Those sons of bitches are not going to take anything of mine!: Greek fire to his home and threw his - Polidicks

[IMG]http://static.informe21.com/cdn/farfuture/VW7ePJS2Krbfxk55m1nfj1sDvhjtXACnaWv0SBFXtqU/mtime:1384965269/sites/default/files/imagecache/600x400/images/ebc0d5c98f0713a719cbc1d7f2d54bf4_article.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]A 50-year-old Greek who lives in the town of Nafpaktos, prefecture of Aetolia-Acarnania, whose assets were about to be embargo, He preferred to destroy them instead to give them to the bank. So, the desperate man burned his house and threw the car off a cliff, reports the New Minds website. Several people have claimed that the man was going through a bad economic situation and had debts to the banks after the failure of the store that was on the ground floor of his house, wood and two floors. When firefighters arrived, they found him sitting and watching the flames with a cigarette in his mouth. Witnesses said the man, who has been brought to justice, told firefighters: "Those sons of bitches are not going to take anything of mine."[/QUOTE] link (in Spanish): [url]http://informe21.com/actualidad/incendia-su-casa-y-arroja-el-carro-por-un-acantilado-para-no-darselos-al-banco-video[/url] [B]Not the best translation in the world but it is something[/B]

I don't think he understands that the stuff he bought on loan from the bank isn't his. He was renting it until he paid it off. Most people don't understand that, actually. Whereas before, he would have just lost his home and his car, now he's probably got to pay a settlement, face charges for arson and destruction of property, and otherwise just have a worse time. Good job, Greek guy. Now they're going to take everything else.

People in desperate situations do desperate things

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942082]I don't think he understands that the stuff he bought on loan from the bank isn't his. He was renting it until he paid it off. Most people don't understand that, actually. Whereas before, he would have just lost his home and his car, now he's probably got to pay a settlement, face charges for arson and destruction of property, and otherwise just have a worse time. Good job, Greek guy. Now they're going to take everything else.[/QUOTE] I think it's more the fact that banks have a total lack of understanding or compassion when it comes to their debtors going through rough financial times. Note that these are the same institutions that go running to governments or other large organizations when [I]they[/I] run into hard times.

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942082]I don't think he understands that the stuff he bought on loan from the bank isn't his. He was renting it until he paid it off. Most people don't understand that, actually. Whereas before, he would have just lost his home and his car, now he's probably got to pay a settlement, face charges for arson and destruction of property, and otherwise just have a worse time. Good job, Greek guy. Now they're going to take everything else.[/QUOTE] the fact that you have to negotiate with a bank in order to have decent shelter is fucking sickening.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42942158]the fact that you have to negotiate with a bank in order to have decent shelter is fucking sickening.[/QUOTE] Well, it's Greece, so I'd say he could have applied for government housing... But they can't afford that. In most countries, though, you can have "decent shelter" far more cheaply than most people think. Even in my state, you can get a new trailer and a plot of land for under $30,000. The problem comes when people can't afford to pay for what they buy, living outside their means. We saw that in 2008 with the housing bubble. People made bad loans on McMansions, and then got evicted from their McMansions because they couldn't support them, either because interest rates were high or they just overspent. But yes, I'm not a fan of the current overinflated housing market either. I think you should be able to afford something, even if it isn't the nicest, or the biggest, or the newest, at minimum wage-level. Shelter is a necessity, after all.

[quote]When firefighters arrived, they found him sitting and watching the flames with a cigarette in his mouth. [/quote] "Do what you must have, I have already won"

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942082]I don't think he understands that the stuff he bought on loan from the bank isn't his. He was renting it until he paid it off. Most people don't understand that, actually. Whereas before, he would have just lost his home and his car, now he's probably got to pay a settlement, face charges for arson and destruction of property, and otherwise just have a worse time. Good job, Greek guy. Now they're going to take everything else.[/QUOTE] it's bullshit because you can't afford housing or land WITHOUT taking a loan. you are FORCED to rent from banks. that's not right. good on this guy for burning his shit so some scumbag corporation can't profit off it.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42942396]it's bullshit because you can't afford housing or land WITHOUT taking a loan. you are FORCED to rent from banks. that's not right. good on this guy for burning his shit so some scumbag corporation can't profit off it.[/QUOTE] Well, you can rent from a landlord, but I guess that's not exactly what you mean. I'm also not going to persuade an anarchist that civil disobedience isn't necessarily a good thing, so I won't try. Also, in the US, the guy could have gone up to some uninhabited wilderness and built himself a cabin... Homestead Rights still apply here.

