• Sam Bacile comments on US Ambassador to Libya's Death - Some background on the shitstorm he caused
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[B][U][I]I know there are a few threads on the Libyan Ambassador's death, but this gives more background than "Mozlems freaking hate the US!" [/I][/U][/B] [quote]LOS ANGELES (AP) — An Israeli filmmaker based in California went into hiding after a YouTube trailer of his movie attacking Islam's prophet Muhammad sparked angry assaults by ultra-conservative Muslims on U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three American members of his staff were killed. Speaking by phone Tuesday from an undisclosed location, [B]writer and director Sam Bacile remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and that the 56-year-old intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.[/B] Protesters angered over Bacile's film opened fire on and burned down the U.S. consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi. Libyan officials said Wednesday that Ambassador Chris Stevens was killed Tuesday night when he and a group of embassy employees went to the consulate to try to evacuate staff as the building came under attack by a mob firing machine guns and rocket propelled grenades. In Egypt, protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner. [B]"This is a political movie," said Bacile. "The U.S. lost a lot of money and a lot of people in wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we're fighting with ideas."[/B] [B]Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world.[/B] [B]"Islam is a cancer, period," he said repeatedly, his solemn voice thickly accented.[/B] [B]The two-hour movie, "Innocence of Muslims," cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of more than 100 Jewish donors, said Bacile, who wrote and directed it.[/B] The film claims Muhammad was a fraud. The14-minute trailer of the movie that reportedly set off the protests, posted on the website YouTube in an original English version and another dubbed into Egyptian Arabic, shows an amateur cast performing a wooden dialogue of insults disguised as revelations about Muhammad, whose obedient followers are presented as a cadre of goons. [B]It depicts Muhammad as a feckless philanderer who approved of child sexual abuse, among other overtly insulting claims that have caused outrage.[/B] Muslims find it offensive to depict Muhammad in any manner, let alone insult the prophet. A Danish newspaper's 2005 publication of 12 caricatures of the prophet triggered riots in many Muslim countries. [B]Though Bacile was apologetic about the American who was killed as a result of the outrage over his film, he blamed lax embassy security and the perpetrators of the violence.[/B] [B]"I feel the security system (at the embassies) is no good," said Bacile. "America should do something to change it."[/B] A consultant on the film, Steve Klein, said the filmmaker is concerned for family members who live in Egypt. Bacile declined to confirm. Klein said he vowed to help Bacile make the movie but warned him that "you're going to be the next Theo van Gogh." Van Gogh was a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004 after making a film that was perceived as insulting to Islam. "We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen," Klein said. Bacile's film was dubbed into Egyptian Arabic by someone he doesn't know, but he speaks enough Arabic to confirm that the translation is accurate. It was made in three months in the summer of 2011, with 59 actors and about 45 people behind the camera. The full film has been shown once, to a mostly empty theater in Hollywood earlier this year, said Bacile.[/quote] [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/sam-bacile-in-hiding_n_1876044.html]Source[/url] I don't even know which side is more wrong anymore. Why make a movie like this? Why kill people over it? Just why? A part of me says "If the same kind of film was about Judaism then surely the entire world would be against them" - anti-semitism is a crime in the U.S after all. So this shouldn't be allowed either. But killing the ambassador?! Or anyone for that matter? That's far too much. Both sides are disgusting me at the moment. The trailer in question: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC6yGzpSvjU[/media]
sounds like someone took r/atheism a bit too seriously...
You don't know which side to agree with? How about with the guy who made a movie instead of murderers.
[QUOTE=Falubii;37641294]You don't know which side to agree with? How about with the guy who made a movie instead of murderers.[/QUOTE] I'd consider calling an entire religion "a cancer" and making a movie with the sole purpose of insulting the everloving shit out of that religion to be pretty fucking close. I am against what the muslims did, but when you throw shit like this at them what do you expect really?
[QUOTE=Falubii;37641294]You don't know which side to agree with? How about with the guy who made a movie instead of murderers.[/QUOTE] I did not agree with Terry Jones's planned Koran burning, and since this film is essentially making the same exact statement burning the Koran makes, I cannot agree with it either. It would be hypocritical to claim Sam Bacile is doing the right thing here given all the hate thrown at Terry Jones. [url=http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-12/news/os-terry-jones-movie-embassy-bombing-20120912_1_florida-pastor-islam-protests]Oh, look, this incident already has Terry Jones's name on it![/url]
The guys who stormed the embassies are barbarians and the guy who made tasteless trolling movie is an imbecile. There's nobody to side with. [editline]12th September 2012[/editline] The fact itself he recognized himself as a Jew - part of community that gets[I] ~offended~[/I] bi-weekly and twice a week on Christmas, makes any his defense void. He's not neutral, he's not informative. He's trying to stir hatred and conflict. And I don't even have to comment on a mob killing 4 only very indirectly connected people based on their disliking of something.
