It seems like a crazy idea but just look at it... A crazy man with a beard walks around the middle east for 30 years preforming unexplainable miracles and preaching insane things about heaven and a god to hundreds of thousands of people, and a lot more of weird things, who then gets killed but just floats out of his grave and leaves the planet. Alot of people wrote that these things actually happened, so assuming they did was jesus actually from here? My theory is that heaven is a planet with a civilization of advanced people and sent him to spread the word of whatever they think.. Call me crazy but it makes alot more sense than the "real" story.
What do you think?
[QUOTE=Jaks0;36450135]It seems like a crazy idea but just look at it... A crazy man with a beard walks around the middle east for 30 years preforming unexplainable miracles and preaching insane things about heaven and a god to hundreds of thousands of people, and a lot more of weird things, who then gets killed but just floats out of his grave and leaves the planet. Alot of people wrote that these things actually happened, so assuming they did was jesus actually from here? My theory is that heaven is a planet with a civilization of advanced people and sent him to spread the word of whatever they think.. Call me crazy but it makes alot more sense than the "real" story.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]
You may be in the wrong forum, most people don't believe in what you think the "real" story is around here. In fact, unless I am mistaken, most of the forum is atheist.
The bible was a book created by many different people over a large span of time. Theres really no way to explain other than the fact that it is all fake.
Also you just bought your self into a shit storm so prepare yourself.
he was a carpenter
end of story
[QUOTE=Mr mellow;36450157]You may be in the wrong forum, most people don't believe in what you think the "real" story is around here. In fact, unless I am mistaken, most of the forum is atheist.[/QUOTE]
I put real in quotes cause I don't think it is.. I don't have a religion but don't wanna be labeled as an atheist so my religious status is just confused..
So, what evidence do you have for this, minus the single and somewhat unreliable source that consists of most of the New Testament?
The silly thing is that this theory DOES make more sense than the "real" story.
The silly thing is the OP is an atheist buy is afraid of being judged by his peers so he calls himself "confused". That's the worst part.
Jesus was a normal guy and the Bible took his life and made it fantastical so they could further the religion they were creating.
[QUOTE=darnok;36450255]The silly thing is that this theory DOES make more sense than the "real" story.[/QUOTE]
That's not saying much, it doesn't take a scholar to write a story more probable than the bible.
jesus was not the only "miracle" doer in those times, there were many messiahs, and many had lots of followers like jesus they even were said to have performed "miracles" such as raising the dead and healing the ill and wounded.
also being an Atheist, I find your theory a lot more plausible than the "bible" story.
You do know that effectively zero historical evidence exists for Jesus, and that early Christianity was horribly fragmented and overlapped Judaism in the Roman Empire, and that the earliest iteration of what we recognise as the Catholic Church did not appear for centuries?
I.e the bible and your "Theory" are based off myth and legend created centuries after it supposedly happened in one of the most well recorded eras in history.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36450343]The silly thing is the OP is an atheist buy is afraid of being judged by his peers so he calls himself "confused". That's the worst part.
Jesus was a normal guy and the Bible took his life and made it fantastical so they could further the religion they were creating.[/QUOTE]
Actually their all atheists who yell at their moms for believing god so I don't want anything to do with that
Apparently the only evidence of Jesus is from the Bible. Their is no evidence in Roman history of Jesus, you would expect their is if he was such a big thing
[QUOTE=Jaks0;36450435]Actually their all atheists who yell at their moms for believing god so I don't want anything to do with that[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make it right. You're not only stereotyping all atheists based on the actions of the few you know, [b]and[/b] claiming to be "confused" when the only reason you say that is because you don't want to be considered a bad kid by the parents of certain bad kids who happen to be atheists. You need to learn to differentiate yourself from the bias you create for yourself. If you don't believe in god, don't go out and say you're "confused" because you're not. You're afraid people will judge you. That's alright, because people sometimes do judge, but from my experience, people get over that, and as long as you're not an asshole, you'll make and keep friends even after "coming out." Point is, not everyone thinks all atheists are little punks who yell at their moms, and you need to stop pretending you're something you're not just because you're afraid of what some people will think of you, even when I have tons of friends who know I'm an atheist and they don't care.
Jesus was simultaneously God and entirely Human. In answering your question, Yes he was as well as no he wasn't
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;36450695]Jesus was simultaneously God and entirely Human. In answering your question, Yes he was as well as no he wasn't[/QUOTE]
Assuming that the Bible is credible in any sense of the word.
[QUOTE=download;36450587]Apparently the only evidence of Jesus is from the Bible. Their is no evidence in Roman history of Jesus, you would expect their is if he was such a big thing[/QUOTE]
Wrong, the Roman/Jewish historian Titus Flavius Josephus wrote of Jesus in his book [I]"Antiquities of the Jews"[/I]
[editline]23rd June 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36450720]Assuming that the Bible is credible in any sense of the word.[/QUOTE]
Ignoring the religious side to the Bible, it is a great source of information in interpreting archaeological sites found in and around Israel which are assumed to be from the dates and events the bible records
Precisely. It's a pure fallacy to say that there is no historical evidence for the existence of Jesus of Nazareth. He is directly referenced in Flavius Josephus and in Tacitus, while Pliny the Younger mentions the persecution of Christ-worshipping Christians. So too the New Testament is obvious evidence for Jesus's existence (if not for his divinity). Say what you like about Jesus as the son of God, but it's now mostly implausible to argue that he never existed, and Christianity was simply invented (and by who? why? Are we supposed to believe that early Christianity simply appeared out of no-where?).
