[QUOTE]NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Gun sales are up in the wake of Barack Obama's re-election on Tuesday, driven by fears of tighter regulations under a Democratic president, especially for firearms that might be classified as assault weapons.
"Sales are up," said John Kielbasa, owner of Fernwood Firearms in Hankins, N.Y. "I had a guy waiting here first thing in the morning [after the election.] He came in, bought two AK-47s."
Kielbasa said that he sells semiautomatic versions of the fully automatic Kalashnikov rifles, as is permitted by law. He said the demand for semiautomatic rifles is being stoked by memories of the assault weapon ban pioneered by another Democrat, former President Bill Clinton.
That ban, which expired in 2004, didn't eliminate the weapons entirely, but restricted their features, limiting magazine capacity to 10 rounds and regulating pistol grips, bayonet attachments and flash suppressors.
Lawrence Keane, vice president of gun industry group National Shooting Sports Foundation, says that modern sporting rifles -- a term that he prefers to assault weapons -- are "the most popular type of rifles being bought today by Americans." He says they're used by hunters, target shooters, veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan, and citizens who want to protect their property from looters in the wake of recent storms.
Fears that a ban on the weapons might come back under Democratic leadership drove gun enthusiasts to buy firearms when Obama was first elected in 2008. The most reliable way to track the number of gun sales is via background checks, and they spiked after the last election.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation conducted 97,848 firearms background checks on Nov. 28, 2008, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation. That's the third-highest number of background checks ever recorded in a single day. The FBI conducted 12.7 million background checks during all of 2008, compared to 11.2 million the year before. They've been climbing ever since.
"It's going to be good for me for business," said Kielbasa, who specializes in "tactical firearms," according to his web site. "But eventually, if they're going to ban all this stuff, what am I going to sell?"
Gun shop owners say that, though it's too early to get an accurate count of sales for this week, they've definitely increased. Kielbasa says one of the distributors he works with had an unusually large order of 500 rifles this week. Other shop owners anticipate a bump in sales.
"We are expecting an increase with the amount of calls we're getting [from customers]," said Tim Smith of Tim's Guns and Range in Winter Haven, Fla. "A lot of dealers are stocking up with the expectation of a sales increase"
Bill Anderson, owner of the gun shop Call-To-Arms in Denton, Texas, said the big spike will probably hit full force this weekend. He said that gun enthusiasts are assuming that Obama will be more aggressive about gun regulations in his second term.
"Being as this is his second and last term, he might do it, because he's not interested in getting re-elected," said Anderson.
Obama had largely avoided the issue of gun control during his first term, despite some high-profile mass murders by mentally unstable gunmen in crowded, public places. In one of the most notorious mass shootings, suspect James Holmes allegedly shot at least 70 people, including 12 fatally, during a July screening of The Dark Night Rises in a Colorado movie theater. As part of his four-gun arsenal, the self-described "Joker" allegedly used a semiautomatic rifle with a 100-round drum, which can be legally purchased online. The Clinton-era assault weapon ban would not have permitted the sale of a magazine with such a large capacity.
Although recent mass shootings brought the gun debate back to the forefront, little has actually been done about it. But during the Oct. 16 presidential debate, the moderator, CNN's Candy Crowley, asked Obama to clarify his past statements about keeping AK-47s "out of the hands of criminals."
And the president answered with his most definitive gun control statement in years.
"I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets," replied Obama. "And so what I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced."
Obama's 2012 re-election already had an immediate impact on gun-related stocks, driving up shares of manufacturers like Smith & Wesson (SWHC) and Sturm, Ruger (RGR), as well as retailers like Cabela's (CAB) and Big 5 Sporting Goods (BGFV).
Keane said that future restrictions on these weapons could be tighter than the Clinton-era ban.
"We would fully expect the ban to be more far-reaching, and more comprehensive and a further infringement of the second amendment rights of law abiding Americans," he said.
But implementing such a ban would be difficult for Obama. The bill would have to pass through the Republican-controlled House before it made it to a Democrat-controlled Senate.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE]John Kielbasa[/QUOTE]
Liking the last name.
I really don't get why people keep going "hurr durr, Obama's gonna take our guns". Just because he's democratic doesn't mean that he hates guns and wants to ban them with every fiber of his body.
