Apple iPhone event on September 10th is official

[wickedplayer494]

[url]http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/3/4689266/apple-iphone-event-september-10th-official[/url]

[quote=The Verge]Apple is ready to unveil its next-generation iPhone hardware on September 10th. After weeks of speculation and a rumored launch next week, the company has just mailed out invitations to an event in San Francisco on September 10th. The Verge will be there covering the event live, with minute-by-minute updates on everything and anything announced.

Months of rumors point towards two new iPhones this year: an iPhone 5S and iPhone 5C. If the leaks and rumors are accurate, then the iPhone 5S may feature a fingerprint sensor for device security, a 12- or 13-megapixel camera with dual-LED flash, and a gold-colored variant. The next traditional iPhone flagship device looks like it will retain a similar design to the existing iPhone 5. The big surprise at next week's event could be an entirely new iPhone 5C device. Rumored as a plastic low-cost option available in multiple colors, a number of leaks have suggested it will be branded iPhone 5C with the C presumably standing for color. Any new iPad additions are expected to launch at a separate event, similar to how Apple introduced the iPad mini last year.[/quote]

[Panda X]

Did they ever fix the issues with the new UI like the icon labels not having a drop shadow to prevent the loss of readability with a light background?

[matty928]

I'm more interested in the new IOS7 Tbh,and when I can jailbreak it...otherwise my ipad will be useless.

[nigerianprince]

I'll be excited to see if they can actually come up with something that is technologically groundbreaking for a smartphone (i.e. OLED/AMOLED, large screen, good technical specs etc)... but I'm also inclined to believe it'll be yet another sideways upgrade with Apple 'playing it safe' like they did with the 5 in the first place.

If it isn't a serious upgrade, I'm willing to bet their market share will seriously start dropping off.

[Funcoot]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42064879]I'll be excited to see if they can actually come up with something that is technologically groundbreaking for a smartphone (i.e. OLED/AMOLED, large screen, good technical specs etc)... but I'm also inclined to believe it'll be yet another sideways upgrade with Apple 'playing it safe' like they did with the 5 in the first place.

If it isn't a serious upgrade, I'm willing to bet their market share will seriously start dropping off.[/QUOTE]

Doesn't the iPhones use the retina displays? They aren't "technologically ground breaking" anymore, but neither are AMOLED and OLED displays. Also, Apple's game was never playing cat and mouse with PC and technological advances, it has always been on the end of user interface and intuitive design.

That being said, the iPhone has obviously lost it's smartphone dominance, and I don't see it regaining it anytime soon if ever.

[Lazzars]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42064879]I'll be excited to see if they can actually come up with something that is technologically groundbreaking for a smartphone (i.e. OLED/AMOLED, large screen, good technical specs etc)... but I'm also inclined to believe it'll be yet another sideways upgrade with Apple 'playing it safe' like they did with the 5 in the first place.

If it isn't a serious upgrade, I'm willing to bet their market share will seriously start dropping off.[/QUOTE]

We'll be looking at an iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c, neither being much of a change i imagine.

[Noss]

i wonder if it'll be different this time

[nigerianprince]

[QUOTE=Funcoot;42064997]Doesn't the iPhones use the retina displays? They aren't "technologically ground breaking" anymore, but neither are AMOLED and OLED displays. Also, Apple's game was never playing cat and mouse with PC and technological advances, it has always been on the end of user interface and intuitive design.

That being said, the iPhone has obviously lost it's smartphone dominance, and I don't see it regaining it anytime soon if ever.[/QUOTE]

AMOLED/OLED are pretty much the bee's knees when it comes to screens. If you wanted a desktop screen made from them you'd be looking at paying a lot of money. As far as I've seen there isn't anything better than them right now, and companies are still developing them into consumer/home technology.

Retina is a marketing term (its not an actual technology) that just states that the screen has a DPI higher than a certain threshold.

I'd much prefer a quality screen instead of a high resolution screen. The same way a shitty LCD with a high resolution really doesn't compare to one which has a low response rate, accurate colors and other features.

And yeah, it doesn't pride itself upon the most amazing technological points, but there has to come a point where a smaller phone is worse than a bigger phone. I've never found the interface that good, nor the build quality or reliability.

[RaccoonBro]

[QUOTE=Noss;42065015]i wonder if it'll be different this time[/QUOTE]

The #S phones have never been wildly different then the one before it. Expect something that will be mostly similar to the iPhone 5 with some improvements added to it.

[Funcoot]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42065064]AMOLED/OLED are pretty much the bee's knees when it comes to screens. If you wanted a desktop screen made from them you'd be looking at paying a lot of money. As far as I've seen there isn't anything better than them right now, and companies are still developing them into consumer/home technology.

Retina is a marketing term (its not an actual technology) that just states that the screen has a DPI higher than a certain threshold.

I'd much prefer a quality screen instead of a high resolution screen. The same way a shitty LCD with a high resolution really doesn't compare to one which has a low response rate, accurate colors and other features.

