• Metal Studs Treat The Homeless 'Like Animals'
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[QUOTE]Metal studs installed to stop homeless people from sleeping outside private flats in London have been described as "brutal" by a homelessness charity. Residents at the block on Southwark Bridge Road said they appeared a few weeks ago after someone had been sleeping rough there. In reaction, Howard Sinclair, Chief Executive of St Mungo's Broadway, said: "Each year our teams, in Southwark and elsewhere, help thousands of people off the streets. "Part of their role is to prevent people adopting a street lifestyle which, on occasions, means adapting the physical environment to prevent people sleeping rough in a particular location on a regular basis. These 'studs' appear a rather brutal way of doing just that." Its not clear who ordered them and if they are solely to deter rough sleepers but their installation has sparked an angry reaction. Emi Takehara lives in the block and told Sky News: "I feel really uncomfortable having these spikes in front of my home. It's like treating these homeless people like animals." [/QUOTE] [url]http://news.sky.com/story/1277765/metal-studs-treat-the-homeless-like-animals[/url] [IMG]http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/8/314879/default/v2/spikes1-1-522x293.jpg[/IMG]
Oh god who the fuck thought this would be a good idea The homeless sleeper problem aside, imagine tripping and falling on these
[Quote]Part of their role is to prevent people adopting a street lifestyle[/quote] So uh... what's the alternative to a street lifestyle for a homeless person? Or maybe it forces them to become not homeless. Like the guy comes back to his favorite sleeping spot only to find it littered in spikes. "Guess the parties over now, time to get a job."
Just put a mattress or a wooden plank on top of it and slumber in peace.
[QUOTE=Xubs;45033097]they're gonna remove them whenever a not-homeless person gets injured by these things, watch[/QUOTE] A corollary to that is, they won't be removed even if a homeless person gets injured by them.
Cool. If you don't like it, feel free to invite some homeless people to sleep on [I]your[/I] property. Go ahead and rate me dumb, at least I'm not a hypocrite.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;45033149]Cool. If you don't like it, feel free to invite some homeless people to sleep on [I]your[/I] property. Go ahead and rate me dumb, at least I'm not a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] You would be a fucking hypocrit if you were homeless
Homeless will now learn to balance their weight and sleep on spikes. Take on that.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;45033149]Cool. If you don't like it, feel free to invite some homeless people to sleep on [I]your[/I] property. Go ahead and rate me dumb, at least I'm not a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] Had a homeless guy sleeping outside my block of apartments just a week ago, actually. Ended up buzzing open the access door so that he could sleep inside. He ended up sleeping really out of the way at the back of the sides of a staircase so nobody would freak out. I talked with him for about five minutes in the evening and before leaving for work in the morning and he seemed like a really nice guy. It's a shame people have this really shitty prejudice that homeless people are horrible vagrants, when most are normal good people that have fallen on hard times. In this case, they're trying to stop homeless people sleeping outside of their building in a corner, as if them doing so actually hurts anyone. I have a healthy dislike of people who look down on the homeless and treat them like pests. University was some of the worst times of my life, yet I still had a roof over my head and food to eat (if you can call cheap noodles and beans food) and it really helped me to appreciate what the homeless have to go through. [quote]Emi Takehara lives in the block and told Sky News: "I feel really uncomfortable having these spikes in front of my home. It's like treating these homeless people like animals."[/quote]
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;45033149]Cool. If you don't like it, feel free to invite some homeless people to sleep on [I]your[/I] property. Go ahead and rate me dumb, at least I'm not a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] Now you have homeless sleeping on sidewalks instead of being tucked into some corner, breaking into a property to squat in, or finding a bench in a park or something. Do you really think that homeless people will stop being homeless because you made them face a minor inconvenience? Do you really fucking think that homeless people rely on their life being convenient? This is an example of entirely moronic not-solution to a real problem and whoever came with this idea is not just heartless, but also bloody fucking retarded. Homeless people are a problem but you can't just try to hush them under the carpet and hope they will disappear and won't come back.
