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Get hyped CMDR
More info if u want: [url]http://www.gamesradar.com/elite-dangerous-horizons-will-let-you-land-planets/[/url]
Hype train frameshift drive charging...
Not sure what I think of the pricing. I mean, there's a lot of content coming to justify the high price, and yeah, there's a loyalty discount, but I still feel pre-existing owners are kinda getting shafted.
[QUOTE=Merijn;48380729]Not sure what I think of the pricing. I mean, there's a lot of content coming to justify the high price, and yeah, there's a loyalty discount, but I still feel pre-existing owners are kinda getting shafted.[/QUOTE]
Yeah its pretty steep price wise, I mean I guess it kind of makes sense cuz its not a subscription and such but I feel like a $30 price tag would be more fair.
Should be way cheaper, I literally just bought E:D last week, I don't want to have to put down another £30 just for an expansion.
[QUOTE=Merijn;48380729]Not sure what I think of the pricing. I mean, there's a lot of content coming to justify the high price, and yeah, there's a loyalty discount, but I still feel pre-existing owners are kinda getting shafted.[/QUOTE]
Unless there's pretty much the same amount of content as the game, the price is far too much. The £10 "loyalty discount" (which is pretty much a joke) is only temporary, so the real price of the Expansion is £40 - the same as the game.
I sure am glad that Braben is gonna knock off £10 for an expansion for a game that I paid £55 for, whereas new players get both the base game and the expansion for £40. Loyalty discount my hiney.
Between this and the £10 voucher you get if you buy the game again on the Xbone at full price, in addition to the silly cosmetics costing a relative fortune compared to what you get out of it I'm starting to get a bit tired of their practices.
[QUOTE=FlyingDog;48380905]I sure am glad that Braben is gonna knock off £10 for an expansion for a game that I paid £55 for, whereas new players get both the base game and the expansion for £40. Loyalty discount my hiney.
Between this and the £10 voucher you get if you buy the game again on the Xbone at full price, in addition to the silly cosmetics costing a relative fortune compared to what you get out of it I'm starting to get a bit tired of their practices.[/QUOTE]
There are now just so many bad things they've done. I don't see how anyone can defend them, really.
E:D can fuck off at this point. People who bought the original game have been dealing with a bare bones-ish game for what, 8 months or even longer for people who backed their kickstarter. They insult us with giving xbone exclusive content and now want to charge us for an expansion that should have been included in the first place.
I'll be spending my expansion money on Star Citizen instead.
I feel bad because I paid over $100 when the game was still in early beta. $75 for the game and $50 for an expansion pass. Essentially, people who were very early to play the game now get every expansion for the price of $50 (assuming they paid for it), while people who just got the game 2 weeks ago have to basically buy the game twice to get an expansion...and yet players who buy the game [I]after[/I] the expansion is released will only have to pay for the base price of the game and will also receive the expansion.
It's a really fucked up model.
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Fucked up model or not though I still thoroughly enjoy this game in VR. It's probably one of the best experiences out there.
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48381824]I feel bad because I paid over $100 when the game was still in early beta. $75 for the game and $50 for an expansion pass. Essentially, people who were very early to play the game now get every expansion for the price of $50 (assuming they paid for it), while people who just got the game 2 weeks ago have to basically buy the game twice to get an expansion...and yet players who buy the game [I]after[/I] the expansion is released will only have to pay for the base price of the game and will also receive the expansion.
It's a really fucked up model.
[editline]5th August 2015[/editline]
Fucked up model or not though I still thoroughly enjoy this game in VR. It's probably one of the best experiences out there.[/QUOTE]
oculus is the only reason I've played ED. I backed it when it was still $75 and felt incredibly confused when the game still felt like a beta feature trial and they declared it released. The VR is good, but the experience beyond that was lacking and I thought they were going to be adding some core features over time instead of the dreaded "releasing important updates as paid content"
I got this game think I was gonna get really into it, but I played it for a while and while it was cool I didn't really feel like I was having fun.