[QUOTE=tier56;38403941]I really don't get why people keep going "hurr durr, Obama's gonna take our guns". Just because he's democratic doesn't mean that he hates guns and wants to ban them with every fiber of his body.[/QUOTE]
He says he's for another assault weapons ban and this is his last 4 years, so if he wanted to do it now would be the time.
People are worried that he'll reinstate the AWB for another ten or permanently.
[QUOTE=tier56;38403941]I really don't get why people keep going "hurr durr, Obama's gonna take our guns". Just because he's democratic doesn't mean that he hates guns and wants to ban them with every fiber of his body.[/QUOTE]
[quote]"I also share your belief that weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets," replied Obama. "And so what I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced."[/quote]
My friends were talking about how the price of an AK doubled here. Damn ridiculous. When Obama was elected the first time we had an ammo shortage as well.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;38403976][/QUOTE]
Except the fact is that weapons designed for soldiers are not semi automatic Mr. President. (Referring to the AK and M4/16 Series)
Anyway, tightening background checks on who can get guns is better than reinstating an assault weapons ban, especially when compact handguns are the weapon most used in violent crimes.
Democrats getting elected tend to see a spike in price and sales on gun related stuff. It happened when Obama was first elected too, iirc.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;38403976]-quote about assault weapons-[/QUOTE]
I can tell you right now an assault weapon ban will have zero effect on crime/violence. Their definitions are far too broad; the last one included pistol grips and bayonet lugs. Pistol grips don't magically make guns more deadly and there is no criminal who would ever hold up a 7-11 with a rifle/bayonet combination.
Americans are to damn gun crazy. It's not a big deal if guns get banned. You'll be just like pretty much every other country. I say this not because having the right to bare arms causes nut jobs and shootings. That's just stupid. I say it because American's get to obsessed with them. Who gives a rats ass if they make you have a license to own one. Oh no you won't be allowed to carry your beloved 44 Magnum with you to a nice family dinner in case that .0001% chance someone tries to mug you and your family. It's just dumb.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;38403952]He says he's for another assault weapons ban and this is his last 4 years, so if he wanted to do it now would be the time.[/QUOTE]
This is what I really don't understand. Assault weapons are rarely ever used in crimes, and yet politicians are always trying to ban them.
The assault weapon ban literally had no effect on the crime-rate and only hurt law-abiding citizens.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;38404047]It's not a big deal if guns get banned. [/QUOTE]
Except that it would be since it's in the constitution, FYI.
There is also a rumor going around that a multi-billion dollar obama supporter is buying up all the firearms companies like Marlin and Bushmaster that is also causing this sell off in fear of a complete disruption of manufacture.
Though I only have one source on this and it may not be a good one.
[QUOTE=Siminov;38404065]There is also a rumor going around that a multi-billion dollar obama supporter is buying up all the firearms companies like Marlin and Bushmaster that is also causing this sell off in fear of a complete disruption of manufacture.
Though I only have one source on this and it may not be a good one.[/QUOTE]
Someone buying Marlin [I]and[/I] Bushmaster? Oh, we'd hear news about that.
Obama must be the best thing to happen to gun companies.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38404078]Someone buying Marlin [I]and[/I] Bushmaster? Oh, we'd hear news about that.[/QUOTE]
I don't know if this is a reputable source, but there are many things that pass because of media bias.
[url]http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/05/16/who-is-buying-american-firearms-companies-why/[/url]
[url]http://www.usacarry.com/forums/firearm-politics-2nd-amendment-issues/26059-marlin-firearms-bought-out-george-soros.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Siminov;38404065]There is also a rumor going around that a multi-billion dollar obama supporter is buying up all the firearms companies like Marlin and Bushmaster that is also causing this sell off in fear of a complete disruption of manufacture.
Though I only have one source on this and it may not be a good one.[/QUOTE]
It probably isn't.
We can also blame the NRA being a loud mouthed child and spouting nonsense about Obama taking away guns.
[editline]11th November 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Siminov;38404090]I don't know if this is a reputable source, but there are many things that pass because of media bias.
