• 30% migrants are fake Syrians, says Germany
    59 replies, posted
[QUOTE]Germany estimates that 30 per cent of incoming migrants claiming to be citizens of war-torn Syria are in fact from other countries, an interior ministry spokesman said on Friday. "It's an estimate based on the observations of officials on the ground, especially the federal police, the Office for Migration and Refugees and (EU border protection agency) Frontex," he said. The spokesman stressed that Germany keeps no official statistics on asylum-seekers believed to be misstating their nationality. Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere later said that "we're seeing fake Syrian passports, and there are signs of people claiming to be from Syria who don't speak a word of Arabic." Germany is Europe's top destination for people fleeing war and misery amid Europe's greatest migrant influx since World War II and expects between 800,000 and one million newcomers this year. Numbers have surged since Germany declared it would admit Syrians, even if they technically should have applied for refugee status in the first EU country they set foot in on their way to Germany.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.khaleejtimes.com/international/europe/30-migrants-are-fake-syrians-says-germany[/url]
Not surprising in the slightest. [editline]...[/editline] Ofcourse people looking to migrate to Europe will claim to be Syrian when you have countries like my own that has special benefits for refugees vs regular immigrants, and policies such as that Syrian refugees will get permanent habitual residence upon arrival no questions asked.
[quote]and there are signs of people claiming to be from Syria who don't speak a word of Arabic."[/quote] :v:
can you find a better source please? This article seems like it was written by an uneducated right-wing nut.
[QUOTE=shutter_eye5;48767984]can you find a better source please? This article seems like it was written by an uneducated right-wing nut.[/QUOTE] Here, a proper source, but in German: [URL]http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2015-09/fluechtlinge-syrer-asylverfahren-aufenthaltserlaubnis[/URL] [QUOTE]Die Bundesregierung schätzt, dass 30 Prozent der Flüchtlinge, die sich in Deutschland als Syrer vorstellen, in Wirklichkeit eine andere Nationalität haben.[/QUOTE] Pretty much what the article in the OP says, the German government estimates that 30% of all refugees in Germany who say they are Syrian actually aren't Syrian.
Why not? If you've got the chance to get in you should take it.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48768044]Why not? If you've got the chance to get in you should take it.[/QUOTE] Um?????
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48768044]Why not? If you've got the chance to get in you should take it.[/QUOTE] sure that makes sense but this, if true, spits in the faces of the people who repeat "there's no economic refugees coming from this conflict" because there's at least a few it would seem
[QUOTE=kila58;48768057]Um?????[/QUOTE] If you're living in a poor country and have the opportunity to forge some documents that claim you're Syrian so you can move to a rich, Western country that is practically begging for you to come live with them, you're damn straight most people with a shred of ambition are going to move to that rich, Western country. Why not? Beats the life they have now, if they can get away with it they will. [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48768065]sure that makes sense but this, if true, spits in the faces of the people who repeat "there's no economic refugees coming from this conflict" because there's at least a few it would seem[/QUOTE] Those people are idiots who don't consider things like this are inevitable in a mass migration. Well, either idiots or people intentionally ignoring the obvious because it goes against their narrative.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48768044]Why not? If you've got the chance to get in you should take it.[/QUOTE] They are using a crisis as a way to illegally immigrate into a county. Its not a "chance", its just illegal immigration.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48768111]If you're living in a poor country and have the opportunity to forge some documents that claim you're Syrian so you can move to a rich, Western country that is practically begging for you to come live with them, you're damn straight most people with a shred of ambition are going to move to that rich, Western country. Why not? Beats the life they have now, if they can get away with it they will. [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] Those people are idiots who don't consider things like this are inevitable in a mass migration. Well, either idiots or people intentionally ignoring the obvious because it goes against their narrative.[/QUOTE] Cheating your way into a country is filthy when they hardly have the resources to support the current influx of people flooding in.
