• Norway Conservatives win general election
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24014551[/url] [quote]Norwegian centre-right leader Erna Solberg is set to form a new government after Labour Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg admitted election defeat. Ms Solberg described her win as "a historic election victory for the right-wing parties". Her Conservative Party is widely expected to form a government with the anti-immigration Progress Party.[/quote]
I'm guessing Norwegian conservatives are basically the equivalent of our Gay Wicca Free Love Party?
Anti immigration but named progress party. What.
Norway is so liberal that even their conservative party has liberal values. Sometimes
Not that I'm very interested in politics but it'll be interesting to see how this affects anything.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42136590]Anti immigration but named progress party. What.[/QUOTE] Well progress does mean change, maybe Norway is so progressive compared to the rest of us that there idea of progressive is heading in the opposite direction that ours is. If that makes sense.
iirc they're for making the laws on immigration stricter, because right now, a lot of criminals are getting in just to immediately start selling drugs and leeching off welfare.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42136590]Anti immigration but named progress party. What.[/QUOTE] People like good sounding names. Doesn't necessarily mean it fits with the beliefs. Nazis weren't exactly "socialists" :v:
It seems like they ran won the absurdity of Brevik getting 20 years and the perceived violence immigrants bring.
[QUOTE]Her Conservative Party is widely expected to form a government with the anti-immigration Progress Party.[/QUOTE] Good for you Norway, I hope it will be so. It may still be awhile yet for Sweden to come to its senses too, but we'll get there. In almost exactly a year from now we will have the elections in Sweden, and I'm excited to see some real progress.
Fucking immigrants literally destroying everything that has ever existed, I'm glad someone [I]finally[/I] came to their senses and supported a policy of xenophobia!
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42136872]Fucking immigrants literally destroying everything that has ever existed, I'm glad someone [I]finally[/I] came to their senses and supported a policy of xenophobia![/QUOTE] except no one is pushing that policy. You're foolish to believe criminals aren't exploiting Norway's current immigration policy. Heck even in my town certain immigrants are doing courses on how to exploit the welfare system. Just to clarify, the majority of immigrants are legit wonderful people, but there are bad apples, and right now the current policy is too easy to exploit.
if i can't compete in the workplace with someone who works cheaper than i do that's just business, but suddenly because that guy is from a different country than i am it's just him being an evil immigrant and snatching up all our jobs? paying workers less is literally a fundamental part of business and will naturally help maintain profits far more easily, so of course any businessman worth his salt is going to hire immigrants over you guys. either lower your standards for this shitty economy or stop blaming the immigrants.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42136872]Fucking immigrants literally destroying everything that has ever existed, I'm glad someone [I]finally[/I] came to their senses and supported a policy of xenophobia![/QUOTE] Why do you exaggerate so much? Nobody said immigrants destroy everything. Nobody's supporting a "policy of xenophobia". Nobody's talking about putting the immigration to an abrupt end. Nobody's talking about kicking out foreigners. Do you realize Sweden is one of the top countries that take in the most refugees and immigrants compared to its population? Do you realize what kind of impact that has? Sweden needs to go back to the healthy, working and balanced immigration we had prior to the gates to hell that were opened in 1975. Immigration before that worked flawlessly, and people really did get integrated into the society. Both Norway and Denmark are miles ahead of Sweden on this. [QUOTE=Cone;42137016]if i can't compete in the workplace with someone who works cheaper than i do that's just business, but suddenly because that guy is from a different country than i am it's just him being an evil immigrant and snatching up all our jobs? paying workers less is literally a fundamental part of business and will naturally help maintain profits far more easily, so of course any businessman worth his salt is going to hire immigrants over you guys. either lower your standards for this shitty economy or stop blaming the immigrants.[/QUOTE] Wow, you're not even close to understanding the problem. Besides, wage dumping is not ok. We already have a high unemployment in Sweden, why should immigrants that barely speak Swedish be a bigger priority than anyone else? In Sweden companies are actually funded by the state if they hire immigrants instead of Swedes. Immigrants also get a lot of different welfare funds. Discrimination is not ok. Building a society on inequalities is not a good idea. But extra support for integration is good, learning the language is the first step of many. I've said it so many times and I'll say it again. It's not [I]the immigrants[/I] we are blaming, it's [I]how the immigration to our countries[/I] is being handled that is the problem here. A lot of people seem to overlook that when they read "anti-immigration party", thinking it's some backwards white-supremacist group of people you'd find in the USA.
