What makes a Man? - General

You know, given the fact I'm slightly old-fashioned when it comes to things like this and at times sentimental, as of late I've been wondering what are the values and expectations of a modern Man in society these days. [IMG]http://peipei1212.edublogs.org/files/2012/12/Juror-8-1sg56ls.jpg[/IMG] Just yesterday I watched "12 Angry Men". It's a movie from 1957, that involves a full-male cast and while all the characters have very varied personalities (you could say each of them are an archetype of something), they all share something in common: they all have that old-school masculinity (yeah, even Juror #2). And then I though of what I see everyday. Chubby, greasy fedoralords with kyphosis, lordosis, guys that dye their hair red or blue, skinny hipster kids, males whining about their troublesome relationship and being pussywhipped. Confidence, honor and dignity (which are in my humble opinion are some of the most valuable things one can have), you don't see those anymore. Maybe just three guys out of ten. What's up with this, are we really feminized to this point? Or do you call this progress? Or am I an artifact, still stuck in 20th century? [sp]yeah, I checked my CIS privilige this morning[/sp]

i haven't even [I]watched[/I] Twelve Angry Men and i know that this is not the intended message you were supposed to get [editline]13th October[/editline] also you're complaining on an internet forum about a lack of confidence in society rather than actually doing something, and bad-mouthing people behind their backs while you talk about their lack of honor. you're a caricature of everything that's wrong with your nostalgic conservative values.

Yes modern society has realized that gender roles are not required for a functioning society. Sorry you have to see guys outside of your societal norm though. [QUOTE=Cone;42508984]i haven't even [I]watched[/I] Twelve Angry Men and i know that this is not the intended message you were supposed to get[/QUOTE] You really should, it's terrific

a miserable little pile of secrets

Not complaining or showing extreme emotions when upset or being berated.

[QUOTE=Cone;42508984]i haven't even [I]watched[/I] Twelve Angry Men and i know that this is not the intended message you were supposed to get[/QUOTE] It's not about the movie or interpretation of it, I know it's message is entirely different and I get it; it's just that this movie out of context pushed me to think about this.

Their beard.

Being able to do at least 10 pullups and being equipped with male reproductive organs is objectively the sole requirements for being a man. [QUOTE=HammeredDog;42508903]Chubby, greasy fedoralords with kyphosis, lordosis[/QUOTE] But having a kyphosis and lordosis is normal op, check your vertebral privilege.

You must be swift as a coursing river, With all the force of a great typhoon, With all the strength of a raging fire, Mysterious as the dark side of the moon.

Drinking Martini and smacking your wife after a hard honest day of work is what makes a man a man.

Big john. Guts. Sympathy.

ask bob dylan

lmao

MUSCLE

A big clit

Reading Bukowsky right now and while it's certainly an interesting read all of this "manly" shit can go fuck itself.

a Y chromosome usually. Rated dumb from Killuah. Oh the humanity.

OP has a point. But I believe that most men in their 20's return to more classical(mature) ways of expressing themselves and follow the same ideals. Our society just doesn't bash you for doing what you want (like it did before) and that makes teenagers and people stuck in their teen period try to exaggerate everything in them. I guess most men either follow the traditional cliche of a man, which includes being strong, reliable, cool and many other things, or don't succeed.

The conservative values of a 'man' do not apply today. The reason such values were ingrained into culture and were expected of any male was because such values were justified. I'm talking about a generation of men that have served in wars at young ages, I believe the masculinity part of society mainly stems from warfare. Old values like serving your country and doing what's right, have bred a generation of people who grew up as the most stereotypical "macho man" or "manly-man" we know today. Essentially, it was a generation that had reasons for having a set of rules and values by which they must follow. I believe having met or seen death at its most vulgar form at early adulthood plays a massive role in this. As the Western world began to rebuild itself after WW2, war took root elsewhere, and on a much smaller scale. Therefore, from the 60's all the way to the 90's we basically had a new generation of men that were 'untouched' by war or conflict, and as a result were raised under a different, more liberal and peaceful set of values. Thus began the period of heavy liberalization, from black rights to women rights, and so on. People were starting to rise up against warfare, and in huge numbers often outnumbering those in favor. After all that, we basically entered the internet-era and everything changed. As the world advanced and progressed further, war changed, our lives changed and our lived changed. What you describe as the "fedoralord wimpy dyed-hair guys" are a mere byproduct of the changing world. It's nothing but a form of rebellion for a generation that essentially, has no real purpose. I really hate to paraphrase Fight Club, but we do not have any wars or wide-spread, horrid oppression to unite us under the same flag for the common good. We have no world war to win and nothing serious enough to protest against and form a movement numbering in the tens of millions to stop a terrible war. We have a few -relatively- small things to protest and fight for, but we lack a common goal. Everyone is just doing their thing, and I dont think the blanket system of values our societies once had will come back again. Also seeing a 19 year old try to act like a conservative 40 year old WW2 veteran in the 60's is just as embarrassing to witness as the very same fedoralords you speak of, in my opinion. It's just so forced.

[QUOTE=Killuah;42509653]Reading Bukowsky right now and while it's certainly an interesting read all of this "manly" shit can go fuck itself.[/QUOTE] Being a European I don't know much about specifics of American literature. What's Bukowsky about, what exactly you're reading and would you recommend it?

depends on how many roads hes gotta walk down on

[QUOTE=HammeredDog;42508903] What's up with this, are we really feminized to this point?[/QUOTE] How come you don't like women I mean it's ok to prefer men but that's not very classically manly OP

OP, those typically teenage subcultures are, at least where I'm from, in the minority. Men where I live generally don't fit into any of those categories. Most just act and dress like typical contemporary men. I think maybe you're incorrectly observing the minority as the majority, or maybe because they're so different from "normal" people that they stand out to you more. I don't really understand why you'd model yourself on a post-War guy either. Living with that lifestyle/mentality is out of touch with today's way of living.

[QUOTE=HammeredDog;42509786]Being a European I don't know much about specifics of American literature. What's Bukowsky about, what exactly you're reading and would you recommend it?[/QUOTE] Self pity. Alcohol. Whores. Writing. Alcohol. Women. Life. Society. Violence. I read his short stories.

[QUOTE=HammeredDog;42508903]Confidence, honor and dignity (which are in my humble opinion are some of the most valuable things one can have) [/QUOTE] Ahahaha

[QUOTE=HammeredDog;42508903]What makes a man?[/QUOTE] Is it the power in his hands? Or is it his quest for glory?

[img]http://s15.postimg.org/vver9tx6z/a_man.png[/img] this makes a man

It's stigma like OP's that prevent me from dying my hair. I mean shit I want to do it because I do. Except assblasters like this guy continually push this shit that it's unmanly or feminine and that's bad and buck up and act like you got a penis, go shoot a deer and get a wife and have 20 kids and bring home to bacon. I need a shed of powertools and a muscle car and if I don't have a hearty breakfast made for me by my submissive housewife then I'm a fag. I'm a productive member of society, fuck you. I want to dye my hair, I should be able to dye my hair without people like you proclaiming I socially castrated myself. That goes for wearing a hat and being skinny, too. Shit, who gives a fuck? "Confidence, honor, and dignity". What a joke. Get some real values.

It's less about gender and being human. There should be no ideological differences between men and women, regardless of race or beliefs or "masculinity" or "feminity"; we're all human beings. That's what matters.

[QUOTE=Pernoccuous;42510119][img]http://s15.postimg.org/vver9tx6z/a_man.png[/img] this makes a man[/QUOTE] saint vicious, is that you?