America pushes China's button - Polidicks

[quote] On Friday, the US state department said the 24th anniversary of the "violent suppression of demonstrations in Tiananmen Square" prompted it to remember this "tragic loss of innocent lives". "We renew our call for the Chinese government to end harassment of those who participated in the protests and fully account for those killed, detained or missing," the statement added. "We renew our call for China to protect the universal human rights of all its citizens; release those who have been wrongfully detained, prosecuted, incarcerated, forcibly disappeared or placed under house arrest; and end the ongoing harassment of human rights activists and their families." On Saturday, Mr Hong warned Washington not to make "groundless accusations". "We urge the US side to discard political prejudice, correctly treat China's development, immediately rectify its wrongdoings and stop interfering in China's internal affairs so as not to sabotage China-US relations," he said in a statement carried by the Xinhua state news agency.[/quote] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22744242"]**Source**[/URL]

This should end well

I bet that China brings up some human atrocity we did as a response.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;40870678]I bet that China brings up some human atrocity we did as a response.[/QUOTE] They very well should do that, my government is being hypocritical with China.

They'll probably hack our networks again.

The 24th anniversary prompted them? Shit, there's nothing special about the 24th anniversary of anything. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure this just going to be forgotten by next week. Sadly.

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;40870758]The 24th anniversary prompted them? Shit, there's nothing special about the 24th anniversary of anything. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure this just going to be forgotten by next week. Sadly.[/QUOTE] It's just the anniversary in general, people always bring it up this time of year and China always works harder to deny it.

"Stop it guys you're making us look bad"

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;40870758]The 24th anniversary prompted them? Shit, there's nothing special about the 24th anniversary of anything. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure this just going to be forgotten by next week. Sadly.[/QUOTE]I have a funny feeling that this is more of a jab/retaliation at China because of their recent hackings: [url]http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/28/18567413-officials-downplay-report-on-china-hacking-military-secrets?lite[/url]

[QUOTE=Charades;40870704]They very well should do that, my government is being hypocritical with China.[/QUOTE] the united states' atrocities are, while inexcusable, pale in comparison to that of the chinese govt.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40870766]It's just the anniversary in general, people always bring it up this year and [B]China always works harder to deny it[/B].[/QUOTE] Which is genuinely sad. [editline]2nd June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Charades;40870704]They very well should do that, my government is being hypocritical with China.[/QUOTE] At least we don't deny our atrocities.

[QUOTE=FinalHunter;40870592]Fuck yes US State Department. I'm not kidding, I'm glad to see SOMEONE standing up for what's right when 99.9% of the people in this world just bitch and whine without doing anything about it. I just hope they don't back down after making this call for China to do the right thing.[/QUOTE] Actually, I wouldn't mind any country but the USA pointing this out. If only because of all the horrible underhanded shit they've pulled in other countries and even at home, and because it's disgusting to see them try to take the moral high ground after that.

[QUOTE=Aurora93;40870885]the united states' atrocities are, while inexcusable, pale in comparison to that of the chinese govt.[/QUOTE] Genocide and slavery would have a tough time shrinking away from most atrocities.

[QUOTE=Aurora93;40870885]the united states' atrocities are, while inexcusable, pale in comparison to that of the chinese govt.[/QUOTE] no the united states is just better at pr and manipulating the system. we have a system of suppression and oppression similar to china's. the difference is that we are better are doing it with subtlety and it is the "third world" we exploit for profit. [editline]2nd June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;40870916]Actually, I wouldn't mind any country but the USA pointing this out. If only because of all the horrible underhanded shit they've pulled in other countries and even at home, and because it's disgusting to see them try to take the moral high ground after that.[/QUOTE] any country in the first world can't point fingers at china.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40870952]no the united states is just better at pr and manipulating the system. we have a system of suppression and oppression similar to china's. the difference is that we are better are doing it with subtlety and it is the "third world" we exploit for profit. [editline]2nd June 2013[/editline] any country in the first world can't point fingers at china.[/QUOTE] What? Specific events that violate human rights with very few systematized oppression are completely different from what China has, which is an entire government with a boner for oppression, no free speech, shit like that. We are NOTHING like China. But I'm sure you're oppressed on a daily basis by our evil fascist government...oh wait...you aren't at all.

[t]http://melaniekillingervowell.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/man-tiananmen-square.png?w=364&h=229[/t] from wikipedia The government of the People's Republic of China has made few statements about the incident or the people involved. In a 1990 interview with Barbara Walters, then-CPC General Secretary Jiang Zemin was asked what became of the man. Jiang first stated (through an interpreter), "I can't confirm whether this young man you mentioned was arrested or not," and then replied in English, "I think...never killed" do i need to say more?

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[QUOTE=nickohlus;40870930]Genocide and slavery would have a tough time shrinking away from most atrocities.[/QUOTE] Dude. While that happened in most places, if you want to point at genocide point at Belgium. We also got out of it extremely early in our history. Only three generations in.

china has come a long way since then but they still have not addressed anything about their human rights violations, and now with a massive middle class, the massive disparity between the poor and the rich, china is rife for another protest

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40870963]What? Specific events that violate human rights with very few systematized oppression are completely different from what China has, which is an entire government with a boner for oppression, no free speech, shit like that. We are NOTHING like China. But I'm sure you're oppressed on a daily basis by our evil fascist government...oh wait...you aren't at all.[/QUOTE] oppression comes in many forms. ours happens to come with a smile and a price-tag. not to mention any comfort we feel in the usa comes from the brutal exploitation of people in places like china.