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;45033198]Had a homeless guy sleeping outside my block of apartments just a week ago, actually. [B]Ended up buzzing open the access door so that he could sleep inside.[/B][/QUOTE] You let a total stranger into a building which you don't own, and won't be held responsible for if there are any damages. What a hero! Seriously, try inviting him into your appartment. Or inviting him into your backyard if you actually owned some property. [QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45033208]Homeless people are a problem but you can't just try to hush them under the carpet and hope they will disappear and won't come back.[/QUOTE] I agree in principle but I don't think people should be expected to have any strangers stay on their private property.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;45033219]You let a total stranger into a building which you don't own, and won't be held responsible for if there are any damages. What a hero![/QUOTE] I find it hard to imagine what kind of damages could be caused in a concrete stairwell. Hell, the access door itself can be opened from the outside with a hard pull, if he was sleeping outside in the rain in hopes that somebody would let him in so he could scribble on some painted concrete walls, who gives a shit? [QUOTE=MoonlessNight;45033219]Seriously, try inviting him into your appartment. Or inviting him into your backyard if you actually owned some property..[/QUOTE] I think you're jumping the gun here, friend. This article is describing these metal spikes being placed outside of a private renting building. It even says so in the first line of the OP. I merely said that I let a homeless person from outside of this apartment block in to the stairwell of the block. If I owned the block, I'd do that too. Comparing the outside of owned property to inside your own home is a bit ridiculous. I would not let a stranger in to my home, but I have no issue with a stranger sleeping outside of it. My backyard would be a different story, but once again, that's not comparable to the outside of a building on the street, is it?
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[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;45033219]You let a total stranger into a building which you don't own, and won't be held responsible for if there are any damages. What a hero! Seriously, try inviting him into your appartment. Or inviting him into your backyard if you actually owned some property. I agree in principle but I don't think people should be expected to have any strangers stay on their private property.[/QUOTE] I invited a homeless guy into my house and we smoked pot and I made him some food and he went on his way. My roomies regularly give rides to hobos and shit. Most of em aren't bad people at all, but a lot of em are kinda wacky.
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;45033235] I think you're jumping the gun here, friend. This article is describing these metal spikes being placed outside of a private renting building. It even says so in the first line of the OP. I merely said that I let a homeless person from outside of this apartment block in to the stairwell of the block. If I owned the block, I'd do that too. [/QUOTE] I hate people who do this over here. Homeless people piss and sometimes even shit in the stairwells before leaving. Especially in winter when it's cold outside.
In every story I hear about periodically letting a homeless person crash in your apartment, it always ends up with a robbery. I volunteer with the homeless somewhat frequently (every few months) I wouldn't say they're all bad, but a lot of them are a little bit messed up mentally. Just the nature of being homeless gives them little accountability, they aren't necessarily tied down to jobs or homes like the rest of us, be careful.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;45033261]I invited a homeless guy into my house and we smoked pot and I made him some food and he went on his way. My roomies regularly give rides to hobos and shit. Most of em aren't bad people at all, but a lot of em are kinda wacky.[/QUOTE] See, you're part of the small but honorable group of people that actually do something for the homeless instead of just complaining at other people so they can feel good about themselves. [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45033270]In every story I hear about periodically letting a homeless person crash into your apartment always ends up with a robbery. I volunteer with the homeless somewhat frequently (every few months) I wouldn't say they're all bad, but a lot of them are a little bit messed up mentally. Just the nature of being homeless gives them little accountability, they aren't necessarily tied down to jobs or homes like the rest of us, be careful.[/QUOTE] Indeed, claiming that there is no reason for prejudice against homeless people is just unrealistic.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;45033280] Indeed, claiming that there is no reason for prejudice against homeless people is just unrealistic.[/QUOTE] I believe you should be apprehensive, but judgment on character before you spend some time talking to them is a little harsh to me, as generally you can pick out the good ones from the way too crazy to be safe to be around really fast. Like once my ex got chased by a homeless guy because she wouldn't let him use her cell phone. (I wasn't there to meat market the homeless guy)
Street buttplugs, nice.
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;45033280]See, you're part of the small but honorable group of people that actually do something for the homeless instead of just complaining at other people so they can feel good about themselves. Indeed, claiming that there is no reason for prejudice against homeless people is just unrealistic.[/QUOTE] claiming there is no reason for prejudice against blacks/jews/muslims/gays/women, is just unrealistic, oh, no, wait, thats a moronic stance to take and so is yours.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;45033427]claiming there is no reason for prejudice against blacks/jews/muslims/gays/women, is just unrealistic, oh, no, wait, thats a moronic stance to take and so is yours.[/QUOTE] Are you seriously comparing homelessness to being black/jew/gay...?
