499 Islamic extremists pose threat in Germany, officials say - Polidicks

[quote]BERLIN (AP) — Authorities in Germany are monitoring almost 500 Islamic extremists they believe pose a potential security threat, officials said Friday, a day after the arrest of three men suspected of planning to carry out an attack in the country for the Islamic State group. The men — identified only as Syrian citizens Hamza C., 27; Mahood B., 25; and Abd Arahman A. K., 31 — were arrested in three separate locations across Germany following a tip from a fourth suspect who had approached French authorities earlier this year. While Germany hasn't suffered mass-casualty attacks by Islamic extremists of the type seen in France and Belgium over recent months, authorities say the country is a target and the risk of attacks is high. "It's definitely too soon for a fundamental reassessment in light of what happened yesterday," Interior Ministry spokesman Johannes Dimroth said, adding that authorities will have to await the outcome of prosecutors' investigation. All three of those arrested in Germany were living in refugee shelters, adding to concerns that IS might be sending fighters to Germany disguised as asylum-seekers. Almost 1.1 million people were registered as asylum-seekers in Germany last year, many of them fleeing war and persecution in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. Dimroth said authorities had received regular tips about possible Islamic extremists coming to Germany as asylum-seekers and were systematically checking those reports. He didn't say how many of the 499 Islamic extremists under observation by state and federal police were asylum-seekers. Federal prosecutors say the men who were arrested intended to carry out an attack in the western city of Duesseldorf though they had no concrete plans.[/quote] [url]http://bigstory.ap.org/article/642832eb221e4100821ee2d6cad57d52/officials-say-499-islamic-extremists-pose-threat-germany[/url] [url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/officials-499-islamic-extremists-pose-threat-germany-39580888[/url] [url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/officials-say-499-islamic-extremists-pose-threat-in-germany/2016/06/03/05d5349a-297c-11e6-8329-6104954928d2_story.html[/url]

Not that there's 499 of them, more that they're monitoring 499. Also, arrest them right away lmao what?

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50452024]Not that there's 499 of them, more that they're monitoring 499. Also, arrest them right away lmao what?[/QUOTE] Freedom of speech and religion much? The Germans do have a thing against secret police and thought crime Still, monitoring them can fail pretty badly

[QUOTE=Sableye;50452468]Freedom of speech and religion much? The Germans do have a thing against secret police and thought crime Still, monitoring them can fail pretty badly[/QUOTE] There's a visible line needed to cross when their government is just enabling at this point.

[QUOTE=Sableye;50452468]Freedom of speech and religion much? The Germans do have a thing against secret police and thought crime Still, monitoring them can fail pretty badly[/QUOTE] They arrested 4 extremists this week and prevented a terror attack in Düsseldorf. [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36435422[/url]

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50452024]Not that there's 499 of them, more that they're monitoring 499. Also, arrest them right away lmao what?[/QUOTE] on what charges

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50454078]on what charges[/QUOTE] whatever they've done to raise suspicion of extremism I don't deserve to be arrested but if I did something that so much as hinted that I had 0.000001% extremism and I got arrested, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean what do you have to have done to be a "suspect" in something like this? Either way, I'd arrest them right away and not risk losing our own lives about it. If one of them blows something up next week, folk will raise their pitchforks at the government for not arresting them in the first place.

Arrest them right away if they think they're extremists because they have no fucking problem going after people who express themselves on Facebook posts.

Well, after the intelligence fiasco the Bataclan attacks were, I imagine the priorities within the european intelligence MUST have changed. They are surely watching them closely and trying to untie the connections of the different cells.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50454275]whatever they've done to raise suspicion of extremism I don't deserve to be arrested but if I did something that so much as hinted that I had 0.000001% extremism and I got arrested, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean what do you have to have done to be a "suspect" in something like this? Either way, I'd arrest them right away and not risk losing our own lives about it. If one of them blows something up next week, folk will raise their pitchforks at the government for not arresting them in the first place.[/QUOTE] that's some real authoritarian bullshit. "we [I]might[/I] save lives" could be used as an argument against, quite literally, [I]everyone[/I] if they show clear intent of committing a crime, then sure, go ahead. but so far, what they've done only warrants putting them on a watchlist. one they're already on.

[QUOTE=pkhzor;50454612]Arrest them right away if they think they're extremists because they have no fucking problem going after people who express themselves on Facebook posts.[/QUOTE] it's almost as if the modern legal system of effectively every decent nation on earth guarantees that a government will not unlawfully arrest you for simply holding a certain set of beliefs. now if they start conspiring to commit a terrorist act - bam, conspiracy charges, prison time. you can't just arrest people who disagree with you. wait for them to conspire or actually act violently. otherwise anyone who says negative things about a state could just get arrested instantly because they might be violent - that is unfair and totalitarian.