[QUOTE=dai;48382293]oculus is the only reason I've played ED. I backed it when it was still $75 and felt incredibly confused when the game still felt like a beta feature trial and they declared it released. The VR is good, but the experience beyond that was lacking and I thought they were going to be adding some core features over time instead of the dreaded "releasing important updates as paid content"[/QUOTE]
Yeah same here, haven't played a single second of elite after selling my DK2 half a year ago
they literally told everyone what their plans were for the game from the start, they specifically said planet landing would come in a future expansion that would not be free
if you feel like you got "shafted" then you should do better research when you buy a product
and i don't even think ED is a good game
[QUOTE=JerryK;48385475]they literally told everyone what their plans were for the game from the start, they specifically said planet landing would come in a future expansion that would not be free
if you feel like you got "shafted" then you should do better research when you buy a product
and i don't even think ED is a good game[/QUOTE]
$60 is fucking ridiculous though. I'm not paying the price of the GAME for a feature that:
-no one is really that interested in beyond it being just a second layer to exploration and some really basic player interactions
-was pretty much promoted as an eventual core part of the game
-is going to be basically early access
-rolled out in phases
-no guarantee it will be good or be consistently (or at all) worked on
-won't even include all planets, just barren atmosphere-less ones
-and follows one broken and unfulfilling "large" update that no one wanted or asked for and one that will release that no one wants or asked for
Basically if they want players to buy this then is has to be much, muuuuch more than just "land on planets and check out the wreck and cool rocks and secret base" for $60. They should have been developing this for free instead of broken Power Play and boring CQC. And frankly the FPV walking/boarding and such would be a far more interesting thing that should roll out first.
[QUOTE=JerryK;48385475]they literally told everyone what their plans were for the game from the start, they specifically said planet landing would come in a future expansion that would not be free
if you feel like you got "shafted" then you should do better research when you buy a product
and i don't even think ED is a good game[/QUOTE]
You can still feel shafted even if you researched the game.
They've already reached the point where they are releasing paid expansions when the game is bare bones.
Not to mention the fact that the discount that we get is pitiful just for owning the game, when those who didn't own the game end up buying it + the expansion for the same price that the game was released at, so they essentially get the expansion for free.
I didn't support that shit when Guild Wars 2 did it, and I won't support that shit now.
what the fuck, if you charge good money for cosmetics you give out new gameplay features for free
this is how this works
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these prices are offensive
Elite Dangerous just made Evolve's DLC model look perfect compared to this heretical bullshit.
[QUOTE=JerryK;48385475]they literally told everyone what their plans were for the game from the start, they specifically said planet landing would come in a future expansion that would not be free
if you feel like you got "shafted" then you should do better research when you buy a product
and i don't even think ED is a good game[/QUOTE]
I feel shafted because I was presented with trailers full of crazy space battles and got eurotruck space simulator, featuring gameplay such as
• "decelerating progressively over the course of 12 minutes as you approach a point of interest on the other side of a solar system hoping it's something worthwhile"
• "slowly strafing in circles as you game an NPC's AI so you can just keep taking potshots til they die or unload cargo"
• "landing in one of [i]two[/i] unique space stations, a flying D20 or classic ring station, though they sorta have the same exact interior but don't worry we're gonna add trees under glass in higher wealth zones"
• (my personal favorite) "your starter system is a binary star, BUT the jump point to it is at the unpopulated useless star, so you have to fly 0.2c in [i]real time[/i] along a huge corridor between two ("relatively" close?) star systems with every other sod in the same boat, while you lag hardcore due to being in programmatically shitty space that shouldn't have accurate coordinates, let alone a high population of players clustered together"
the only thing I understand is they've added some more capital ship space battle action (more jousting than circling), and added a few satellite-esque stations, which are great because the few times I attempted to visit those there were no parking spots open for a while and some random idiot was going around shooting everybody without triggering the security units
I really wanted to love the game and paid into it under the promises of what was to come, but what shafted me was "oh by the way the beta you're playing is now public release, we're done adding stuff til the expansions come around, see ya later". I don't care about planetary landing, I didn't even expect the ability to walk around my hangar til after release, but it feels weird that I haven't seen much improvement before they showed up here touting big expensive expansion junk
[QUOTE=JerryK;48385475]they literally told everyone what their plans were for the game from the start, they specifically said planet landing would come in a future expansion that would not be free
if you feel like you got "shafted" then you should do better research when you buy a product
and i don't even think ED is a good game[/QUOTE]
I knew what I was buying into, but I didn't know I'd be getting a shell of a game for the year between major content releases.
