[QUOTE](Reuters) - Israel said on Saturday that advanced weapons supplied by Russia to war-torn Syria could end up in the wrong hands and be used against the Jewish state.
A Russian shipment of Yakhont anti-ship missiles to Syria was condemned by the United States on Friday and Israel is also alarmed by the prospect of Russia supplying S-300 advanced air defense missile systems to Damascus.
While Israel has declined to take sides in the civil war between Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and rebels trying to topple him, Western and Israeli sources say it has launched air strikes inside Syria in a bid to destroy weapons it believes are destined for the Lebanese group Hezbollah.
Justice Minister Tzipi Livni told Army Radio: "(Weapons) could reach others in Syria or Lebanon and be used against Israel."
"These are not just any weapons, they are tie-breakers, and that's why there is a responsibility with all world powers, certainly Russia, not to supply such arms," Livni said, adding that Israel had the right to defend itself.
Israel has neither denied nor confirmed reports that it attacked Iranian-supplied missiles stored near Damascus this month that it believed were awaiting delivery to Hezbollah, an Assad ally which fought a war with Israel in 2006.
Senior Israeli defense official Amos Gilad said the S-300 and the Yakhont would likely end up with Hezbollah and threaten both Israel and U.S. forces in the Gulf.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/18/us-israel-syria-idUSBRE94H0BO20130518[/url]
I can see their concern.
I'm sure the Russians deeply care about what Israel thinks
Be careful, they might get enough weaponry to stand up to Israel's bullying on the middle-east someday. Stop it Russia.
Fuck off, Isreal.
[quote]Livni said, adding that Israel had the right to defend itself.[/quote]
Because, invading other countries airspaces and blowing up weapon depots because weapons "might" get into enemies hands is self defense.
Israel runs like it's own special version of Minority Report now doesn't it?
What is Israel going to do about it? They can't exactly shoot at Russia, suppose they could cry at America but even then Russia just laughs at them.
Haha all they can do is suck Russia's cock.
Russia could pulverize Israel as a bear pulverizes a bee hive.
[QUOTE=theaceattourney;40695778]Russia could pulverize Israel as a bear pulverizes a bee hive.[/QUOTE]
And (hopefully) America wouldn't give too much of a shit and start a war with Russia over it if this were to happen, unlikely though.
[QUOTE=theaceattourney;40695778]Russia could pulverize Israel as a bear pulverizes a bee hive.[/QUOTE]
Realistically there can never be a clear-cut winner against two countries with (supposodly) nuclear weapons and 2nd strike capabilities. All you get is a lot of death.
[QUOTE=Jonzky;40697548]Realistically there can never be a clear-cut winner against two countries with (supposodly) nuclear weapons and 2nd strike capabilities. All you get is a lot of death.[/QUOTE]
yeah in a conflict that's just Israel vs Russia with no NATO or US involvement I think there would be a fairly clear-cut winner
[QUOTE=Jonzky;40697548]Realistically there can never be a clear-cut winner against two countries with (supposodly) nuclear weapons and 2nd strike capabilities. All you get is a lot of death.[/QUOTE]
Well, if we look at it that way, Russia could win if it fires enough nukes to cover complete Israel's territory. That of course means that most of the population is dead.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;40697796]Well, if we look at it that way, Russia could win if it fires enough nukes to cover complete Israel's territory. That of course means that most of the population is dead.[/QUOTE]
Just launch all the nukes. All of them. Every single one.
Let's watch and laugh as Israel tries to implement their strategy of intercepting humanitarian aid ships on Russian Warships.
Israel will be screaming bloody murder while Russia is concerned about giving a proper penalty for wasting military resources to the ship captains :v:
Israel threatens to strike weapon shipments from Iran to Hezbollah.
Russia provides weapons to Syria (which could land in Hezbollah hands)
Assad threatens to launch missiles on Tel Aviv if any strikes are launched.
Until the weapons reach Syria, Israel wouldnt want to target them and I think the Russian warships on the Mediterranean would ensure that. On reaching Syria, Israel could target them, and Assad "might" strike back in desperation, unlikely, depending on how crucial are those shipments to his survival.
Looks like nothing will happen and the war will keep going on with USA/Arab states providing more weapons/logistics to rebels and Russia/Iran/Hezbollah providing weapons/logistics to Assad.
The Islamist card can also be used by Russia/Iran/Hezbollah to stop the rebel support (defection from FSA to other groups, chemical attacks, brutal videos, suicide bombings, declaration of war on US/Israel etc etc).
