Oh no they didn't: Rocket fire signals end of the humanitarian truce in Gaza. - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Gaza (CNN) -- A tenuous cease-fire in Gaza appeared to be over Saturday, with militant rockets again hurtling toward Israel as diplomats pushed for a longer truce in a conflict that has killed more than 1,000 people -- mostly civilians. Israel had agreed to extend a humanitarian 12-hour cease-fire for four hours Saturday, but Hamas spokesman Abu Zuhri said there would be no extension. The cease-fire started at 8 a.m. Saturday (1 a.m. ET). The temporary truce enabled Palestinians to move medical supplies into Gaza, families to emerge from shelters and people to dig the dead from piles of rubble. The prospect of an extension faded quickly as the Israel Defense Forces accused militants of exploiting the humanitarian window by firing at Israel for the second time, with three rockets hitting the Sha'ar HaNegev regional council. Earlier Saturday, moments after the cease-fire officially ended, another three mortars were fired from Gaza and hit Israel in the Eshkol regional council. No casualties or damage were reported. At about 4 p.m. ET, IDF said four rockets had been fired in the last hour: two were intercepted above Ashkelon, one was intercepted above the Shfela region and another came down in the Hof Ashkelon regional council.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/26/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/url]

It's impossible to sympathize with any of the people in charge of both governments at this point. Sadly this could be seen coming a mile away. Again, as I was saying when the truce started. It's a calm before the storm.

[QUOTE=Tsyolin;45508568]It's impossible to sympathize with any of the people in charge of both governments at this point. Sadly this could be seen coming a mile away. Again, as I was saying when the truce started. It's a calm before the storm.[/QUOTE] The important distinction to make, however, is that violent action from Hamas entails firing a handful of rockets which are all either shot down or which land uselessly in empty fields whereas military action from Israel is the aforeseen barrage of shelling which has killed a thousand people in just a few weeks.

[QUOTE=Tsyolin;45508568]It's impossible to sympathize with any of the people in charge of both governments at this point. Sadly this could be seen coming a mile away. Again, as I was saying when the truce started. It's a calm before the storm.[/QUOTE] It's hardly before the storm when over 1000 people are already dead.

and when i said both sides are terrible, folks rated me dumb :v: never mind hamas was planning to use those tunnels to kill thousands, ffs they got 800.000 tons of concrete, thats a shitload of concrete. [url]http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/180007/concrete-facts-about-hamas[/url]

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;45508832]and when i said both sides are terrible, folks rated me dumb :v: [/QUOTE] "both sides are shit" is an extremely easy and non-constructive position to hold. It's also ignorant because regardless of your opinion that "both sides are shit" the US government still funds and supports Israel even after veritable massacres of civilians, while doing very little practical good for the west bank and gaza beyond providing completely frivolous moral support. Israel is not going to make the first steps, first concessions, and first sacrifices for peace when the US government is unconditionally providing military and economic funding and political support to Israel, regardless of the terrible actions of the Israeli government. Hamas is a two bit semi-terrorist organization that doesn't represent all of gaza, and cant possibly have any serious international oversight. Israel on the other hand needs to be held to a higher level of accountability due to their prosperity, defense capabilities, and US relations.

I'd guess that the only reason these "truces" happen is because Israel knows that the disorganization in Gaza is going to ensure that Gaza is the one that breaks the truce 10 out of 10 times, leaving Israel looking like the good guy.

[QUOTE]I'd guess that the only reason these "truces" happen is because Israel knows that the disorganization in Gaza is going to ensure that Gaza is the one that breaks the truce 10 out of 10 times, leaving Israel looking like the good guy.[/QUOTE] Believe me- very few people in the West regard Israel as the good guy. However, the U.A.E has actually agreed to pay for Israel's operation if they destroy Hamas.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45508702]The important distinction to make, however, is that violent action from Hamas entails firing a handful of rockets which are all either shot down or which land uselessly in empty fields whereas military action from Israel is the aforeseen barrage of shelling which has killed a thousand people in just a few weeks.[/QUOTE] So it's okay to fire rockets as long as the ones that might do damage are shot down?