[url]http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/05/16/who-is-buying-american-firearms-companies-why/[/url][/QUOTE]
Simi, I don't want to call you out on this, but that site is a crock of shit and it's for paranoid conspiracy nuts.
[img]http://puu.sh/1oRER[/img]
Survivalism, I'm sort of okay with, as long as no-one takes it too seriously.
But New World Order? [I]Really?[/I]
Well, he's helping to stimulate the economy, I guess.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;38404047]Americans are to damn gun crazy. It's not a big deal if guns get banned. You'll be just like pretty much every other country. I say this not because having the right to bare arms causes nut jobs and shootings. That's just stupid. I say it because American's get to obsessed with them. Who gives a rats ass if they make you have a license to own one. Oh no you won't be allowed to carry your beloved 44 Magnum with you to a nice family dinner in case that .0001% chance someone tries to mug you and your family. It's just dumb.[/QUOTE]
'Merica enjoys a little idea called freedom.
[QUOTE=Nikota;38404092]It probably isn't.
We can also blame the NRA being a loud mouthed child and spouting nonsense about Obama taking away guns.
[editline]11th November 2012[/editline]
Simi, I don't want to call you out on this, but that site is a crock of shit and it's for paranoid conspiracy nuts.
[img]http://puu.sh/1oRER[/img][/QUOTE]
I assumed such, I did say it wasn't a reputable source and a rumor, so I am not backing that story with my life, I just find it a bit alarming.
Though I am seeing it pop up on more gun forums that George Soros (who owns progressive insurance) did buy up Remington and Marlin. Who knows.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;38404047]Americans are to damn gun crazy. It's not a big deal if guns get banned. You'll be just like pretty much every other country. I say this not because having the right to bare arms causes nut jobs and shootings. That's just stupid. I say it because American's get to obsessed with them. Who gives a rats ass if they make you have a license to own one. Oh no you won't be allowed to carry your beloved 44 Magnum with you to a nice family dinner in case that .0001% chance someone tries to mug you and your family. It's just dumb.[/QUOTE]
I'd be fine with using a permit system if it didn't take months to get my permit and I didn't have to renew it every year for hundreds of dollars. Gun ownership is just like any other hobby. Archery and cars are no different.
[QUOTE=RudeMcRude;38404047]Americans are to damn gun crazy. It's not a big deal if guns get banned. You'll be just like pretty much every other country. I say this not because having the right to bare arms causes nut jobs and shootings. That's just stupid. I say it because American's get to obsessed with them. Who gives a rats ass if they make you have a license to own one. Oh no you won't be allowed to carry your beloved 44 Magnum with you to a nice family dinner in case that .0001% chance someone tries to mug you and your family. It's just dumb.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
[QUOTE=Siminov;38404115]I assumed such, I did say it wasn't a reputable source and a rumor, so I am not backing that story with my life, I just find it a bit alarming.[/QUOTE]
WND or ThinkProgress are something you might doubt the reliability of, ones that are just a step above lizard men and Timecube are a bit worse.
Remember the law that abolished gun ownership back when Obama get elected? I strangely don't.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;38404175]Timecube [/QUOTE]
How dare you insult Timecube. Timecube is knowledge.
I would love me a gun at home, it would give me sense of security. But that is false. Guns only lead to deaths. It is statistically proven that countries with more guns in the households have more deaths due to use of lethal weapons. Where I live now I would not want a gun at all to be honest.
I like guns, I would love to have one and practice shooting at a shooting range or something, but they only cause damage. You just need to look at the big picture.
[QUOTE=junker|154;38404256] Guns only lead to deaths. [/QUOTE]
Mine haven't, just saying.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38404078]Someone buying Marlin [I]and[/I] Bushmaster? Oh, we'd hear news about that.[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.freedom-group.com/"]Freedom Group[/URL]
They own Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS/Panther Arms, Marlin, H&R, The Parker Gun, Mountain Khakis, Advanced Armament Corp, Dakota Arms, Para USA and Barnes Bullets.
They acquired Tapco last week as well.
[QUOTE=Nikota;38404092]Simi, I don't want to call you out on this, but that site is a crock of shit and it's for paranoid conspiracy nuts.
[thumb]http://puu.sh/1oRER[/thumb][/QUOTE]
White trash news.
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