I think people are laughing this off too easily just because it's about Israel. The idea that Russia could potentially be arming terrorist organizations is something to be concerned over.
[QUOTE=Falubii;40699097]I think people are laughing this off too easily just because it's about Israel. The idea that Russia could potentially be arming terrorist organizations is something to be concerned over.[/QUOTE]
As opposed to US arming terrorist organizations?
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;40695246]Fuck off, Isreal.
Because, invading other countries airspaces and blowing up weapon depots because weapons "might" get into enemies hands is self defense.[/QUOTE]
Obivously you have no understanding of the conflict. It's not a matter of the weapons "might" be transferred. They WILL get transferred. If Israel attacked the shipments every time they transferred then they would have struck a lot more. They just have to do it in a measured, controlled way as not to attract retaliation. These are highly accurate/powerful missles that would be targeted against civilian populations. They could cause mass civilian casualties not seen before. Israel lives in an environment that no one else lives in so you can't say they have no right to do this. This is life and death for many Israelis.
Israel is trying to strong arm its own national interests on a international level. Sure I can understand that they don't want Hezbollah gaining more weaponry but I think they need to back off.
[QUOTE=tielboy;40701564]Obivously you have no understanding of the conflict. It's not a matter of the weapons "might" be transferred. They WILL get transferred. If Israel attacked the shipments every time they transferred then they would have struck a lot more. They just have to do it in a measured, controlled way as not to attract retaliation. These are highly accurate/powerful missles that would be targeted against civilian populations. They could cause mass civilian casualties not seen before. Israel lives in an environment that no one else lives in so you can't say they have no right to do this. This is life and death for many Israelis.[/QUOTE]
They have no right to violate other countries sovereignty.
[QUOTE=tielboy;40701564] These are highly accurate/powerful missles that would be targeted against civilian populations.[/QUOTE]
Using S-300's for ground attack is like using (as one website put it) tablet computers to hammer nails, that is to say, stupid. You don't buy S-300's with the purpose of using them against ground targets. There are far better ground to ground missiles available, ones with longer range and a better payload (the S-300's payload is quite small in actuality), for a fraction of the price.
I wonder what would happen if the Israelis sunk a Russian ship carrying weapons to Syria.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;40702171][QUOTE=tielboy;40701564] These are highly accurate/powerful missles that would be targeted against civilian populations./QUOTE]
Using S-300's for ground attack is like using (as one website put it) tablet computers to hammer nails, that is to say, stupid. You don't buy S-300's with the purpose of using them against ground targets. There are far better ground to ground missiles available, ones with longer range and a better payload (the S-300's payload is quite small in actuality), for a fraction of the price.[/QUOTE]
I was talking more specifically to other missiles they would transfer, not S-300s.
[QUOTE=Intel Inside;40702446]I was talking more specifically to other missiles they would transfer, not S-300s.[/QUOTE]
Why are you debating and posting in this thread from two separate accounts?
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;40702171][QUOTE=tielboy;40701564] These are highly accurate/powerful missles that would be targeted against civilian populations./QUOTE]
Using S-300's for ground attack is like using (as one website put it) tablet computers to hammer nails, that is to say, stupid. You don't buy S-300's with the purpose of using them against ground targets. There are far better ground to ground missiles available, ones with longer range and a better payload (the S-300's payload is quite small in actuality), for a fraction of the price.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that not the point though? They got them for high tech air defense.
Now if the Israelis keep having their treks into Syrian airspace they risk being blown the fuck up.
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nevermind I read the quote wrong. I'm agreeing with you.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;40702183]I wonder what would happen if the Israelis sunk a Russian ship carrying weapons to Syria.[/QUOTE] Russia smacks Israel into the ground and makes them their bitch in front of the US of A.
Didn't Russia save the isreali asses like 60 years ago?
[QUOTE=laserguided;40701925]They have no right to violate other countries sovereignty.[/QUOTE]
Again what would you do in this situation surrounded by hostile people? Why don't you and other people focus on the fact that Syria is arming a terrorist organization. This is illegal and should be the main focus. Honestly I don't know why you would condemn striking the shipments when it's to a terrorist organization and it's going to be used in a malicious way to harm Israel/Israeli civilians.
[editline]19th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Starpluck;40702476]Why are you debating and posting in this thread from two separate accounts?[/QUOTE]
Because I'm logged in from another computer and I can't remember my password and I don't feel like making a new password ATM.
[QUOTE=windows098;40703957]Didn't Russia save the isreali asses like 60 years ago?[/QUOTE]
It has been so that the Soviet Union was a main supplier for the enemies of Israel, while Israel was backed up by the United States.
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