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;45508999] Israel is not going to make the first steps, first concessions, and first sacrifices for peace when the US government is unconditionally providing military and economic funding and political support to Israel, regardless of the terrible actions of the Israeli government.[/QUOTE] Hey remember that time Israel made the first step and withdrew from a place called Gaza under US pressure?

[QUOTE=Tinter;45509449]So it's okay to fire rockets as long as the ones that might do damage are shot down?[/QUOTE] no, but is it okay to equate punching someone with cutting someones head off?

Wow they deserved some whopping for being dumb and throw rocks at the big bear Israel but i guess Israel is done giving them a lesson each time they go stupid and attack them. It's fucking suicide attacking them with the shit gear they have, wtf do are they thinking, "Alah will protect us from their massive Artillery, tanks and troops"?

[QUOTE=Marceline;45509395]Believe me- very few people in the West regard Israel as the good guy. However, the U.A.E has actually agreed to pay for Israel's operation if they destroy Hamas.[/QUOTE] Haha, what? The west sees Israel as one of its most valuable allies in the middle east for a reason. It is more stable than any Islamic state will ever be. Sorry to rain on the Israel hate parade, sure they have done some fucked up atrocities, but if any of you REALLY think another Islamic state would benefit the world, then I guess you haven't seen the past 100 years of conflict over there. You all need to look at the bigger picture. None of you flip out this bad when 200+ people are killed by terrorist Islamic groups, yet when an OFFENSIVE operation, declared by a state, claims civilians lives, its somehow so much worse. I don't think I'll ever understand the Facepunch hivemind, you guys are like hipsters and always root for the underdog no matter how bad they are.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;45508702]The important distinction to make, however, is that violent action from Hamas entails firing a handful of rockets which are all either shot down or which land uselessly in empty fields whereas military action from Israel is the aforeseen barrage of shelling which has killed a thousand people in just a few weeks.[/QUOTE] Say you're driving to work, and an angry looking man pulls alongside you in another car. He unloads a dozen rounds from a gun into your car, but miraculously you escape unharmed. Do you call the cops on him, or do you just go about your errands because you weren't hurt or killed?

[QUOTE=Marceline;45509395]Believe me- very few people in the West regard Israel as the good guy. However, the U.A.E has actually agreed to pay for Israel's operation if they destroy Hamas.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I forget how goddamn complicated the Middle Eastern political scene is, there's layers and layers of old rivalries, sub-ethnic (as in Arab on Arab) tension, religious disputes... it's just all crazy. [QUOTE=Lachz0r;45509751]no, but is it okay to equate punching someone with cutting someones head off?[/QUOTE]Except this isn't like that at all. Like, I don't know why some of the vehemently anti-Israel crowd (arbitrarily throwing you into a group for the sake of argument, I apologize if this bothers you) think these rockets aren't serious shit because they are. They're a slightly larger version of the old Katyusha rockets. You know, the same ones the Soviets used in WWII and gained such a hated reputation among the German soldiers that the Russians made it a point to [i]specifically use them[/i] just to terrorize their enemy? Yeah, those ones, these are an improved version of that. Mostly improved in the sense that they've been redesigned to use sugar motors and ANFO (or more likely urea nitrate/aluminum powder/kerosene) warheads, but they still pack enough punch to be a serious threat. One could say their use of slower explosives (as in, does not detonate as fast) is more deadly because they maul a huge gaping hole in concrete brick buildings rather than vaporize a relatively small part of the wall. So no, these rockets aren't a punch. They're more like being showered in blows from a goddamn warhammer, but you're right in that the Israeli response hasn't been very appropriate given the number of civilian casualties. [QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45510229]Haha, what? The west sees Israel as one of its most valuable allies in the middle east for a reason. It is more stable than any Islamic state will ever be. Sorry to rain on the Israel hate parade, sure they have done some fucked up atrocities, but if any of you REALLY think another Islamic state would benefit the world, then I guess you haven't seen the past 100 years of conflict over there. You all need to look at the bigger picture. None of you flip out this bad when 200+ people are killed by terrorist Islamic groups, yet when an OFFENSIVE operation, declared by a state, claims civilians lives, its somehow so much worse. I don't think I'll ever understand the Facepunch hivemind, you guys are like hipsters and always root for the underdog no matter how bad they are.[/QUOTE]Hey, just because they're an ally doesn't mean they're a good guy. Iran before the revolution was thoroughly a bad motherfucking place and the Shah wasn't a nice guy, but they were our BFFs because they didn't like the Soviets. So yeah, very few people in the West support Israel going in and bombing the piss out of innocent civilians and then going "yo we left you a note!!!!" or another weak ass excuse. Oh, and actually? I get pissed when anyone's killed for no goddamn reason, I don't discriminate who's doing the killing because my moral compass is very functional and I actually know the difference between right and wrong.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45510229]None of you flip out this bad when 200+ people are killed by terrorist Islamic groups, yet when an OFFENSIVE operation, declared by a state, claims civilians lives, its somehow so much worse.[/QUOTE] I feel like terrorists are almost expected to kill people, (that's why they are terrorists) on the other hand a state is suppose to like, not kill civilians and that is why it comes off as worse [B]edit:[/B] just to clarify it is obviously bad either way

