTE=Wonky;21340906]This comment made me feel sick to my stomach, I can't even type a response.[/QUOTE]
but you just did :downs:
[QUOTE=gerbile4;21340888]Good.
I fucking hate illegal aliens. They steal jobs from people who need and deserve them. I know their trying to find a better life, but just.... We don't want you here..[/QUOTE]
well a stricter immigration law means more illegals right?
Cooperation with illegal immigrants? What? They aren't even supposed to be here in the fucking first place. What they need to do is get an education and spend the time to come over here the legal way. If they don't want to learn english, that's their problem.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;21340928]well a stricter immigration law means more illegals right?[/QUOTE]
Woah wait did I misread this?
Are they talking about tightening down on Illegal immigration, or tightening the laws to get in the country?
Poor way to deal with the issue.
[QUOTE=??UnKnOwN??;21340935]Cooperation with illegal immigrants? What? They aren't even supposed to be here in the fucking first place. What they need to do is get an education and spend the time to come over here the legal way. If they don't want to learn english, that's their problem.[/QUOTE]
If it were that easy a lot more of them would do it. It's not easy easy as learning an English and taking some test.
I wish we could just get all the illegal immigrants out of the country, is it really that hard to get here legally?
[QUOTE=Dr Pepper;21340969] is it really that hard to get here legally?[/QUOTE]
Yes. The United States is one of the toughest countries to gain citizenship to.
[QUOTE=gerbile4;21340888]Good.
I fucking hate illegal aliens. They steal jobs from people who need and deserve them. I know their trying to find a better life, but just.... We don't want you here..[/QUOTE]
umad bro?
[QUOTE=gerbile4;21340888]Good.
I fucking hate illegal aliens. They steal jobs from people who need and deserve them. I know their trying to find a better life, but just.... We don't want you here..[/QUOTE]
The amount of ignorance is abundant in this one.
[QUOTE=??UnKnOwN??;21340935]Cooperation with illegal immigrants? What? They aren't even supposed to be here in the fucking first place. What they need to do is get an education and spend the time to come over here the legal way. If they don't want to learn english, that's their problem.[/QUOTE]
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It's not really that easy.
This Arizona initiative is not the right way to approach this situation.
If no one would hire illegals, they wouldn't come(since they are here to take our jobs).
Therefore the problem is obviously with the employers. Americans in this case.
[quote]The bill, known as SB 1070, makes it a misdemeanor to lack proper immigration paperwork in Arizona. It also requires police officers, if they form a "reasonable suspicion" that someone is an illegal immigrant, to determine the person's immigration status.[/quote]
That's terrible. It's letting police officers search someone's person without a warrant.
[QUOTE=MercZ;21341154]This Arizona initiative is not the right way to approach this situation.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. The funny thing is it does nothing to actually stop illegal immigration. There is literally no benefit gained from the passing of this law.
Also thanks for posting that chart.
[QUOTE=gerbile4;21340888]Good.
I fucking hate illegal aliens. They steal jobs from people who need and deserve them. I know their trying to find a better life, but just.... We don't want you here..[/QUOTE]
Hey mexicans, you can come to canada. No tards like that ^ up here.
I live in Arizona
That's fucking rediculous, they can basically throw you in jail for being Hispanic at a given point of time and not carrying around proof of citizenship. Fucking ignorant, racist rednecks.
American immigration laws are fucking stupid.
immigration reminds me of piracy
people who do it the right way end up going through more shit, and the people who do it the wrong way get off way easier
Really, immigration doesn't bother me so much, what bothers me is a large majority of immigrants are willing to work for a pittance, which only ends up poisoning the job market by creating a how low can you go competition for wages. They're trying to survive and make their way, I get it, but damn, they're screwing a lot of people over.
[QUOTE=gerbile4;21340888]Good.
I fucking hate illegal aliens. They steal jobs from people who need and deserve them. I know their trying to find a better life, but just.... We don't want you here..[/QUOTE]
I didn't know you're willing to do all the shit jobs with half the wage... Most illegal immigrants are honest mistreated people who are being abused for, well, being illegal immigrants.
Lankist would positively go nuts. :v:
[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;21342024]Lankist would positively go nuts. :v:[/QUOTE]
Awwww, i miss his humor... :saddowns:
[QUOTE=aydin690;21342015]I didn't know you're willing to do all the shit jobs with half the wage... Most illegal immigrants are honest mistreated people who are being abused for, well, being illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE]
At the rate California's getting in more debt, my family is about to be making as much as an Illegal immigrant's.
So I might be willing to take the shit jobs.
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[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;21342024]Lankist would positively go nuts. :v:[/QUOTE]
On what exactly?
[QUOTE=Fables;21342045]At the rate California's getting in more debt, my family is about to be making as much as an Illegal immigrant's.
So I might be willing to take the shit jobs.
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Have a heart then. :love:
[QUOTE=aydin690;21342057]Have a heart then. :love:[/QUOTE]
I think it's funny that my dad now gets less then minimal wage, (the legal wage for California is $8.50) and he's a state worker.
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