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[release]claims
Iranian TV has shown the first video footage of an advanced US drone aircraft that Tehran says it downed near the Afghan border.
The film was captioned "RQ170 - advanced US spy plane" and carried on the Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 1 channel.
The images show Iranian military officials inspecting the aircraft, which appears to be largely undamaged.
US officials have acknowledged the loss of the unmanned aircraft.
Pentagon officials said they were concerned about Iran possibly acquiring information about the technology.
The drone, known as a Sentinel, is the first such loss by the US.
The US has no diplomatic relations with Iran and US affairs in the country are dealt with via the Swiss embassy in Tehran.
Iranian media said the foreign ministry had summoned the Swiss envoy to to express its "strongest protest over the invasion of a US spy drone deep into its airspace".
It said the ministry had asked for an immediate explanation and had demanded compensation from Washington.
Nato has said that an unarmed reconnaissance aircraft had been flying a mission over western Afghanistan late last week when its operators lost control of it.
However, reports in the Iranian media said the drone had been brought down by Iranian forces.
A report in The New York Times on Thursday said the "stealth" drone had been part of a US surveillance programme mapping Iran's suspected nuclear sites.
The US and its allies suspect Iran of secretly trying to build a nuclear weapon - something Tehran strongly denies.
However, a recent report by the UN's nuclear watchdog said Iran had carried out tests "relevant to the development of a nuclear device".[/release]
Interesting piece of technology.
I found the original footage from Iran channel 1, its not in English but its a interesting watch.. its a captured stealth drone how is that not interesting.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD82u_IvH0o[/media]
Assuming that video is legitimate, then they really did hijack it by hacking. How else can anyone explain the excellent condition it is in?
If it was forced down(ie crashed) it would certainly be more damaged.
Iranians are good with computer hacking.
wel interesting
[QUOTE=Knuffelbeer;33628092]someone has the actual video footage? can some1 post it[/QUOTE]
Click the link?
Holy shit they weren't fucking around.
It's quite impressive they downed it. This thing is one of the most advanced pieces in arsenal of American Army.
there is alot more than just this. we actually dont even know the most advanced weapons of america
Wasn't there some sort of provision passed recently that said acts deemed "cyberwarfare" constituted declaring war?
[QUOTE=Knuffelbeer;33628124]there is alot more than just this. we actually dont even know the most advanced weapons of america[/QUOTE]
You are right, they also occassionally crash a to the point invisible helicopter into some fence.
Shut down USA.
To be fair I don't think many people felt that Iran were capable of doing this, if they actually did.
Crap, that thing's huge
oh you guys :rolleyes:
hahahaha, this after everyone was going on about how iran is too dumb to be able to pull something like that off, and how it must have just crashed due to a malfunction
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;33628011]Assuming that video is legitimate, then they really did hijack it by hacking. How else can anyone explain the excellent condition it is in?
If it was forced down(ie crashed) it would certainly be more damaged.[/QUOTE]
Didn't BDA say they have some kind of parachute thingy
[QUOTE=MisterM;33628160]Shut down USA.
To be fair I don't think many people felt that Iran were capable of doing this, if they actually did.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't have believed it. For one thing, I would expect that communications between controller and drone would have some sort of secret 'dead man' switch. Meaning, if the controller didn't send a specific encrypted signal within a certain time, the drone would self destruct no matter who was flying it.
So if they hacked this, they managed to penetrate pretty deep into the control systems...or the military is just really stupid with their designs.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;33628244]I wouldn't have believed it. For one thing, I would expect that communications between controller and drone would have some sort of secret 'dead man' switch. Meaning, if the controller didn't send a specific encrypted signal within a certain time, the drone would self destruct no matter who was flying it.
So if they hacked this, they managed to penetrate pretty deep into the control systems...or the military is just really stupid with their designs.[/QUOTE]
They probably just decoded the frequency used to send the signals.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33628293]They probably just decoded the frequency used to send the signals.[/QUOTE]
and then they pulsed the drone's ports
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33628293]They probably just decoded the frequency used to send the signals.[/QUOTE]
Or paid someone on the information on how it works.
Assuming it's real, and american, its a very nice piece of tech. However it is by far the most advanced tech the us military has.
I mean, you think the military doesn't keep secrets?
Anyways, I'm impressed if it was hacked over and landed by Iranians.
Although, i remain skeptical, you'd think america would put a deadman switch in their drones from preventing it from being captured if control was lost.
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;33628328]Assuming it's real, and american, its a very nice piece of tech. However it is by far the most advanced tech the us military has.