I was in the beta, that means I get all of these updates for free right?
Even if I did, I feel shafted because it's going to shoo away any user base they had left.
Is there even a space radio yet..?
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Oh my god I guess not, you have to be a PREMIUM beta backer. Incredible. Going to ask for a refund.
[QUOTE=JerryK;48385475]they literally told everyone what their plans were for the game from the start, they specifically said planet landing would come in a future expansion that would not be free
if you feel like you got "shafted" then you should do better research when you buy a product
[/QUOTE]
They [I]did[/I] say that expansion pack would be a separate purchase.
But people were thinking the pricing would be in the $10 to $30 range, not more expensive than the goddamn base game.
[QUOTE=Saber15;48387560]They [I]did[/I] say that expansion pack would be a separate purchase.
But people were thinking the pricing would be in the $10 to $30 range, not more expensive than the goddamn base game.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I could've bought the expansion pass but I decided to do the beta considering estimated content releases were $15-$30. If I knew expansions would be $60 each, I would've went with the lifetime expansion pass.
[QUOTE=dai;48387386]I feel shafted because I was presented with trailers full of crazy space battles and got eurotruck space simulator, featuring gameplay such as
• "decelerating progressively over the course of 12 minutes as you approach a point of interest on the other side of a solar system hoping it's something worthwhile"
• "slowly strafing in circles as you game an NPC's AI so you can just keep taking potshots til they die or unload cargo"
• "landing in one of [i]two[/i] unique space stations, a flying D20 or classic ring station, though they sorta have the same exact interior but don't worry we're gonna add trees under glass in higher wealth zones"
• (my personal favorite) "your starter system is a binary star, BUT the jump point to it is at the unpopulated useless star, so you have to fly 0.2c in [i]real time[/i] along a huge corridor between two ("relatively" close?) star systems with every other sod in the same boat, while you lag hardcore due to being in programmatically shitty space that shouldn't have accurate coordinates, let alone a high population of players clustered together"
the only thing I understand is they've added some more capital ship space battle action (more jousting than circling), and added a few satellite-esque stations, which are great because the few times I attempted to visit those there were no parking spots open for a while and some random idiot was going around shooting everybody without triggering the security units
I really wanted to love the game and paid into it under the promises of what was to come, but what shafted me was "oh by the way the beta you're playing is now public release, we're done adding stuff til the expansions come around, see ya later". I don't care about planetary landing, I didn't even expect the ability to walk around my hangar til after release, but it feels weird that I haven't seen much improvement before they showed up here touting big expensive expansion junk[/QUOTE]
The problem is their development model is focused on the wrong stuff. When it comes down to it, the core mechanics are perfect but there's not enough content to keep it refreshing. I hate that you can't specify jump targets in a system you're hyperspacing to, I hate that shields are more important than actual hull, I hate that there's no good variance in NPC interactions. But dammit, it's extremely satisfying when you find yourself in a near death experience with a blown canopy and low hull and no shields with 3 minutes of oxygen with literal death chasing you and you manage to escape because of actual skill, not some bullshit like a shield booster or spamming chaff. There are so many little details that have a HUGE impact on the gameplay. Heat is probably the most overlooked thing, but learning how to manage it can seriously mean dying or escaping when a swarm of heat seeking missiles is headed your way.