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45509751]no, but is it okay to equate punching someone with cutting someones head off?[/QUOTE] If I needed a metaphor, it'd be shooting someone with a kevlar vest on, then not expecting to get shot back.

[QUOTE=krutomisi;45510297]I feel like terrorists are almost expected to kill people, (that's why they are terrorists) on the other hand a state is suppose to like, not kill civilians and that is why it comes off as worse[/QUOTE] still people dying..that really makes no fucking sense. Thats almost like the whole "black guy kills black guy, oh well, white/black guy kills black/white guy HOLY SHIT NATIONAL NEWS" scenario. If Hamas were to get a missile into a residential neighborhood in Israel I bet you sick fucks would be happy.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45510229] You all need to look at the bigger picture. None of you flip out this bad when 200+ people are killed by terrorist Islamic groups, yet when an OFFENSIVE operation, declared by a state, claims civilians lives, its somehow so much worse.[/QUOTE] How cynical do you have to be on a webforum to say that no-one flips out when 200+ people are killed by a terrorist group, you have some delusional issues.

[QUOTE=Sailor Mars;45510326]How cynical do you have to be on a webforum to say that no-one flips out when 200+ people are killed by a terrorist group, you have some delusional issues.[/QUOTE] How am I delusional, and also that's not what I was saying at all? I don't see nearly as explosive a reaction when a terrorist group does some shit, but when Israel does something, its like an enema of shitposting. I think this whole conflict is shitty yea, and that it would be wonderful for there to be less casualties, but when some people say anti-Semitic shit in a way to make themselves, i dont know, feel better about the situation, it's fucking annoying.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45510366]How am I delusional, and also that's not what I was saying at all? I don't see nearly as explosive a reaction when a terrorist group does some shit, but when Israel does something, its like an enema of shitposting. I think this whole conflict is shitty yea, and that it would be wonderful for there to be less casualties, but everyone saying anti-Semitic shit in a way to make themselves, i dont know, feel better about the situation is fucking annoying.[/QUOTE] Reaction from who? I'm pretty sure when a terrorist group does some shit lots of people are like "wow that sucks". You're delusional because you think somehow people on this forum have a hard-on for killing Jews, I don't think you're on point there pal.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45510366]How am I delusional, and also that's not what I was saying at all? I don't see nearly as explosive a reaction when a terrorist group does some shit, but when Israel does something, its like an enema of shitposting. I think this whole conflict is shitty yea, and that it would be wonderful for there to be less casualties, but everyone saying anti-Semitic shit in a way to make themselves, i dont know, feel better about the situation is fucking annoying.[/QUOTE]I have yet to see somebody make a post that shows support for a terrorist attack that kills a bunch of random people get anything other than a tsunami of boxes and a ban for shitposting. I don't know what kind of bizarro Facepunch you've been reading, but that doesn't happen here.