I mean, you think the military doesn't keep secrets?
Anyways, I'm impressed if it was hacked over and landed by Iranians.
Although, i remain skeptical, you'd think america would put a deadman switch in their drones from preventing it from being captured if control was lost.[/QUOTE]
I somewhat doubt them putting a kilogram of C4 inside of it.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;33628223]hahahaha, this after everyone was going on about how iran is too dumb to be able to pull something like that off, and how it must have just crashed due to a malfunction[/QUOTE]
I'm sure when one of these looses control, or contact with it's handler, it just makes an emergency landing where available. This isn't an episode of CSI style hacking, I'm sure these drones have some supreme safety measures for cyber warfare.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;33628223]hahahaha, this after everyone was going on about how iran is too dumb to be able to pull something like that off, and how it must have just crashed due to a malfunction[/QUOTE]
If Iran can hack phones they can hack drones: [URL]http://uk.ibtimes.com/articles/254045/20111122/pizza-hut-connection-cia-exposes-spies-iran.htm[/URL]
Also all we seem to be doing is assuming Iran is dumb as fuck so forget any effort in making things hard to hack or codes hard to break.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33628392]I'm sure when one of these looses control, or contact with it's handler, it just makes an emergency landing where available. This isn't an episode of CSI style hacking, I'm sure these drones have some supreme safety measures for cyber warfare.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for that Captain Conjecture
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;33628103]Holy shit they weren't fucking around.
It's quite impressive they downed it. This thing is one of the most advanced pieces in arsenal of American Army.[/QUOTE]
No, actually it is precisely the opposite. It is an intentionally low tech drone that is intended to be lost on occasion behind enemy lines.
The entire point of this design is that it contains nothing of value. That is why the RQ-170 exists.
For such an expensive aircraft I really doubt they would add a self destruct mechanism in it, if it were accidentally triggered then all that money was pretty much wasted.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33628392]I'm sure when one of these looses control, or contact with it's handler, it just makes an emergency landing where available. This isn't an episode of CSI style hacking, I'm sure these drones have some supreme safety measures for cyber warfare.[/QUOTE]
No need. They can return entirely on their own. No emergency landing necessary.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33628392]I'm sure when one of these looses control, or contact with it's handler, it just makes an emergency landing where available. This isn't an episode of CSI style hacking, I'm sure these drones have some supreme safety measures for cyber warfare.[/QUOTE]
fyi, just because it's made in america doesn't mean it's automatically impenetrable or impossible to hack
people underestimate iran too much
[QUOTE=GunFox;33628407]No, actually it is precisely the opposite. It is an intentionally low tech drone that is intended to be lost on occasion behind enemy lines.
The entire point of this design is that it contains nothing of value. That is why the RQ-170 exists.[/QUOTE]
Source? or are you just guessing.
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33628427]Source? or are you just guessing.[/QUOTE]
It's made entirely out of cereal boxes.
[QUOTE=GunFox;33628420]No need. They can return entirely on their own. No emergency landing necessary.[/QUOTE]
Seems a bit contradictory to say that it's a low tech drone then that it can return home independently. That would require some pretty impressive tech.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;33628244]I wouldn't have believed it. For one thing, I would expect that communications between controller and drone would have some sort of secret 'dead man' switch. Meaning, if the controller didn't send a specific encrypted signal within a certain time, the drone would self destruct no matter who was flying it.[/quote]
or have it return to base automatically
[QUOTE=GunFox;33628407]No, actually it is precisely the opposite. It is an intentionally low tech drone that is intended to be lost on occasion behind enemy lines.
The entire point of this design is that it contains nothing of value. That is why the RQ-170 exists.[/QUOTE]
the design contains nothing of value?
for a start, it's going to have pretty advanced control systems both to fly the aircraft (it's tailless, and flying a tailless plane isn't the easiest thing in the world) and allow autonomous or semi-autonomous operation
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;33628427]Source? or are you just guessing.[/QUOTE]
All we can do is guess, although aviation week is correct.
[url]http://www.defenceaviation.com/2011/05/lockheed-martin-rq-170-still-in-top-secrecy.html[/url]
The leading edge isn't conducive to stealth aircraft design, the doors for the landing gear are the wrong design, and above all else, the exhaust from the aircraft isn't covered.
All of which, despite sounding simple, are design features that the US has mastered, but are difficult to get right.
These are, of course, simply the things you can see. It also likely lacks the same stealth coating that covers up our proper stealth aircraft due to the sensitive nature of its composition and the simple fact that stealth drones would cost far too much to operate, thereby negating the benefits of drones (in part).
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