Louis Theroux - The Nazis - General

[video=youtube;FqK2ILCq-do]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqK2ILCq-do[/video] This documentary is really interesting, I'm surprised how open these people are considering how bad they are.

There are two things that make me depressed above all else, and that's people like these and the fact that it's impossible to make anyone like them see how wrong they are.

Anyone who flys a swastika and pulls the whole "Oh but it was used before by things other than the Nazis" is bullshiting and they know it. They should at least own up to it, it's just their excuse to be a bit more racist.

[QUOTE=Fhux;40164137]There are two things that make me depressed above all else, and that's people like these and the fact that it's impossible to make anyone like them see how wrong they are.[/QUOTE] And a lot of them are raising kids to follow their bigoted views is pretty damn depressing and disgusting.

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;40164646]And a lot of them are raising kids to follow their bigoted views is pretty damn depressing and disgusting.[/QUOTE] Not only that but good luck getting anywhere in Western society when you're brought up a nazi. Basically ensuring your children have no future.

It's a shame such bigotry identifies itself as Nazis. The White Nationalist movement does nothing but damage any hope true National Socialism has on making a return.

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40164836]It's a shame such bigotry identifies itself as Nazis. The White Nationalist movement does nothing but damage any hope true National Socialism has on making a return.[/QUOTE] kill yourself

[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;40164932]kill yourself[/QUOTE] I'll get right on that.

Is it just me or does Louis kinda look like Robert Benfer?

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40164836]It's a shame such bigotry identifies itself as Nazis. The White Nationalist movement does nothing but damage any hope true National Socialism has on making a return.[/QUOTE] The Nazi Party were Fascists, 'National Socialism' were just meaningless words used to attract people to the party. If you are a socialist I see no reason why you would even barely associate yourself with Nazi ideologies.

one would think that losing a [I]world war[/I] would make your ideology die out i guess there's never a shortage of idiots in the world.

[QUOTE=DJK;40165623]The Nazi Party were Fascists, 'National Socialism' were just meaningless words used to attract people to the party.[/QUOTE] Is this a joke?

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40165725]Is this a joke?[/QUOTE] The Nazi Party tried to appeal to as many as people as possible to gain power. Do you seriously believe that Hitler and The Nazi's were socialists?

[QUOTE=DJK;40165758] Do you seriously believe that Hitler and The Nazi's were socialists?[/QUOTE] Yes. Hitler was one of the most patriotic men of his time, he loved Germany and it's people. But oh wait, he was an evil dictator, he couldn't possibly have done anything to benefit others but himself! My mistake.

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40165817]Yes. Hitler was one of the most patriotic men of his time, he loved Germany and it's people.[/QUOTE] The Jews who lived in Germany were German people. Many of them were born in Germany and I'm sure a lot of them loved their country. If Hitler loved Germany's people, why did he persecute and order the death of many of them just because of their religious belief? EDIT: Why are we even having this argument? The Nazi's were fascist assholes who don't deserve to be labelled as any kind of socialists. Fuck them.

[QUOTE=DJK;40165623]The Nazi Party were Fascists, 'National Socialism' were just meaningless words used to attract people to the party. If you are a socialist I see no reason why you would even barely associate yourself with Nazi ideologies.[/QUOTE] National socialism is fascism. The 'socialist' in national socialism derives from a misidentification of syndicalism. Fascism is a syndicated nationalist state- a step beyond the corporate state. The difference between a syndicalist and a fascist is the ruling power: in syndicalism, it's the working class. In fascism, it's the nation-state. By no means was it illegitimately called national socialism. It would be more accurate to call it national syndicalism, but considering how syndicalism is a form of socialism, it's not incorrect. In both state socialism and fascism, the focus is on the government commanding the resources: in socialism, for the sake of a working class state. In fascism: for the sake of a status quo maintenance of class dynamics. Many communists, socialists, and especially syndicalists became fascists leading into the 1930s. The practical differences between the state capitalism of Stalin's USSR and Mussolini's Corporate State were minor, in my opinion. But the ideological differences are immense. It's easy to see how someone brought up on a Stalinist conception of socialism could be sympathetic, as the USSR was until Hitler invaded, to fascism. However, to Trall: [img]http://www.crustpunks.com/images/followyourleader2.png[/img] As Trotsky once said (not really): "If you can not convince a fascist, acquaint his head with the pavement."

[QUOTE=DJK;40165874]If Hitler loved Germany's people, why did he persecute and order the death of many of them just because of their religious belief?[/QUOTE] Religious belief? Where are you getting this from? It had nothing to do with religion. The Jewish people of Germany were a minority, and yet they held control of a disproportionally large percentage of Germany's companies and economic power. Hitler and the Nazi party saw them as a plague and the reason why Germany was doing so poorly compared to the rest of the world. When Hitler came to power in just 6 years Germany went from one of the poorest nations to the one of the richest. This was all because of the Nazi parties policies and the shunning of the global bank and its capitalist virus.

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40165817]Yes. Hitler was one of the most patriotic men of his time, he loved Germany and it's people. But oh wait, he was an evil dictator, he couldn't possibly have done anything to benefit others but himself! My mistake.[/QUOTE] Are you really protecting Adolf Hitler? Like seriously? What is wrong with you?

