[quote]Republican congressional investigators expect a potential “smoking gun” establishing that the Obama administration spied on the Trump transition team, and possibly the president-elect himself, will be produced to the House Intelligence Committee this week, a source told Fox News.
Classified intelligence showing incidental collection of Trump team communications, purportedly seen by committee Chairman Devin Nunes, R-Calif., and described by him in vague terms at a bombshell Wednesday afternoon news conference, came from multiple sources, Capitol Hill sources told Fox News. The intelligence corroborated information about surveillance of the Trump team that was known to Nunes, sources said, even before President Trump accused his predecessor of having wiretappedhim in a series of now-infamous tweets posted on March 4.
The intelligence is said to leave no doubt the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump, according to sources.
The key to that conclusion is the unmasking of selected U.S. persons whose names appeared in the intelligence, the sources said, adding that the paper trail leaves no other plausible purpose for the unmasking other than to damage the incoming Trump administration.
The FBI hasn’t been responsive to the House Intelligence Committee’s request for documents, but the National Security Agency is expected to produce documents to the committee by Friday. The NSA document production is expected to produce more intelligence than Nunes has so far seen or described – including what one source described as a potential “smoking gun” establishing the spying.
Some time will be needed to properly assess the materials, with the likely result being that congressional investigators and attorneys won’t have a solid handle on the contents of the documents – and their implications – until next week.[/quote]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html[/url]
More fun speculation, and anticipation to see what this "smoking gun" is.
Local Republican establishes first known use of "verbal clickbait"
[I]We've got it, guys, we've got it! You [B]won't believe what it is![/B] Come to the next hearing to see what happens next![/I]
Given how many other potential 'smoking gun's there are pointing towards Russian collusion within Trump's campaign team and cabinet, I wouldn't be surprised if they were spied on, and honestly with the Russian connections out in the open already, I'd be a little worried if they weren't given at least some level of attention by the intelligence community in the US
[QUOTE=Sonador;52004143]Local Republican establishes first known use of "verbal clickbait"
[I]We've got it, guys, we've got it! You [B]won't believe what it is![/B] Come to the next hearing to see what happens next![/I][/QUOTE]
To be fair, it happens on the other side alot as well. Just gotta wait till you see the actual evidence that is verifiable.
[quote]The FBI has information that indicates associates of President Donald Trump communicated with suspected Russian operatives to possibly coordinate the release of information damaging to Hillary Clinton's campaign, US officials told CNN.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/politics/us-officials-info-suggests-trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians/index.html[/url]
it's going to be like rachel maddow but it wastes the government's time
Local man possibly committing crimes found to be under observation for potential crimes, more at 11
Outrageous wiretapping will pale in comparison to everything else (at least in the mind of anyone with sense) if this whole thing pans out in full
[QUOTE=Tudd;52004156]To be fair, it happens on the other side alot as well. Just gotta wait till you see the actual evidence that is verifiable.[/QUOTE]
It does, and I'm sure I'm going to hear about how this was yet another fart in the wind.
I'm beginning to see why you're so into this stuff, both sides are becoming more like the Keystone Kops every day.
Trump wasn't being spied on - he was [I]surrounded[/I] with people being spied on. Because those people were (are) talking to Russian operatives. Obviously, if Manafort is being investigated, some of Trump's communications will tie in. He was Trump's campaign manager. He lived in Trump Tower for ten years. He also was an undisclosed contracted agent of the Russian government.
This is a real cheap attempt by Fox to reframe the narrative from a federal investigation of Russian interference that implicates multiple people in the Trump campaign team and the Trump administration, replacing it with "obama put cameras in microwave trump was right."
Lock the entire administration up, it's long overdue.
i'll believe it when I see it (which I highly doubt I will)
1) fox news is lying (again) or 2) trump was talking to someone under survalence which is pretty fucking bad for him. the cia, nsa and fbi have all said they were not surveying or wiretapping him specifically
I may be the only one, but surveillance of the president elect is a good idea and shouldn't be questioned. Welcome to the big leagues where everything you do is logged and archived
[QUOTE=Code3Response;52004370]I may be the only one, but surveillance of the president elect is a good idea and shouldn't be questioned. Welcome to the big leagues where everything you do is logged and archived[/QUOTE]
I mean, shit, the US has a department for spying on the citizenry for the good of the nation, why can't the nation spy on the president for the good of the citizenry?
I'm being careful about hyping Trump possibly going down but it's a hell of a lot more likely than Obama maliciously spying on the campaign without probable cause. What do you expect when a guy like fucking Paul Manafort was the head of your campaign.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52004156]To be fair, it happens on the other side alot as well. Just gotta wait till you see the actual evidence that is verifiable.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/politics/us-officials-info-suggests-trump-associates-may-have-coordinated-with-russians/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]
Do you literally ever make an argument besides "w-well the left does bad things too!!!!!"