And yeah, it doesn't pride itself upon the most amazing technological points, but there has to come a point where a smaller phone is worse than a bigger phone. I've never found the interface that good, nor the build quality or reliability.[/QUOTE]

I'm not necessarily defending Apple and their iPhone. I had an iPhone 5; it was my first iPhone, I sold it after a few months and bought a Nexus 4 and a Wii U with the money instead. I understand AMOLED/OLED displays are a little more technologically ahead of Apple's displays, but at the end of the day in real world performance, I haven't really seen any particular AMOLED/OLED display that was noticeably nicer than the iPhone's, nor is the iPhone's any nicer than the top of the line Android displays.

And I will attest that, in my opinion, the interface and build quality on the iPhone was pretty nice. However, they just weren't for me. I think Apple just gets a bad rap now a days for being pricey and their past marketing decisions. Although, their "magic formula" is starting to show it's age. iOS has done nothing spectacularly new in the past few years, so most people with any amount of tech logic are starting to hop ship, even past Apple fan boys.

[The Baconator]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42065064]AMOLED/OLED are pretty much the bee's knees when it comes to screens. If you wanted a desktop screen made from them you'd be looking at paying a lot of money. As far as I've seen there isn't anything better than them right now, and companies are still developing them into consumer/home technology.

Retina is a marketing term (its not an actual technology) that just states that the screen has a DPI higher than a certain threshold.

I'd much prefer a quality screen instead of a high resolution screen. The same way a shitty LCD with a high resolution really doesn't compare to one which has a low response rate, accurate colors and other features.

And yeah, it doesn't pride itself upon the most amazing technological points, but there has to come a point where a smaller phone is worse than a bigger phone. I've never found the interface that good, nor the build quality or reliability.[/QUOTE]

The iPhone uses an IPS LCD, that's arguably the best screen possible with current technology. Yes even better than most OLED

[S31-Syntax]

Frankly I'm waiting for mobile phones to plateau in performance a bit before I upgrade. Maybe then they'll support the fucking thing and not obsolete it after 6 months.

[.Lain]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42065064]nor the build quality or reliability.[/QUOTE]
apple has some of the best build quality and customer service available by a long shot

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=The Baconator;42065187]The iPhone uses an IPS LCD, that's arguably the best screen possible with current technology. Yes even better than most OLED[/QUOTE]
better than pretty much every oled. very little phones compare to the quality of the iphone 5 screen

[ellistron]

they better not fix that recent text exploit, it's too good to lose

[.Lain]

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42065195]Frankly I'm waiting for mobile phones to plateau in performance a bit before I upgrade. Maybe then they'll support the fucking thing and not obsolete it after 6 months.[/QUOTE]
apple doesn't do this at all, the 3g even only lost support recently

[nigerianprince]

[QUOTE=Funcoot;42065182]I'm not necessarily defending Apple and their iPhone. I had an iPhone 5; it was my first iPhone, I sold it after a few months and bought a Nexus 4 and a Wii U with the money instead. I understand AMOLED/OLED displays are a little more technologically ahead of Apple's displays, but at the end of the day in real world performance, I haven't really seen any particular AMOLED/OLED display that was noticeably nicer than the iPhone's.

And I will attest that the, in my opinion, the interface and build quality on the iPhone was pretty nice. However, they just weren't for me. I think Apple just gets a bad rap now a days for being pricey and their past marketing decisions. Although, their "magic formula" is starting to show it's age. iOS has done nothing spectacularly new in the past few years, so most people with any amount of tech logic are starting to hop ship, even past Apple fan boys.[/QUOTE]

Well technologically an AMOLED/OLED screen can turn off unused pixels, so it could be engineered to dramatically save battery life (as to whether that actually translates to those phones being more efficient, I don't know).

Its a great phone for people who want an "all in one' solution that doesn't make complex shit available; but as soon as you want to do something that requires something that is slightly outside the OS you are pretty much fucked.

There are a few points that will make me never, ever purchase an iPhone:
-It really annoys me, that in 2013, Apple is content in producing a phone that is unable to export its contacts database en mass through email/zip file.
-The email client cannot open an .mpg file in 2013
-It requires iTunes for pretty much everything in 2013 (no USB mass storage device)
-Proprietary cables
-No physical back/menu button
-Seemingly dumbed down settings/options screens that hide some of the more technical options that other devices have.

So yeah, its great if you just live within the email client and the apps that are available, but as a technological powerhouse, it just doesn't work.

My Samsung Note (I snapped it in half when I got angry once, so now I have an S3) could connect to a DSLR and completely control the shutter/settings as well as preview the sensor picture for focus etc. iPhones cannot do the same thing.

[S31-Syntax]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42065225]apple doesn't do this at all, the 3g even only lost support recently[/QUOTE]

Thats cool and all, but my heart is closed to Apple.

Its nice to know they still support their older stuff though.

[Mors]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42065225]apple doesn't do this at all, the [B]3g[/B] even only lost support recently[/QUOTE]

Apple screwed most people over with the iPod touch 4. It's not getting iOS 7, and there was such short notice with the support drop that people would have got them merely 4-6 months before iOS 7 was first shown off.