Wow, you know you are scum when you see another human being so poor that they cannot even afford shelter from the elements; and the thought that crosses your mind isnt one of empathy but rather "ugh what an eyesore- we should introduce a way to make you go suffer somewhere where i dont have to look at you".
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45033447]Are you seriously comparing homelessness to being black/jew/gay...?[/QUOTE] I'm listing other prejudices that are equally as silly as being prejudiced agianst homeless people. Very few, people are homeless by choice (Yes, I know Being Gay, black or Ethnically Jewish is definately not a choice). some may decided to remain that way after being homeless a while, but nobody just up and goes "I'm gonnabe homeless from today." True, there are bad apples amongst homeless people, and because of the situation sometimes leading to alcoholism or drug dependence (or those being the cause of the homelessness) there will be higher amounts of bad apples, but there's bad apples in all kinds of groups, librarians, teachers, police, whatever. Sure, if you don't feel like you can trust homeles people enough to want to invite them into your living room, fine, just don't be prejudiced against a whole swathe of people because you've heard of stories of "some" homeless people being bad. It's just silly being prejudiced agianst people for circumstances in their life that they (mostly) have no control over, sure, if a homeless person steals from you, you have a right to not like that particular homeless person (just as you would any other person who does something against you), but extending beyond that to being prejudiced against all people of a particular type? That's just silly. If I disliked the entirey of Blacks/Gays/Jews just because one individual out of that entire group did something agianst me, you'd be calling me a moron, and yet, its fine to do the same with homeless people?
[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;45033219]You let a total stranger into a building which you don't own, and won't be held responsible for if there are any damages. What a hero! Seriously, try inviting him into your appartment. Or inviting him into your backyard if you actually owned some property. I agree in principle but I don't think people should be expected to have any strangers stay on their private property.[/QUOTE] Its spikes installed infront of the building, how can you compare that to a backyard. Anyways, I wonder what goes through the minds of the people that think of these ideas.
In my city there are hostels for the homeless with support for applying for emergency council-subsidized housing and getting the means to afford it - I'm not saying these are nice places or that it'll be an easy road or anything like that but there is a structure in place to stop homelessness. Because of this I cannot see homeless in my city as anything other than those that are not willing to help themselves. That obviously doesn't carry over to other areas, but I have little sympathy for homeless in my local area knowing there is a way out for them. I'm well aware that these hostels are probably as bad as a prison to be in, and that emergency housing is usually in the worst areas of the city surrounded by the worst types of people and the jobs they'll be set up in are going to be the most menial. I'm well aware it would be a hard road to travel - but they'll be on the road.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45033263]I hate people who do this over here. Homeless people piss and sometimes even shit in the stairwells before leaving. Especially in winter when it's cold outside.[/QUOTE] That just sounds like your city being an apparent shithole to me What kind of fucking animal shits and pisses where it sleeps? Scratch that because most animals don't even do that..
[QUOTE=Kylel999;45033540]That just sounds like your city being an apparent shithole to me What kind of fucking animal shits and pisses where it sleeps? Scratch that because most animals don't even do that..[/QUOTE] I don't deny that at all. It also confuses me as to why shit there and not being able to sleep there again but that's what they do. But then again many homeless people here are also drunk often enough so that probably plays a part. I have nothing against them sleeping on stairwells as there's plenty of space and all but when they piss in there it gets very smelly.
I was homeless for 7 months, never badly behaved, never broke in anywhere, never stole, and at the end of the day (literally) regardless of what you do during the day while homeless, all you want at night is somewhere safe and as sheltered from the elements as much as possible, to lay your head. Those homeless who do criminal activity largely do it because of their situation, alcoholism and drug use suprisingly enough ends up with you committing crimes and doing some thigns which are morally and societally dubious.
[QUOTE=booster;45033411]Street buttplugs, nice.[/QUOTE] See, not that's the attitude!
So, they're trying to solve homelessness with ass play?
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