[QUOTE]EU will not hold informal talks with UK until it triggers Article 50 to leave, Germany, France and Italy insist.
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But there will be backroom discussions happening anyway.
So we have to work out how we're exiting without actually talking to anyone about it?
What a complete fucking shitshow.
Why would they not?
[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;50605043]Why would they not?[/QUOTE]
"Put up or shut up"
[QUOTE=Occlusion;50605022]So we have to work out how we're exiting without actually talking to anyone about it?
What a complete fucking shitshow.[/QUOTE]
Well technically they're just asking for the formal "okay, we're leaving for real now".
By Invoking Article 50, that starts a 2 year exit. They don't want to do negotiations before hand because that allows the UK more time. If they trigger it, and the 2 year count begins, that forces the UK to run around for those 2 years trying to make deals which then the EU can strong arm them into due to the time constraint.
The more time the UK has before Article 50, the better. It means they can do full on deals with non-eu countries and do backroom deals with EU nations.
[QUOTE=thejjokerr;50605085]Seems like the EU wants to get them out fast and sloppy as to scare of other countries from leaving.
Or not, I ain't no psychic[/QUOTE]
The EU is going to make this painful, thankfully for the UK since the Pound already went belly up they don't need to take as strong an approach anymore since the effects of Leaving are pretty apparent.
[QUOTE=thejjokerr;50605085]Seems like the EU wants to get them out fast and sloppy as to scare of other countries from leaving.
Or not, I ain't no psychic[/QUOTE]
Either that, or they're trying to prevent further market destabilization
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605076]By Invoking Article 50, that starts a 2 year exit. They don't want to do negotiations before hand because that allows the UK more time. If they trigger it, and the 2 year count begins, that forces the UK to run around for those 2 years trying to make deals which then the EU can strong arm them into due to the time constraint.
The more time the UK has before Article 50, the better. It means they can do full on deals with non-eu countries and do backroom deals with EU nations.[/QUOTE]
Your post are kinda annoying.
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[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605076]By Invoking Article 50, that starts a 2 year exit. They don't want to do negotiations before hand because that allows the UK more time. If they trigger it, and the 2 year count begins, that forces the UK to run around for those 2 years trying to make deals which then the EU can strong arm them into due to the time constraint.
The more time the UK has before Article 50, the better. It means they can do full on deals with non-eu countries and do backroom deals with EU nations.[/QUOTE]
Or it triggers companies to bail the fuck out because of uncertainty, you know, like they are already doing.
Just a bunch of bureaucrats having a fit because people don't like their club.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50605240]Just a bunch of bureaucrats having a fit because people don't like their club.[/QUOTE]
lol no
They're trying to get this done as fast as possible so things can stabilize again
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50605240]Just a bunch of bureaucrats having a fit because people don't like their club.[/QUOTE]
Wow, that's probably the worst summary of the situation I've heard yet.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50605240]Just a bunch of bureaucrats having a fit because people don't like their club.[/QUOTE]
Right, cause the EU are totally a bunch of childish middle schoolers.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50605240]Just a bunch of bureaucrats having a fit because people don't like their club.[/QUOTE]
they want to make sure no one else has the same idea.
I am not saying the EU is perfect by any means, it has plenty of issues, but pulling a brexit hurts everyone and solves nothing
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50605280]Right, cause the EU are totally a bunch of childish middle schoolers.[/QUOTE]
The leave voters are
[QUOTE=Boilrig;50605076]By Invoking Article 50, that starts a 2 year exit. They don't want to do negotiations before hand because that allows the UK more time. If they trigger it, and the 2 year count begins, that forces the UK to run around for those 2 years trying to make deals which then the EU can strong arm them into due to the time constraint.
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The more time the UK has before Article 50, the better[/B]. It means they can do full on deals with non-eu countries and do backroom deals with EU nations.[/QUOTE]
I agree, why don't we push it back, say, indefinitely?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;50605280]Right, cause the EU are totally a bunch of childish middle schoolers.[/QUOTE]
Say hello to Jean-Claude Juncker.
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10967168/Jean-Claude-Junckers-most-outrageous-political-quotations.html[/url]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/brexit-was-junckers-fault-and-he-must-go-says-czech-foreign-mini/[/url]
Your example of a Eurocrat.
its not like the EU is making a good case for the UK to stay at this point
[QUOTE=Map in a box;50605626]its not like the EU is making a good case for the UK to stay at this point[/QUOTE]
Why would they want to keep us? We've been toxic to the world economy in this referendum, and over the 40 years we've been in the EU, we've been a headache for the other members. They're probably glad to be rid of us.
What do you expect? The UK hasn't officially started to leave until the invocation of Article 50. Before any talks can actually begin, the UK must commit to leaving the EU by invoking article 50, which it has not. You want to start talks? Commit yourself to leaving, it's that simple.
tbh I don't blame the EU for wanting to be rid of us and our 'special snowflake, muh empire' attitude.
[QUOTE=CMB Unit 01;50605646]Why would they want to keep us? We've been toxic to the world economy in this referendum, and over the 40 years we've been in the EU, we've been a headache for the other members. They're probably glad to be rid of us.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean negotiations couldn't be made for the betterment of all the nations. "Oh you're leaving the EU, we're going to not have talks about our issues for the potential betterment of the EU and UK!"
Well they want it over with because investors doesn't feel safe when britain is on the fence. The longer britain waits on invoking Lisbon treaty the more damaging it is.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;50605271]lol no
They're trying to get this done as fast as possible so things can stabilize again[/QUOTE]
Which won't happen since the UK itself doesn't know how to continue now, especially since they're gonna wait until a new PM is elected in October.
And the option to go back on it also unlikely, so it's gonna be pretty ugly for all parties involved.
Basically the UE seems to be butthurt. That's it! Like children. Beig mad. Because the second one simply do want to play some game the first one wants.
The real face of European Union.
[QUOTE=Knurr;50606460]Basically the UE seems to be butthurt. That's it! Like children. Beig mad. Because the second one simply do want to play some game the first one wants.
The real face of European Union.[/QUOTE]
Go home Poland, your drunk.
[QUOTE=Knurr;50606460]Basically the UE seems to be butthurt. That's it! Like children. Beig mad. Because the second one simply do want to play some game the first one wants.
The real face of European Union.[/QUOTE]
It's easy to put it down to childish demeanor and harder to come up with actual sound evidence. Like the fact that all cooperation with Britain through the EU has been put into doubt, especially with no knowledge of how long it's gonna take for new terms to be negotiated.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;50605022]So we have to work out how we're exiting without actually talking to anyone about it?
What a complete fucking shitshow.[/QUOTE]
More like you either start the exit process by declaring your legal intent or you stop whingeing about the EU. The current plan of waiting at least a year or more to invoke article 50 is unsustainable
Once article 50 has been legally invoked then the talks can begin
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