[QUOTE=Falubii;37641294]You don't know which side to agree with? How about with the guy who made a movie instead of murderers.[/QUOTE] How about we agree that both sides of this are morons and it resulted in a lot of property damage and the deaths of a few poor bastards who had nothing to do with it?
What an absolute asshole. What good does this do for anyone anywhere?
[QUOTE=Falubii;37641294]You don't know which side to agree with? How about with the guy who made a movie instead of murderers.[/QUOTE] Actually I remember saying "I don't even know which side is more wrong anymore." As in, I don't agree with either of them. But hey, you know. I guess it's cool that you respond to me like I said the exact opposite of what I said.
That dude sounds like a utter and complete cock, but so are the people who stormed the embassies. Jail 'em all.
Well his point was proven in a way by idiotic muslims abroad. Don't tell me otherwise, they killed Americans and stormed US embassies because they found a film made by an Israeli to be distasteful. There's so much idiocy in all of this.
much as i think he's a wank, i don't think anyone could have reasonably forseen that creating an anti-muslim film would result in the deaths of consulate staff in libya. should we put a ban on all criticism of mohammad (spelling ugh) now, just in case it causes someone somewhere to kill someone only most-abstractly related?
This movie sound stupid and obnoxious, but it doesn't excuse the acts of the fucktards who killed innocent men. Sam Bacile, dumbass of the year, had the right to make that movie and if the attackers acted like grown men instead of crybabies with guns, nothing would have happened. [editline]12th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=BoysLightUp;37641736]much as i think he's a wank, i don't think anyone could have reasonably forseen that creating an anti-muslim film would result in the deaths of consulate staff in libya. [B]should we put a ban on all criticism of mohammad[/B] (spelling ugh) now, just in case it causes someone somewhere to kill someone only most-abstractly related?[/QUOTE] Why would they have any more right than everybody else? They're free to practice their religion, and we're free to criticize the everloving shit out of it, as we would for Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Mormons etc etc...
[quote]cost $5 million to make and was financed with the help of [B]more than 100 Jewish donors[/B][/quote] Hrm. Why attack the US, go attack Israel.
it was a rhetorical question
Some died, [I]"OH the security of the embassies were SHIT!!"[/I] Damn, he is the incarnate of /r/Atheism, except he's jewish. It's like he isn't sorry at all that some died indirectly because of what he did, since he's too busy hating on Muslims.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37641783]Hrm. Why attack the US, go attack Israel.[/QUOTE] US is an easier target since it actually extends it's hand towards middle eastern nations. Israel is more like a guy pointing a gun at you. plus does israel have an embassy there?
That movie looks fucking terrible
Why do some Muslims have to be such dumbasses and make the rest of us look bad?
The actions here were not supported by the majority of Libyans, lets alone Muslims by the way. Here is one of the twitter messages I saw, similar to the majority of public opinion. People aren't happy. [img]http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/884/screenshot20120912at611.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Fayez;37641919]Why do some Muslims have to be such dumbasses and make the rest of us look bad?[/QUOTE] Well this time it's because of some islamophobic Jews. [QUOTE=Conspiracy;37641928]The actions here were not supported by the majority of Libyans, lets alone Muslims by the way. Here is one of the twitter messages I saw, similar to the majority of public opinion. People aren't happy. [img]http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/884/screenshot20120912at611.png[/img][/QUOTE] Weren't he (Chris Stevens) the guy who were also a Something Awful moderator?
[QUOTE=Van-man;37641939]Well this time it's because of some islamophobic Jews. Weren't he (Chris Stevens) the guy who were also a Something Awful moderator?[/QUOTE] No that was Sean Smith, one of the other staffers killed. Chris was the ambassador.
[QUOTE=Van-man;37641939]Well this time it's because of some islamophobic Jews. Weren't he (Chris Stevens) the guy who were also a Something Awful moderator?[/QUOTE] No, Sean Smith was the SA mod: [url]http://themittani.com/news/rip-vile-rat[/url]
[QUOTE=Van-man;37641939]Weren't he (Chris Stevens) the guy who were also a Something Awful moderator?[/QUOTE] I think you are thinking of Sean Smith, also known as Vile Rat in EVE. He was a member of Goonfleet that was also killed in the embassy. [url]http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/09/12/eve-online-top-player-was-us-official-killed-in-libya/[/url] Edit: Well, we posted that info at the exact same time...
So a man who calls himself Israeli Jew makes a film with a few Egyptian Copts. Next thing we know American government officials are dead? What bullshit
Considering he lied to the actors in the movie about what the point of the film was, I say we send him tickets to Libya, and tell him they are "luxurious vacation tickets to Hawaii" and let this problem solve itself.
gee the movie isn't even good
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