[QUOTE=Sailor Mars;45510384]Reaction from who? I'm pretty sure when a terrorist group does some shit lots of people are like "wow that sucks". You're delusional because you think somehow people on this forum have a hard-on for killing Jews, I don't think you're on point there pal.[/QUOTE] Dont throw words in my mouth lol, I didnt even say anything close to meaning that. I'm saying this forum has a hard on for hating Israel.

Though I will concede that this forum shows more empathy for their favorite videogames than human life, but you know that's the price you pay as a gamer.

[QUOTE=darunner;45510269]Say you're driving to work, and an angry looking man pulls alongside you in another car. He unloads a dozen rounds from a gun into your car, but miraculously you escape unharmed. Do you call the cops on him, or do you just go about your errands because you weren't hurt or killed?[/QUOTE] Arguing using metaphors is dumb and pointless. What I am saying is that it is important to emphasize the total disproportion of Israeli retaliation to dispel any notion that these two sides are "trading blows" and that trying to share a ceasefire between a modern, organized military and an irregular and illegitimate force who feel existentially threatened is futile and the Israeli government knows that. These doomed truces are a purely political tactic intended to save face and shift the culpability for Israeli attacks on Gaza onto Hamas.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45510395]Dont throw words in my mouth lol, I didnt even say anything close to meaning that. I'm saying this forum has a hard on for hating Israel.[/QUOTE] "None of you flip out this bad when 200+ people are killed by terrorist Islamic groups" Oh I'm sorry did I put some words in your mouth? You're the one who deserves an "lol", a real big "lol".

[QUOTE=darunner;45510269]Say you're driving to work, and an angry looking man pulls alongside you in another car. He unloads a dozen rounds from a gun into your car, but miraculously you escape unharmed. Do you call the cops on him, or do you just go about your errands because you weren't hurt or killed?[/QUOTE] You call the cops (the international community), you don't take out a personal vendetta against the guy who's clearly crazy enough to try shooting you again (bombing them back and not expecting more support for their cause). Seriously, the responses to (totally ineffective) bombings Israel has is not helping their cause remotely. Rather than just fucking up the enemy Palestinians in response to them bombing them, they're killing hundreds. And there isn't exactly anywhere the innocent ones can go, Israel have them pretty much walled off and wouldn't accept refugees anyway.

[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45510395]Dont throw words in my mouth lol, I didnt even say anything close to meaning that. I'm saying this forum has a hard on for hating Israel.[/QUOTE]Oh? [QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45510366]I think this whole conflict is shitty yea, and that it would be wonderful for there to be less casualties, but when some people say anti-Semitic shit in a way to make themselves, i dont know, feel better about the situation, it's fucking annoying.[/QUOTE] I don't know, to me this post makes it seem like you think Facepunch hates Jewish people. You said anti-Semitic, not anti-Israel, and there is a [i]clear[/i] difference between the two. [editline]oh and[/editline] I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, but it seems like (and I may be wrong) that you're under the incorrect impression that the majority of Facepunch users actually likes Hamas. You seem like a thorough pro-Israel type, so the lack of 100% agreement seems to have influenced you to come to such a conclusion. I'm just trying to head you off before this gets out of hand.

[QUOTE=darunner;45510269]Say you're driving to work, and an angry looking man pulls alongside you in another car. He unloads a dozen rounds from a gun into your car, but miraculously you escape unharmed. Do you call the cops on him, or do you just go about your errands because you weren't hurt or killed?[/QUOTE] That's an awful analogy, it pretends that Hamas rockets happen in a vacuum.

I love making analogies that disconnect events from the historical conditions that created them in order to seem like I'm really thoughtful about the Israeli-Gaza situation.