[QUOTE=Charades;40870704]They very well should do that, my government is being hypocritical with China.[/QUOTE] Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to stop it.

we let other states oppress their people for us.

[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;40870888] At least we don't deny our atrocities.[/QUOTE] Your government just never seems to acknowledge them, which is nearly just as bad.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40871010]oppression comes in many forms. ours happens to come with a smile and a price-tag. not to mention any comfort we feel in the usa comes from the brutal exploitation of people in places like china.[/QUOTE] Oh so you're the type that thinks you're oppressed because of capitalism and our imposed importance on goods? That's not oppression, being able to buy anything you want in order to garner entertainment or use from those products is the exact DEFINITION of freedom. You can argue that corporations do shady things, and the government is affected by that as a result, but that is nowhere near as bad as a systematized government that censors every form of media it has, murders people based on their beliefs, and really never answers for its crimes.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40871047]Oh so you're the type that thinks you're oppressed because of capitalism and our imposed importance on goods? That's not oppression, being able to buy anything you want in order to garner entertainment or use from those products is the exact DEFINITION of freedom. You can argue that corporations do shady things, and the government is affected by that as a result, but that is nowhere near as bad as a systematized government that censors every form of media it has, murders people based on their beliefs, and really never answers for its crimes.[/QUOTE] to be forced into slavery in order to survive, is that freedom? in the american system you have one freedom above all else, the freedom to sell yourself. failing that, the american system grants you your next freedom: the freedom to die.

You have the freedom to almost literally do anything you want, you can believe anything you want, and as long as you're not breaking the completely coherent and logical rules imposed to keep order in our society, you can preach it any way you want. The fact that you have the ability to literally almost do anything you want (name a few things you can't do that you should definitely be able to do) is I suppose the reason why you've come to the conclusion that you're oppressed, because you're completely ignorant of the harshness of other countries that aren't as free as our's. [editline]1st June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;40871074]to be forced into slavery in order to survive, is that freedom? in the american system you have one freedom above all else, the freedom to sell yourself. failing that, the american system grants you your next freedom: the freedom to die.[/QUOTE] You aren't forced into slavery, you can be unemployed, you have literally every right to do so, and in fact our government will attempt to support you so you DON'T DIE, our society as well attempts to support people who are unemployed and can't support themselves. Might I add that having to work to survive is common of EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY THAT HAS LITERALLY EVER EXISTED. That is a basic law of economics, resources are scarce, so they need to be partitioned based on something, and that used to be labor, now replaced by currency that is typically the result of labor. [editline]1st June 2013[/editline] It would be ridiculous to think that you should be able to get every resource that you need without working for it, that's just not how a finite amount of resources can be partitioned, you need to do your part, society is a team effort, being able to live is a struggle, we have it a lot easier than most other countries (especially 3rd world countries). And anyway, life in nature is a struggle, you need to work to survive, and this carries over, but we have it so much easier than you even know. Honestly I'm not really sure about you, slavery referring to employment I've assumed, how is being paid money in order to buy your basic needs plus (typically) entertainment goods and things that increase your happiness slavery?

[QUOTE=Aurora93;40870885]the united states' atrocities are, while inexcusable, pale in comparison to that of the chinese govt.[/QUOTE] They're also far more public about it compared to China.

[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;40871085]You have the freedom to almost literally do anything you want, you can believe anything you want, and as long as you're not breaking the completely coherent and logical rules imposed to keep order in our society, you can preach it any way you want. The fact that you have the ability to literally almost do anything you want (name a few things you can't do that you should definitely be able to do) is I suppose the reason why you've come to the conclusion that you're oppressed, because you're completely ignorant of the harshness of other countries that aren't as free as our's.[/quote] you have freedom to do literally whatever you want as long as it isn't something that the state finds questionable(like protesting or self-sufficiency, for example). [quote]You aren't forced into slavery, you can be unemployed, you have literally every right to do so, and in fact our government will attempt to support you so you DON'T DIE, our society as well attempts to support people who are unemployed and can't support themselves. Might I add that having to work to survive is common of EVERY SINGLE SOCIETY THAT HAS LITERALLY EVER EXISTED. That is a basic law of economics, resources are scarce, so they need to be partitioned based on something, and that used to be labor, now replaced by currency that is typically the result of labor.[/QUOTE] i'm not against work, i'm against wage-slavery. the wage system should be abolished and goods shouldn't be distributed based on private ownership. labor should be there to emancipate and empower humanity, not force us into cubicles where we are rented for most of the day to give our profit to another person.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;40871074]to be forced into slavery in order to survive, is that freedom? in the american system you have one freedom above all else, the freedom to sell yourself. failing that, the american system grants you your next freedom: the freedom to die.[/QUOTE] Where the hell do [i]you[/i] work, man? Applebees?

[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;40871039]Your government just never seems to acknowledge them, which is nearly just as bad.[/QUOTE] Ignoring a question vs. detaining and executing people for asking them, yeah that's definitely nearly as bad.