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40165961]Religious belief? Where are you getting this from? It had nothing to do with religion. The Jewish people of Germany were a minority, and yet they held control of a disproportionally large percentage of Germany's companies and economic power. Hitler and the Nazi party saw them as a plague and the reason why Germany was doing so poorly compared to the rest of the world. When Hitler came to power in just 6 years Germany went from one of the poorest nations to the one of the richest. This was all because of the Nazi parties policies and the shunning of the global bank and its capitalist virus.[/QUOTE] Nothing to do with religion? As it stands, Judaism [i]is[/i] a religion.

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40165961]Religious belief? Where are you getting this from? It had nothing to do with religion. The Jewish people of Germany were a minority, and yet they held control of a disproportionally large percentage of Germany's companies and economic power. Hitler and the Nazi party saw them as a plague and the reason why Germany was doing so poorly compared to the rest of the world. When Hitler came to power in just 6 years Germany went from one of the poorest nations to the one of the richest. This was all because of the Nazi parties policies and the shunning of the global bank and its capitalist virus.[/QUOTE] Come on man. Don't try and justify what The Nazi Party did. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40165945'] The practical differences between the state capitalism of Stalin's USSR and Mussolini's Corporate State were minor, in my opinion. But the ideological differences are immense. It's easy to see how someone brought up on a Stalinist conception of socialism could be sympathetic, as the USSR was until Hitler invaded, to fascism. As Trotsky once said (not really): "If you can not convince a fascist, acquaint his head with the pavement."[/QUOTE] Stalin's conception of socialism could turn into fascism I guess, however it was also a terrible view of socialism. Liking that quote(?) btw.

I don't want to argue so I'm gonna drop this for the thread since it's kind of relevant. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lejfGhWeakY[/media] I watched this a long time ago, so I can't remember if it has any bias or hate messages but I don't think it does. Watch it, make what you will of it.

i literally can't take your posts seriously your avatar doesn't help either LOL

[QUOTE=DJK;40166015] Stalin's conception of socialism could turn into fascism I guess, however it was also a terrible view of socialism. Liking that quote(?) btw.[/QUOTE] The basic practical premise was there. Stalin's socialism was state capitalist by all means. An elite class, the nomenklatura, controlled the entire state and planned it that way. Stalin turned inward- socialism in one country- and formed some sort of nationalism. The primary differences were the levels of the nationalism and the overt goals of the state. Besides totalitarianism and state-centric planned economy, though, the two systems were extremely different. Both of them were incredibly complex. I'm reading "Fascists" by Michael Mann, and it's one hell of a book. 400 pages of case studies and determining the differences, similarities, and functions of fascism. All to define the term. So when I say they seem similar in practicality, don't take me as saying they were the same, or similar in ideology. and it's a fake quote from a movie, but it's often humorously told around leftist circles.

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40166161] I watched this a long time ago, so I can't remember if it has any bias or hate messages but I don't think it does. [b]Watch it, make what you will of it.[/b][/QUOTE] fox news, you decide...... [i]but it won't change our opinion if you disagree and will say you're not getting it[/i]

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;40164646]And a lot of them are raising kids to follow their bigoted views is pretty damn depressing and disgusting.[/QUOTE] Where's CPS when you actually need them?

You know, our political views maybe different but all of us have one thing in common that this documentary proved. "Everyone needs a popsicle."

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40164836]It's a shame such bigotry identifies itself as Nazis. The White Nationalist movement does nothing but damage any hope true National Socialism has on making a return.[/QUOTE] Uuh you realize National Socialism was doctrinally based off marx's writings Which ultimately required taking out the "volkerabfalle", racial trash Nazism is fucking rooted in racial supremacy

It's okay guys, Hitler only meant well. Sure, a few people died along the way but it's all about his intentions and all he meant was the best for a specific part of the german population and death to all others. Sure, there are better ways to express your good intentions and care for your country and people than genocide but hey, *some stupid argument drawing parallels to how other rulers of his time were actually worse*! Seriously, you can't just take hitler, blank out all the mass murder and then see something good at heart that somehow did't get tainted and distorted by all the death involved in your view. Someone needs to slap those nazi goggles off your head

The Karaoke place they went you is named Comstock :v: [editline]editline:[/editline] I finished watching all of it, this was pretty interesting. The way it ends is very touching though.

[QUOTE=Professer Trall;40165725]Is this a joke?[/QUOTE] You should study the promises Hitler made during the 1920's and early 30's to the workers and then how he sold them out once he came to power. Hitler cared about race alone. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Professer Trall;40165817]Yes. Hitler was one of the most patriotic men of his time, he loved Germany and it's people. But oh wait, he was an evil dictator, he couldn't possibly have done anything to benefit others but himself! My mistake.[/QUOTE] Patriotic for all the wrongs reasons. Men like Stresemann were nationalists too, but they were also believers in Liberty and Justice. [editline]5th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=DJK;40165758]The Nazi Party tried to appeal to as many as people as possible to gain power. Do you seriously believe that Hitler and The Nazi's were socialists?[/QUOTE] Some of them were but Hitler got rid of them long before the Nazi's came to power, especially the ones that wanted the party to join up with the KPD.