[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;48768131]They are using a crisis as a way to illegally immigrate into a county. Its not a "chance", its just illegal immigration.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and what I'm saying is if they can get away with it, they will. [QUOTE=kila58;48768132]Cheating your way into a country is filthy when they hardly have the resources to support the current influx of people flooding in.[/QUOTE] Sure is filthy living in a great country that's doing everything it can to make you comfortable.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;48768159] Sure is filthy living in a great country that's doing everything it can to make you comfortable.[/QUOTE] I don't see why not when you are not welcomed. They are ruining it for the people who literally can't go back.
Honestly, this crisis is at least indirectly all our fault. No one wanted to stop the Syrian Civil War because no one wanted to pay the price, so now we're having to pay a larger one... All I can hope is that this be a lesson for the future. No one ever thinks in the long term, and we need to.
This just confirms the stories from our Syrian translator who had problems communicating with "Syrians" who don't speak Arabic.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48768229]Honestly, this crisis is at least indirectly all our fault. No one wanted to stop the Syrian Civil War because no one wanted to pay the price, so now we're having to pay a larger one... All I can hope is that this be a lesson for the future. No one ever thinks in the long term, and we need to.[/QUOTE] No one is obligated to take these refugees. Sure, it would be a humanitarian catastrophe if no one did, but the obligation is still not there.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48768351]No one is obligated to take these refugees. Sure, it would be a humanitarian catastrophe if no one did, but the obligation is still not there.[/QUOTE] It is, though Legally Like, the Geneva Convention?
[QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;48768405]It is, though Legally Like, the Geneva Convention?[/QUOTE] I don't believe that talks about neutral countries mandating to take refugees from a war.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48768065]sure that makes sense but this, if true, spits in the faces of the people who repeat "there's no economic refugees coming from this conflict" because there's at least a few it would seem[/QUOTE] Noone ever said "there are no economic refugees", its just a bunch of anti-migration campaigners claim all of the migrants to north western Europe are economic refugees for not stopping at nearby "safe" places in the middle east like Turkey, which is horseshit when placed under scrutiny Even if this number is right, that's still 70% of the hundreds of thousands who have had their lives turned upside down by conflict in the middle east.
Why should a young Syrian man get preference over a young African or Pakistani man? Quite a few people from the latter countries can't really go back.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;48768229]Honestly, this crisis is at least indirectly all our fault. No one wanted to stop the Syrian Civil War because no one wanted to pay the price, so now we're having to pay a larger one... All I can hope is that this be a lesson for the future. No one ever thinks in the long term, and we need to.[/QUOTE] No, there's no good solution. Go in there and intervene and people bitch about "world police" or whatever, don't do anything and people bitch about all of the bad stuff that was "allowed to happen". Further, no one has to pay the price. Look at the US, they are barely accepting any refugees. Countries opting to help rather than telling them to go away and bother someone else is entirely their decision. [QUOTE=Ager O'Eggers;48768405]It is, though Legally Like, the Geneva Convention?[/QUOTE] Laws that binds nations are only as relevant as the nations decide they are; case in point, Ukraine.
[QUOTE=shutter_eye5;48767984]can you find a better source please? This article seems like it was written by an uneducated right-wing nut.[/QUOTE] The article may be but this has been written about from other sources [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=TornadoAP;48768229]Honestly, this crisis is at least indirectly all our fault. No one wanted to stop the Syrian Civil War because no one wanted to pay the price, so now we're having to pay a larger one... All I can hope is that this be a lesson for the future. No one ever thinks in the long term, and we need to.[/QUOTE] It's not the US's fault directly or indirectly, we put a resolution to vote multiple times in the UN to deescalate the war and China and Russia blocked it. The west is bearing the brunt of the consequences of Syria while the eastern countries are benefiting from selling arms to support this conflict. This started as a civil war caused by bashir Assad killing opposition to his regime, even if Isis wasn't antagonized by US intervention in Iraq, the Syrian civil war was still going to happen