Point is, the gameplay is honestly solid. Battles don't become turning fights when you figure out how to best maneuver your ship.
The problem is there's not enough content, and the P2P based system for instancing is absolute shit but I don't think they can change that now.
I liked this game when I considered it a space trucking simulator, hauling cargo from one station to the next for a while, but then I tried doing some other stuff and realized there was no other stuff to do.
And to anyone saying they'll just buy Star Citizen instead, you're just going to get shafted on another unfinished game that's too ambitious for its own good.
I'm pretty disappointed with Elite to the point I forgot I even owned it for the past 6 months. Fuck all in the way of content, snore-fest combat, snore-fest fuckin everything. It's just fucking boring especially when you have to just press a few buttons every few minutes for a few hours just to get from point A-B, and paying [I]another fucking £40[/I] just to be able to land on a fucking asteroid isn't going to change that. Don't get me wrong, it looks amazing, it just isn't compelling at all. Once you've got a ship you're happy with, you're just making money to make more money. And guess what that is? Pointless. Now if there were [I]actual[/I] battles that required coordination between you and other players, and involved capital ships or proper frigates I could get behind that, but the warzones are just arenas of perpetually-spawning AI that are dumb as fuck and tiring to fight.
I was honestly hyped for Elite Dangerous but that completely changed when I found out that they were planning to wait on features that should of been in the game and putting past game features (ie: landing on planets) behind a fucking paywall.
It's more amazing at how Frontier is taking advanage of the community. You have the people who are aware this game is not worth what it is right now, and the people who call those people trolls and believe the game stands on it's legs with bare-bones content at 60$. The latter willing to drop even more money at 60$.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;48391202]And to anyone saying they'll just buy Star Citizen instead, you're just going to get shafted on another unfinished game that's too ambitious for its own good.[/QUOTE]
with just the two testbed maps and a fistful of ships to dink around in, I feel I've gotten both my SC money AND my ED money's worth out of SC so far. Looking into development it's going in a number of directions I was hoping for in ED. It has a lot of shit on its to-do list but I actually have faith in them through what they've provided in beta and all of the devtalk content they put out for the community.
Everybody had been super excited and just willing to take whatever ED dumped in their faces while SC has been the butt of every "2good2Btrue" and "it's gonna suck and you're all gonna be sorry" joke for years now and it really confuses me after experiencing the two of these games
I have high hopes for ED's expansion and[I] want it to succeed[/I], and while I really don't want to feel like that guy who shows up in X thread to boast about Y competitor doing the things I want, but damn if this isn't the time and place to air grievances over what ED has and potentially will continue to do wrong
[QUOTE=haloguy234;48390285]The problem is their development model is focused on the wrong stuff. When it comes down to it, the core mechanics are perfect but there's not enough content to keep it refreshing.
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Point is, the gameplay is honestly solid. Battles don't become turning fights when you figure out how to best maneuver your ship.
The problem is there's not enough content, and the P2P based system for instancing is absolute shit but I don't think they can change that now.[/QUOTE]
That's basically where I stand with Elite. I think they absolutely nailed a lot of the core gameplay. The game feels really good and plays really good when you're in the middle of doing something where you're flying or fighting. The problem is that they forgot to build a game [I]around[/I] all those core mechanics. It's especially problematic in the multiplayer side of things. Player interaction is actively discouraged, and I think that was the earliest and biggest misstep they took.
Elite is so much wasted potential. The tragedy of Elite is that Frontier made exactly the game they set out to make, a modern remake of Elite/Elite II, but that wasn't the game that most people wanted or expected.
I won't be able to buy the expansion because conversion rates from Canadian Dollar means I will have to spend $81.34.
Fuck that.
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