Couldn't they have found just one more extremest?

cant they see this is all a distraction created by the 500th extremist smh wake up people

[QUOTE=.Isak.;50457390]it's almost as if the modern legal system of effectively every decent nation on earth guarantees that a government will not unlawfully arrest you for simply holding a certain set of beliefs. you can't just arrest people who disagree with you. wait for them to conspire or actually act violently. otherwise anyone who says negative things about a state could just get arrested instantly because they might be violent - that is unfair and totalitarian.[/QUOTE] You're joking, right? Snowden, Assange. Oh, and you can't say anything bad about refugees/muslims in general when it comes to Facebook in Germany. People have gotten into shit for thoughtcrimes such as 'Islam is filth' 'Fuck the mooslims' type of posts while these guys are happily involved(suspected) in terrorist plots to possibly murder other people yet they get treated real gingerly. How about the government sends a mesasge and starts arresting everyone with a hint of extremism related to the middle-east instead of arresting and scaring their own populace out of having any negative opinions regarding the refugees.

[QUOTE=pkhzor;50457837]You're joking, right? Snowden, Assange. Oh, and you can't say anything bad about refugees/muslims in general when it comes to Facebook in Germany. People have gotten into shit for thoughtcrimes such as 'Islam is filth' 'Fuck the mooslims' type of posts while these guys are happily involved(suspected) in terrorist plots to possibly murder other people yet they get treated real gingerly. How about the government sends a mesasge and [B]starts arresting everyone with a hint of extremism related to the middle-east[/B] instead of arresting and scaring their own populace out of having any negative opinions regarding the refugees.[/QUOTE] Agreed! Anyone with even the slightest hint of Islamic extremism should be jailed indefinitely, as they are simply too dangerous to be released.

[QUOTE=pkhzor;50457837]You're joking, right? Snowden, Assange. Oh, and you can't say anything bad about refugees/muslims in general when it comes to Facebook in Germany. People have gotten into shit for thoughtcrimes such as 'Islam is filth' 'Fuck the mooslims' type of posts while these guys are happily involved(suspected) in terrorist plots to possibly murder other people yet they get treated real gingerly. How about the government sends a mesasge and starts arresting everyone with a hint of extremism related to the middle-east instead of arresting and scaring their own populace out of having any negative opinions regarding the refugees.[/QUOTE] Snowden and Assange broke the law. I agree that it's bullshit, but they blatantly broke US law. Point me to one law that these extremists have broken. They haven't yet. That's why they're being monitored and not arrested - there's a high chance that they may break the law, and so if they can be caught in the process they can be arrested for conspiracy murder charges and imprisoned for a long while. Why doesn't the government start arresting suspected socialists and communists like the US did during McCarthyism? That's exactly what you're suggesting. Any relation to the Soviet Union or any ideological history of favoring communism or socialism? Go to trial. That was unjust and disgusting - this is not much different. Wait for them to plan for a crime and you can arrest them for conspiracy. Arresting people because of their ideology or political beliefs is [i]inherently wrong[/i]. That goes for that "thoughtcrime" stuff you're talking about, too - that's not right. If you're willing to arrest anyone who has any relation to extremist Islam or the Middle East in any way, you should be perfectly comfortable with the government arresting any other political groups that oppose them. Anything other than giving the government absolute power to arrest political opponents and those with deviant, radical political beliefs is bigotry and hypocrisy.

[QUOTE=Cypher_09;50454275]whatever they've done to raise suspicion of extremism I don't deserve to be arrested but if I did something that so much as hinted that I had 0.000001% extremism and I got arrested, I wouldn't be surprised. I mean what do you have to have done to be a "suspect" in something like this? Either way, I'd arrest them right away and not risk losing our own lives about it. If one of them blows something up next week, folk will raise their pitchforks at the government for not arresting them in the first place.[/QUOTE] yeah let's put the japanese back into internment camps too it's horrible how you let fear and hysteria provoke you into signing away your rights you say all that as if the government isn't doing enough, even though the article clearly depicts how the government did its job in protecting its citizens and details in brief a plan to continue doing so

Well yeah alright, they have to commit a crime first. Plan for murder or smth. (@Isak) But it still doesn't really sound like a good idea to have bunch of Muslims around with more or less radically different ideas as to how things and people should be, yet somehow living in peace in the EU and its laws which they probably don't even give a shit about.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50458576]Well yeah alright, they have to commit a crime first. Plan for murder or smth. (@Isak) But it still doesn't really sound like a good idea to have bunch of Muslims around with more or less radically different ideas as to how things and people should be, yet somehow living in peace in the EU and its laws which they probably don't even give a shit about.[/QUOTE] How would you go about seperating the ones who are radically different and refuse to change, from the ones who have already integrated, are in the process of integrating, or will integrate in the future?

[QUOTE=pkhzor;50457837]You're joking, right? Snowden, Assange. Oh, and you can't say anything bad about refugees/muslims in general when it comes to Facebook in Germany. People have gotten into shit for thoughtcrimes such as 'Islam is filth' 'Fuck the mooslims' type of posts while these guys are happily involved(suspected) in terrorist plots to possibly murder other people yet they get treated real gingerly. How about the government sends a mesasge and starts arresting everyone with a hint of extremism related to the middle-east instead of arresting and scaring their own populace out of having any negative opinions regarding the refugees.[/QUOTE] I don't think you have the first clue about what kind of stuff people expressed that got them into trouble