I don't see what's wrong with wiretapping Trump if they obtained a warrant. That's kind of how you get criminals.
[QUOTE=Fapplejack;52004891]Do you literally ever make an argument besides "w-well the left does bad things too!!!!!"[/QUOTE]
The post he responded to warranted it though. It singled out republicans.
[QUOTE=paul simon;52004974]The post he responded to warranted it though. It singled out republicans.[/QUOTE]
A republican.
The republican.
You know, the one that made the claim.
But yes, I did.
Somehow 'govt spied on person who spent time with suspicious persons' is supposed to be a bigger bombshell than the mounting likelihood that said person knowingly curried favor with a hostile foreign govt intent on undermining our country? Classic bait-and-switch bullshit...
C'mon, man.
Is there nothing that can be done about Tudd constantly posting this bullshit?
[QUOTE=geel9;52004938]I don't see what's wrong with wiretapping Trump if they obtained a warrant. That's kind of how you get criminals.[/QUOTE]
I guess it sort of rings "Watergate" alarm bells given the timing.
[quote] The intelligence is said to leave no doubt the Obama administration, in its closing days, was using the cover of legitimate surveillance on foreign targets to spy on President-elect Trump, according to sources.[/quote]
Lol nothing to see here folks. Nobody was fuckin' spying on Trump -- Trump was just in contact with people who [I]were[/I] under surveillance, which really only piles yet another layer on to the circumstantial evidence of his collision with hostile foreign governments.
This whole article is just Trump's lackey Nunes trying to distract from the real issues again.
Never would have expected less from Fox News or Tudd. Neverrrr
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52005576]Lol nothing to see here folks. Nobody was fuckin' spying on Trump -- Trump was just in contact with people who [I]were[/I] under surveillance, which really only piles yet another layer on to the circumstantial evidence of his collision with hostile foreign governments.
This whole article is just Trump's lackey Nunes trying to distract from the real issues again.[/QUOTE]
People need to remember [URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trump-endorsement-congress-231777"]Nunes buddied up to Flynn[/URL]:
[QUOTE=November 28th, 2016] Another House member with a direct line to Trump’s inner circle is Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes. The Californian wasn’t an initial endorser, but early this year, he made a standing offer to brief any of the Republican presidential hopefuls on national security issues.
[B]Trump’s campaign took him up on it in March. From those meetings, Nunes grew close with retired Army Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, a top Trump hand who has just been nominated to be the president-elect’s national security adviser.[/B]
Since the election, Trump’s camp has turned to Nunes for recommendations on filling national security posts. One of his suggested picks, Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.), was tapped for CIA director.
“Now that I’m on the [transition] executive committee, my phone is ringing off the hook from all over the country — people who know me are sending their résumés,” said Nunes, who received a call from Trump just hours before the news about Pompeo dropped.[/QUOTE]
Imagine being the head of the House Intelligence Committee and potentially disclosing sensitive information to an undisclosed foreign agent
[QUOTE=Sonador;52004397]I mean, shit, the US has a department for spying on the citizenry for the good of the nation, why can't the nation spy on the president for the good of the citizenry?[/QUOTE]
What happened here- US citizens becoming inadvertently involved in surveillance because they were talking with foreign agents- is exactly what the NSA was doing when this whole 'spying on the citizenry' bandwagon started. The practice that people decried as invasively Orwellian is now being lauded because it did exactly what it's supposed to do.
So sure, it's been both, and it'll continue to be both. They're the same thing. An intelligence agency monitors communications coming to or from foreign interests, and whether you call it police state overreach or 'for the good of the citizenry' depends on how much you like the information it turns up.
Welcome to the Big Brother timeline where people aren't just okay with being spied on by their government, they actually demand it.
Wouldn't surprise me if this is true, they certainly have/had the capability and a reason for doing so. It's best not to pretend the Obama administration were angels just because they weren't nearly as bad as Trumps'.
I'd rather fucking have the people who [b]deserve[/b] scrutiny spied upon ALONGSIDE normal people rather than just normal people. If we don't take both we'll only be given the latter, and to expect or demand neither is foolish. It's a shitshow in many ways.
The alleged dissemination and unmasking of Trump's people in the intelligence gathering does raise concern with me. I'm eager to see what this is, and if it's really so damning.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52007104]The alleged dissemination and unmasking of Trump's people in the intelligence gathering does raise concern with me. I'm eager to see what this is, and if it's really so damning.[/QUOTE]
It's going to be nothing, just like everything related to Trump probe has been. I'm sick of these announcements that never surface any concrete or actionable material. It's just clouds of FUD floating back and forth across the aisle.
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