So now that I'm in the market for my (first) car, I would like to take advantage of the collective knowledge of all of you car enthusiasts. I had my mind nearly made up on a mazda miata, up until i realized that having a convertible would ruin my plans. I love music, and i wanted to install a system later down the road. Convertibles are obviously very easy to break into, which makes that plan a no-go and reduces my willingness to purchase a miata. I know someone will say "Just buy a hardtop!". Hardtops are hard to find, cost alot, cost alot to install. I have thought about mustangs and the likes, but the horrible gas milage keeps me away from them.
I simply want a car that is enjoyable to drive. I am not happy with a honda civic, I have driven many, and driving them is like watching paint dry. I prefer rear wheel drive and good gas mileage.
Also i am not considering automatic at all.
And so my brethren, discuss!
Well, if your wanting a small newer small car that is not front wheel drive I think that might be a problem, unless you are wanting like.... lets say a Jeep or something. My first car was a 97 F-350 dually, so I mean me and you are total opposites, but it was a diesel so It got good fuel mileage, I can still help maybe. That seems to be the trend now though, little 4 cylinder jeeps, or the even more popular V6 Ford explorer.
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And I guess your driving skill could be taken into account. For instance can you drive standard, or would it have to be automatic? Could you work on it if you needed to(Older cars) you know that sort of things.
Why do people think anything less than 70 MPG is shit? The new 2011 mustangs get upwards of 35, that is not horrible in any way. My RX-7 got 16 from factory, and whatever it's at now is STILL good, i hardly ever have to fill up and i drive all the time. Once you get below 10 you can call it horrible. My k10 got around 4-5. 35 isn't shit.
Now to be fair, you probably cannot afford a brand new, 2011 car. But nontheless, most newer cars you can find will be fine on gas, until you start going either huge in size, or older vehicles.
[QUOTE=justin1992;31436992]Why do people think anything less than 70 MPG is shit?[/QUOTE]
no one thinks that
Toyota MR2? I don't know how good their MPG is, but with such a light car it should be pretty good.
I think he's referring to an older Mustang when he mentions shit MPG.
mustangs are worth it. my 95 gt gets around 20 if you don't drive with the gas pedal stuck to the floor. and on an all-highway tank i managed to get 25mpg
BMW 3-Series. Good gas mileage, rear-wheel drive, compact, handles like a dream, and manual transmissions are standard.
I'm talking about used cars from the 90's, if not clear.
Mustangs are alright but i would definitely prefer Japanese. My fathers ford has had many problems in it's short life, and he is a very controlled driver.
I was considering BMW, but the cost of parts and labor on a BMW is insane...
Okay, then. Its not Japanese but it is similar to the BMW and very well made, and very fuel efficient.
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[QUOTE=Lertez;31439440]Okay, then. Its not Japanese but it is similar to the BMW and very well made, and very fuel efficient.
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and unreliable and expensive to fix
[QUOTE=Penis Colada;31439606]and unreliable and expensive to fix[/QUOTE]
I don't know man, VWs seem to be pretty good most of the time.
[QUOTE=Lertez;31439950]I don't know man, VWs seem to be pretty good most of the time.[/QUOTE]
Everyone I've ever known who had a Jetta has had tons of problems that are all too expensive to fix
Oh, I didn't know that about a Jette. I was thinking more about VW, like with the beetle and the Thing.
[QUOTE=Lertez;31440245]Oh, I didn't know that about a Jette. I was thinking more about VW, like with the beetle and the Thing.[/QUOTE]
Well the Jetta is front wheel drive. Didn't he say he prefers rear?
First gen Mr2's are awesome little cars, definitely fun to drive. They might not have much room for stereo systems, but I have seen some pretty creative setups. Oh yeah... and you can pick them up pretty cheap also. Bought mine for 700 bucks and drove it home.
I've heard good things about second gen 2's, but it seems like a totally different car to me. Never had the chance to drive one though.