The argument is not whether Jesus existed, I'm fairly certain most people realize that he existed, as he's pretty well documented, but whether he was of this planet. This can be taken two ways:
A. Was Jesus an extraterrestrial being from another planet with advanced technology that was seen as miracles.?
B. Was Jesus descended from Heaven as the son of God (and as God himself) to sacrifice himself to save humanity?
[b] C. Or, was Jesus merely a large player in the development of Christianity as a religion following the persecution of Christians by Rome and in no way was any form of deity. Rather, Jesus was just a carpenter who spread the word of Christianity and the Bible twisted real events into that which would further its purpose.[/b]
C is pretty logical in comparison to the first two choices.
I'm not well versed in first century history, but I think it's entirely possible for Jesus, the man, to have existed. He was a carpenter that became a prophet, and got executed, becoming a martyr and holy symbol of Christianity.
Yes, he was from Wonderland.
[QUOTE=Edthefirst;36450967]I'm not well versed in first century history, but I think it's entirely possible for Jesus, the man, to have existed. He was a carpenter that became a prophet, and got executed, becoming a martyr and holy symbol of Christianity.[/QUOTE]
If he did, he must have been extremely obscure or changed his name.
No records from that time from pretty much anyone records anything about Jesus.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36451151]If he did, he must have been extremely obscure or changed his name.
No records from that time from pretty much anyone records anything about Jesus.[/QUOTE]
They do, actually. Flavius Josephus, Tacitus, and others.
[QUOTE=Jaks0;36450190]I don't have a religion but don't wanna be labeled as an atheist[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w8dKOqLDLQ[/url]
You are a model coward, you need to get your compass right before you can overcome intellectual problems such as superstition and self-indulgent ego boosting. Implicit atheism doesn't help you. You need to become an [I]explicit[/I] atheist. (The difference is that explicit atheists are conscious of their disbelief and actively promoting atheism). Only then can you find the answer that was requested by the thread title.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;36451204][URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w8dKOqLDLQ[/URL]
You are a model coward, you need to get your compass right before you can overcome intellectual problems such as superstition and self-indulgent ego boosting. Implicit atheism doesn't help you. You need to become an [I]explicit[/I] atheist. (The difference is that explicit atheists are conscious of their disbelief and actively promoting atheism). Only then can you find the answer that was requested by the thread title.[/QUOTE]
if being an atheist means i have to identify with people like the amazing atheist then i'd rather tell people i'm just non-religious.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36450934]
C. Or, was Jesus merely a large player in the development of Christianity as a religion following the persecution of Christians by Rome and in no way was any form of deity. Rather, Jesus was just a carpenter who spread the word of Christianity and the Bible twisted real events into that which would further its purpose.
C is pretty logical in comparison to the first two choices.[/QUOTE]
Jesus didn't spread the word of Christianity, his disciples did, nor was he in anyway involved with the development of Christianity beyond his teachings precipitating a religion to form around him. I have no idea where you are getting this from so I am going to presume you are speculating, which means you are being totally irrelevant to the topic. This whole argument rests upon if you believe that he was God or not, not speculation about the bibles interpretations of Jesus
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[QUOTE=ScottyWired;36451204][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w8dKOqLDLQ[/url]
You are a model coward, you need to get your compass right before you can overcome intellectual problems such as superstition and self-indulgent ego boosting. Implicit atheism doesn't help you. You need to become an [I]explicit[/I] atheist. (The difference is that explicit atheists are conscious of their disbelief and actively promoting atheism). Only then can you find the answer that was requested by the thread title.[/QUOTE]
Your literally not allowed to be an atheist until you start promoting it?
If the debate is whether or not he was God, then the argument is over. There is no logical reason to believe Jesus was anything more than a human. There is no discussion, because to imply that Jesus was the son of God is to defy any sort of logical and scientific argument.
[QUOTE=Jaks0;36450135]It seems like a crazy idea but just look at it... A crazy man with a beard walks around the middle east for 30 years preforming unexplainable miracles and preaching insane things about heaven and a god to hundreds of thousands of people, and a lot more of weird things, who then gets killed but just floats out of his grave and leaves the planet. Alot of people wrote that these things actually happened, so assuming they did was jesus actually from here? My theory is that heaven is a planet with a civilization of advanced people and sent him to spread the word of whatever they think.. Call me crazy but it makes alot more sense than the "real" story.
What do you think?[/QUOTE]
You're in the wrong place man.
Also if in your mind the only two options are Jesus was an alien, and that shit all happened then I'm sorry to inform you but you have one issue staring you in the face:
It never happened.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;36450367]You do know that effectively zero historical evidence exists for Jesus, and that early Christianity was horribly fragmented and overlapped Judaism in the Roman Empire, and that the earliest iteration of what we recognise as the Catholic Church did not appear for centuries?
I.e the bible and your "Theory" are based off myth and legend created centuries after it supposedly happened in one of the most well recorded eras in history.[/QUOTE]
Actually, there were a few other historical accounts, and the writing style concerning Jesus does indicate that Jesus really existed, or so my Comparative History of Religions class taught me. The miracles, though, were probably added in afterwards. I'm fuzzy on the details, but I do remember being surprised on that. I may be able to dig out my notes if you want them.
There were hundreds of Messiahs, there was actually a guy from like the next town over who reputedly done the same shit as Jesus.
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