The [B]3G[/B] lost support a long time ago, but the [B]3GS[/B] is only just losing support.

[.Lain]

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42065262]Thats cool and all, but my heart is closed to Apple.

Its nice to know they still support their older stuff though.[/QUOTE]
in fact most android phones lose support [I]far[/I] quicker than any apple device. google devices get support for longer but those are only a few devices in the literal hundreds of android devices

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065274]Apple screwed most people over with the iPod touch 4. It's not getting iOS 7, and there was such short notice with the support drop that people would have got them merely 4-6 months before iOS 7 was first shown off.

The [B]3G[/B] lost support a long time ago, but the [B]3GS[/B] is only just losing support.[/QUOTE]
because the 3gs has a far more powerful CPU. if apple put ios7 on a 3g literally everyone would be complaining about how slow it is (as if still using a 3g isn't dreadful enough).

[Mors]

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;42065262]Thats cool and all, but my heart is closed to Apple.

Its nice to know they still support their older stuff though.[/QUOTE]

My 2009 iPod touch (2G MC model) lost support within a year of having it. They didn't even bother supporting the device for the rest of iOS 4.

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42065276]in fact most android phones lose support [I]far[/I] quicker than any apple device. google devices get support for longer but those are only a few devices in the literal hundreds of android devices
[/QUOTE]
Android devices can be modded to hell and back so easily. Apple devices, not so much. (e.g. can't downgrade without SHSH blobs)

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42065276]
[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

because the 3gs has a far more powerful CPU[/QUOTE]

Yet it still has the same RAM as the iPod touch 3G which lost support at iOS 5 for no apparent reason, other than marketing.

[nigerianprince]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42065205]apple has some of the best build quality and customer service available by a long shot

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

better than pretty much every oled. very little phones compare to the quality of the iphone 5 screen[/QUOTE]

-non user serviceable battery
-miniature torx screws (that are easily torn to shreds)
-they seem to have a high incidence of broken screens (almost everyone I know has at least a full on shatter or a crack on their screen)
-you can't do anything with the phone in terms of backing up your data easily, or copying files to/from which makes customer service horrible

[.Lain]

at least apple leaves their devices in a relatively usable state :)

[nigerianprince]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42065276] because the 3gs has a far more powerful CPU. if apple put ios7 on a 3g literally everyone would be complaining about how slow it is (as if still using a 3g isn't dreadful enough).[/QUOTE]

Wasn't it proven that Apple basically restricted Facetime to newer phones just because they could and through no technological reason?

[.Lain]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42065302]-non user serviceable battery
-miniature torx screws (that are easily torn to shreds)
-they seem to have a high incidence of broken screens (almost everyone I know has at least a full on shatter or a crack on their screen)
-you can't do anything with the phone in terms of backing up your data easily, or copying files to/from which makes customer service horrible[/QUOTE]
that isn't build quality, that's hardware accessability. unrelated entirely
iphones have the same screen quality as any other high end device. they don't crack more often because it's pretty much the same

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42065324]Wasn't it proven that Apple basically restricted Facetime to newer phones just because they could and through no technological reason?[/QUOTE]

give me a source for that claim and i'll talk about it

[nigerianprince]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42065305]at least apple leaves their devices in a relatively usable state :)[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but being unable to export contacts from your phone in CSV/zip/email/whatever format at a moments notice is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

That makes the phone completely unusable for anyone who needs real access to their contacts.

[Mors]

[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42065330]they don't crack more often because it's pretty much the same[/QUOTE]

And yet I see more iPhone/iPod Touch owners with broken screens than any other device owner.

[.Lain]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42065343]Sorry, but being unable to export contacts from your phone in CSV/zip/email/whatever format at a moments notice is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

That makes the phone completely unusable for anyone who needs real access to their contacts.[/QUOTE]
there are plenty of applications that do that though. and i'm pretty sure icloud already backs up contacts

[editline]3rd September 2013[/editline]

[QUOTE=Mors Quaedam;42065352]And yet I see more iPhone/iPod Touch owners with broken screens than any other device owner.[/QUOTE]
because more people have those?
if far more people have x device rather than y of course x users are going to have more cracked screens. if you drop any modern phone the glass is probably going to crack.

[Mors]

[QUOTE=nigerianprince;42065343]Sorry, but being unable to export contacts from your phone in CSV/zip/email/whatever format at a moments notice is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

That makes the phone completely unusable for anyone who needs real access to their contacts.[/QUOTE]

Or exporting to the SIM.

The only place you can upload your stuff to is iCloud, which also lacks the ability to export.

[gahnoo]

[QUOTE=The Baconator;42065187]The iPhone uses an IPS LCD, that's arguably the best screen possible with current technology. Yes even better than most OLED[/QUOTE]

I have to say, the IPS display on my HTC one looks so much nicer than Samesungs over saturated, mis-calibrated and cheap pentile AMOLED panels.

[長門有希]

people always whine about iphone's retina being a gimmick, but i seriously find looking at an iphone's (and a windows phone's) screen more pleasant than looking at even a 1080p android screen

i guess it's some typography magic, but i don't know anything about that