[QUOTE=TheMourge;31442337]Well the Jetta is front wheel drive. Didn't he say he prefers rear?[/QUOTE]
Yes, he did; but you never know if he would negotiate price with feature and so forth.
.....get what you can afford.......
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jesus christ don't buy a mustang.
just buy a 240sx.
the ka24 is easy to fix, reliable, and good on gas.
[QUOTE=Devon-M;31444725]jesus christ don't buy a mustang.
just buy a 240sx.
the ka24 is easy to fix, reliable, and good on gas.[/QUOTE]
ye dorifuto kawaii desu uugu
[QUOTE=Devon-M;31444725]jesus christ don't buy a mustang.
just buy a 240sx.
the ka24 is easy to fix, reliable, and good on gas.[/QUOTE]
KA24 and reliable in the same sentence
Must be new here
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[QUOTE=justin1992;31436992]Why do people think anything less than 70 MPG is shit? The new 2011 mustangs get upwards of 35, that is not horrible in any way. My RX-7 got 16 from factory, and whatever it's at now is STILL good, i hardly ever have to fill up and i drive all the time. Once you get below 10 you can call it horrible. My k10 got around 4-5. 35 isn't shit.
Now to be fair, you probably cannot afford a brand new, 2011 car. But nontheless, most newer cars you can find will be fine on gas, until you start going either huge in size, or older vehicles.[/QUOTE]
>16MPG
[i]How can you afford to drive that[/i]
My 30MPG rated CRX Si does alright but my Civic was getting about ~26MPG because the basemap was for a different fuel setup, and that kind of mileage was just brutal.
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My friend Jap's Civic is getting around that and it's killing him, and he makes about a grand a month and drives back and forth to school a lot.
[QUOTE=Saber15;31437394]Toyota MR2? I don't know how good their MPG is, but with such a light car it should be pretty good.
I think he's referring to an older Mustang when he mentions shit MPG.[/QUOTE]
I own the second gen MR2, a 1991 NA version. I get 25 - 30 mpg.
[QUOTE=Devon-M;31444725]jesus christ don't buy a mustang.
just buy a 240sx.
the ka24 is easy to fix, reliable, and good on gas.[/QUOTE]
the only thing thats ever broken on my mustang that wasn't because of the ridiculous amounts of abuse i give it was the fuel pump.
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cup holders even fit smoke grenades
front wheel drive is fine, but i PREFER rear wheel.
I'm just looking for a sporty car with enough power.
Finding something that's RWD, fun, and practical is next to impossible nowadays.
First of all, the RWD part. Most if not all economy cars are FWD nowadays, as they were in most of the 90's. RWD has been reserved (though not encompassing) for sportscars since the beginning of the 90's. If you want something that's RWD and remotely gas saving, you're either going to be looking at the Miata again or you're going to be looking at at mid-eighties American cars.
There are numerous problems with even considering the latter. Not only are these kinds of cars hard to find, but they're much too heavy for their power output and are rarely that fast. In addition, they're about as reliable is a politician.
So what about Jap cars? Well they're almost all FWD, plus you found the Civic boring. Granted, this doesn't mean that there aren't fun Jap cars. If you want an efficient yet fun Jap car, then you'd be looking at cars like the Acura Integra, Honda Prelude, Toyota Corolla SR5, and a few others.
So this leaves you at the Miata again, which you said you couldn't have because of the soft-top.
tl;dr - The car you want is idealistic and likely doesn't exist unless you're willing to compromise one of your criteria.
Or he could get a BMW E36 or E46. Reliable and they really don't need much fuel if you aren't flooring it all the time.
I didn't consider the kraut cars for some reason.
Still, if you want to get one of them that's actually fun, you're probably going to have to compromise on gas milage.
[QUOTE=Super_Noodle;31451828]I didn't consider the kraut cars for some reason.
Still, if you want to get one of them that's actually fun, you're probably going to have to compromise on gas milage.[/QUOTE]
The E36 328i needs about 10l/100km, not really much for a 2.8 ~200hp car. I put that engine in my E30 and it needs ~8l if I drive normally, cause of the low weight of the car.
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