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942488] Also, in the US, the guy could have gone up to some uninhabited wilderness and built himself a cabin... Homestead Rights still apply here.[/QUOTE] Not everyone has the skill to do that.

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942488]Well, you can rent from a landlord, but I guess that's not exactly what you mean. I'm also not going to persuade an anarchist that civil disobedience isn't necessarily a good thing, so I won't try. Also, in the US, the guy could have gone up to some uninhabited wilderness and built himself a cabin... Homestead Rights still apply here.[/QUOTE] it's not really feasible for the average guy to try to build a cabin.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42942396]it's bullshit because you can't afford housing or land WITHOUT taking a loan. you are FORCED to rent from banks. that's not right. good on this guy for burning his shit so some scumbag corporation can't profit off it.[/QUOTE] Uh in all reality this guy just shot himself in the foot and did nothing to really impede the bank. The bank owns the land that the house sits on, so when they take it from him in all likelihood if they didn't get it to sell they would just demolish the house anyways and sell it to some corporation to build a new store on it. So pretty much he took all the work in demolishing the house off their hands AND now they can fuck him over completely and turn everything in his life to ashes. People need to stop acting on whims and the heat of the moment because you just end up hurting yourself in your flames of rage.

[QUOTE]When firefighters arrived, they found him sitting and watching the flames with a cigarette in his mouth. [/QUOTE] I love the mental image of this

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42942396]it's bullshit because you can't afford housing or land WITHOUT taking a loan. you are FORCED to rent from banks. that's not right. good on this guy for burning his shit so some scumbag corporation can't profit off it.[/QUOTE] who woulda thunk that land and lots of moneys worth of housing infrastructure and labor would cost you a whole lot more money than one would have in their bank account, or saved up in a shoe box under your bed because you don't trust the big banks!!!!!!!!. Only if there was a way for me to rent a place from a landlord, and then I can save up money over time and then purchase a home in full without having to negotiate with a bank for a loan hmmmm HRMMMM HMRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;42942520]it's not really feasible for the average guy to try to build a cabin.[/QUOTE] then perhaps he should get a loan and purchase a house with said loan, and then maintain a job like a normal person would and pay off that loan over time.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42942520]it's not really feasible for the average guy to try to build a cabin.[/QUOTE] I'd like to point you to the documentary "Alone in the Wilderness", where an average guy does just that. But, you know, more realistically, who are we blaming for the expensive houses? The banks? The contracting firms? The builders? The suppliers? The foresters, miners, and foundry men that make the raw materials? Should it all just go to hell?

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42942599]then perhaps he should get a loan and purchase a house with said loan, and then maintain a job like a normal person would and pay off that loan over time.[/QUOTE] it is clearly as easily done as it is said

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942618]I'd like to point you to the documentary "Alone in the Wilderness", where an average guy does just that. But, you know, more realistically, who are we blaming for the expensive houses? The banks? The contracting firms? The builders? The suppliers? The foresters, miners, and foundry men that make the raw materials? Should it all just go to hell?[/QUOTE] So if you were low on cash you would go off into the forest and somehow manage to survive? You can hunt? You can stay warm in a cold winter? You can make your own toilet paper? You can heal yourself when sick while gathering food?

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;42942667]Especially when your loan can be more than the house is worth, and the fact the bank is not looking out for your best interest doesn't help either.[/QUOTE] Banks can still be cunts about it even if you're paying the loan on time.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42942158]the fact that you have to negotiate with a bank in order to have decent shelter is fucking sickening.[/QUOTE] Yeah, let's just wish really really hard and then modern houses with all the comforts of modern technology will suddenly be cheap regardless of the amount of manpower required to build them Do you have a point or are you just complaining about how inconvenient life is? A house isn't something you can build in a weekend, of course it's going to cost a shitton and working out how you're going to pay for that is up to you. Buy a cheap house that's within your budget. Rent an apartment. Build your own log cabin in the woods. Or take a loan and pay it back over the course of years. Your call.