[QUOTE=Sableye;48768793]The article may be but this has been written about from other sources [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] It's not the US's fault directly or indirectly, we put a resolution to vote multiple times in the UN to deescalate the war and China and Russia blocked it. The west is bearing the brunt of the consequences of Syria while the eastern countries are benefiting from selling arms to support this conflict. This started as a civil war caused by bashir Assad killing opposition to his regime, even if Isis wasn't antagonized by US intervention in Iraq, the Syrian civil war was still going to happen[/QUOTE] It's ISIS that acted as the nail in the coffin.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;48768419]I don't believe that talks about neutral countries mandating to take refugees from a war.[/QUOTE] There is literally two UN treaties ratified by about 150 countries about the status of a refugee and whether or not nations have an obligation to help them (they do). But then again, as DaMasterz said, laws are only valid if countries follow them. [editline]26th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=DaMastez;48768704]No, there's no good solution. Go in there and intervene and people bitch about "world police" or whatever, don't do anything and people bitch about all of the bad stuff that was "allowed to happen". Further, no one has to pay the price. Look at the US, they are barely accepting any refugees. Countries opting to help rather than telling them to go away and bother someone else is entirely their decision. [/QUOTE] Are you seriously that naive to think that no one is paying a price for the refugees? Fucking look at Lebanon and Jordan. Their economies are getting swamped by the sheer number of refugees coming in.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;48768918]It's ISIS that acted as the nail in the coffin.[/QUOTE] ISIS was the barrel of powder sitting in the corner, assad was the maniac with a torch running around, we tried to stop him from touching off that barrel, but now its been done its the international communitys job now to put out the fire, russia is finally stepping up, but whether they can actually guarantee assad's eventual removal is a large factor in the future of syria, because we can put out the fire of isis, but syria is not going to be at peace until assad is gone, because he started this, and continues to fight this
[QUOTE=Sableye;48769306]its the international communitys job now to put out the fire, russia is finally stepping up, but whether they can actually guarantee assad's eventual removal is a large factor in the future of syria, because we can put out the fire of isis, but syria is not going to be at peace until assad is gone, because he started this, and continues to fight this[/QUOTE] So we throw together an international force, invade a middle-eastern country, destroy their army, execute their leader, and occupy the country for the next decade while fighting Islamic insurgents. Sounds familiar.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48769804]So we throw together an international force, invade a middle-eastern country, destroy their army, execute their leader, and occupy the country for the next decade while fighting Islamic insurgents. Sounds familiar.[/QUOTE] Soviet-Afghan War? :v:
[QUOTE=Sableye;48769306]ISIS was the barrel of powder sitting in the corner, assad was the maniac with a torch running around, we tried to stop him from touching off that barrel, but now its been done its the international communitys job now to put out the fire, russia is finally stepping up, but whether they can actually guarantee assad's eventual removal is a large factor in the future of syria, because we can put out the fire of isis, but syria is not going to be at peace until assad is gone, because he started this, and continues to fight this[/QUOTE] i don't think that's exactly the best analogy to use what's happened in reality is that years of war, terrorism, civil unrest, disillusionment, and the collapse of the most prevailing religious and political ideologies of the middle east has resulted in a vast semi-lawless zone opening up in what was once syria and iraq. ISIS is more or less a new state forming out of the chaos, busy seizing control of areas that both Syria and Iraq have lost the ability to control (let alone administer and develop) for years now.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48768628]Why should a young Syrian man get preference over a young African or Pakistani man? Quite a few people from the latter countries can't really go back.[/QUOTE] Syria is an active fuckery of a warzone, more than pakistan or most african countries. Of course if they're coming from an African country that is in a war then they have just as much of a right to seek refuge as a syrian And besides, they're entering the country with deception which is wrong
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48769881]i don't think that's exactly the best analogy to use what's happened in reality is that years of war, terrorism, civil unrest, disillusionment, and the collapse of the most prevailing religious and political ideologies of the middle east has resulted in a vast semi-lawless zone opening up in what was once syria and iraq. ISIS is more or less a new state forming out of the chaos, busy seizing control of areas that both Syria and Iraq have lost the ability to control (let alone administer and develop) for years now.[/QUOTE] I would argue that Iraq is just a tad bit more stable than Syria; their forces are just poorly trained with the poor morale of being occupied over a ten year period by a foreign power & culture. Perhaps in Syria, they're filling a void, but in Iraq, they're purposely expanding one.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.