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942082]I don't think he understands that the stuff he bought on loan from the bank isn't his. He was renting it until he paid it off. Most people don't understand that, actually. Whereas before, he would have just lost his home and his car, now he's probably got to pay a settlement, face charges for arson and destruction of property, and otherwise just have a worse time. Good job, Greek guy. Now they're going to take everything else.[/QUOTE] Actually most stuff bought on loan is yours and the building itself is a collateral. But that doesn't mean the loaner doesn't have a number of rights to the thing as well. The exception are generally car, which are bought under a leasing contract where ownership really does transfer only after you pay it off.

[QUOTE=matt000024;42942687]So if you were low on cash you would go off into the forest and somehow manage to survive? You can hunt? You can stay warm in a cold winter? You can make your own toilet paper? You can heal yourself when sick while gathering food?[/QUOTE] I can hunt, and I can build a fire. But, honestly, if I were low on cash I could probably more easily sort something out with friends/family rather than having to traipse out into the forest. [editline]22nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=RenegadeCop;42942909]No one is going to go build a cabin in the woods, that's ridiculous for anyone to do. If it WAS a good option don't you think you'd see people doing it?[/QUOTE] I think the cabin in the woods thing's just hyperbole, or at least it was when I said it. But, again, Alone in the Wilderness. People do do that. There is a burgeoning community of people who traipse off into the woods and build cabins. Mostly in Alaska.

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;42942909]No one is going to go build a cabin in the woods, that's ridiculous for anyone to do. If it WAS a good option don't you think you'd see people doing it?[/QUOTE] Of course it's not a good option. Turns out building a house is kind of difficult, even if it's something as simple as a log cabin. So I really don't get how you can complain about needing to take out a loan to afford a modern house jam-packed full of all sorts of modern technology, because they're pretty expensive to build in the first place. If taking out a loan is an issue for you, well, then rent a house/apartment. It's easy to have decent shelter without negotiating with a bank, but if your idea of 'decent shelter' is 'a big house which I 100% own myself' then maybe your standards are a little unrealistic.

[QUOTE=Erector Beast;42942636]it is clearly as easily done as it is said[/QUOTE] As long as you purchase a home within your means and you don't let the bank fuck you on a loan because you were too lazy to read the contract and the fine print.

I'm very indecisive about this one; on the one hand, having to take out a loan that'll take years to pay off (with interest) to afford or to buy a house in the first place sucks and just goes to show how valuable something as necessary as the [I]ground beneath your feet[/I] has become worldwide these days... but on the other hand, burning all that shit to the ground because you can't/won't pay for it is a dumb idea because you still have to pay for it anyway

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;42942969]As long as you purchase a home within your means and you don't let the bank fuck you on a loan because you were too lazy to read the contract and the fine print.[/QUOTE] and you don't let life events happen to you.

[QUOTE=woolio1;42942927]I can hunt, and I can build a fire. [/QUOTE] It is not that simple. What if you get sick? What if you get injured? And what will you use as toilet paper? I honestly doubt you have the skill to survive out in the wild for extended periods of time. Watching reruns on Man vs Wild does not qualify one to be a professional survivalist.

Arson is fucking cool! Winner!

[QUOTE=yawmwen;42943014]and you don't let life events happen to you.[/QUOTE] insurance for when shit goes and gets fucked

[QUOTE=matt000024;42943021]It is not that simple. What if you get sick? What if you get injured? And what will you use as toilet paper? I honestly doubt you have the skill to survive out in the wild for extended periods of time. Watching reruns on Man vs Wild does not qualify one to be a professional survivalist.[/QUOTE] No. I don't. It was hyperbole, like the cabin in the woods example. I'm not sure if I should be surprised you're not getting this...

[quote]they found him sitting and watching the flames with a cigarette in his mouth. Witnesses said the man, who has been brought to justice, told firefighters: "Those sons of bitches are not going to take anything of mine."[/quote] it's like something out of a fucking movie