[QUOTE=Cone;42137016]if i can't compete in the workplace with someone who works cheaper than i do that's just business, but suddenly because that guy is from a different country than i am it's just him being an evil immigrant and snatching up all our jobs? paying workers less is literally a fundamental part of business and will naturally help maintain profits far more easily, so of course any businessman worth his salt is going to hire immigrants over you guys. either lower your standards for this shitty economy or stop blaming the immigrants.[/QUOTE] What are you even on about? I'm talking about criminal activity, by people getting into the country because of fake IDs and loopholes. [url]http://www.osloby.no/nyheter/krim/Her-skjer-kriminaliteten-7301557.html#.Ui5q2MZmh8E[/url] Criminal acts ranging from narcotics, rape to human trafficking. People immigrating for work is only positive.
[QUOTE=Xavith;42137188] People immigrating for work is only positive.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, especially when you have high unemployment.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;42136590]Anti immigration but named progress party. What.[/QUOTE] my girlfriend is norwegian and immigration is a serious problem in norway. she informs me that they essentially just throw away all their money to immigrants.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42137319]Not necessarily, especially when you have high unemployment.[/QUOTE] Probably for other existing workers yeah, but for local industries, and the economy it's a gold mine. Though I don't know enough about that :v:
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42137382]my girlfriend is norwegian and immigration is a serious problem in norway. she informs me that they essentially just throw away all their money to immigrants.[/QUOTE] I'm sure she's an expert on government policy and economics.
[QUOTE=Megafan;42137599]I'm sure she's an expert on government policy and economics.[/QUOTE] she's a person who lived in norway for 18 years and witnesses the effects of immigration first hand. I did my own research about it afterward, discovered things such as the 90% immigrant rate of perpetrators of violent crimes in oslo, and the fact that that immigrants are just given money every month simply for being immigrants, which is not only a waste of money that could be used for much more logical things but also runs the risk of attracting far too many immigrants and causing a crisis somewhere down the line.
Just a reminder to some people: Norway has a different definition of conservative, so we won't be adopting GOP principles anytime soon
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42136793]It seems like they ran won the absurdity of Brevik getting 20 years and the perceived violence immigrants bring.[/QUOTE] He got life. It says 21 years, but at 20 or 19 they will have to consider if he should be released or given another 21. They can keep him there until he dies.
This is a really good thing for people living in the cities, but not good for people in the country side.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;42138991]Just a reminder to some people: Norway has a different definition of conservative, so we won't be adopting GOP principles anytime soon[/QUOTE] Just a reminder: Europe has an entirely different concept of consevative than the USA Our Christian-democrat conservatives have been part of the coalition for longer than I can remember and they didn't even vote against gay marriage, just abstained while all other parties voted in favour Belgium just rolls like that I guess
[QUOTE=Megafan;42137599]I'm sure she's an expert on government policy and economics.[/QUOTE] better than you at least
[QUOTE=Megafan;42137599]I'm sure she's an expert on government policy and economics.[/QUOTE] It doesnt take much of a braincell to understand that if you make it more profitable to sit on your ass doing nothing in scandinavia, than it is working your ass off in whatever struggling nation you come from. Theres going to be a massive influx of people with completely different moral values, work ethics and backgrounds, so not only are these highly invasive cultures going to cause alot of tension with the nordic one. Theyre also going to duke it out amongst each other. That and the average middle eastern person who immigrates have absolutely no work skills, and even less motivation.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;42136872]Fucking immigrants literally destroying everything that has ever existed, I'm glad someone [I]finally[/I] came to their senses and supported a policy of xenophobia![/QUOTE] A policy of sending criminal immigrants out of the country is xenophobic um okay
I don't mind the Conservative Party (Høyre), but the Progress Party (FrP) can go fuck itself.
[QUOTE=Sprockethead;42139767]It doesnt take much of a braincell to understand that if you make it more profitable to sit on your ass doing nothing in scandinavia, than it is working your ass off in whatever struggling nation you come from. Theres going to be a massive influx of people with completely different moral values, work ethics and backgrounds, so not only are these highly invasive cultures going to cause alot of tension with the nordic one. Theyre also going to duke it out amongst each other. That and the average middle eastern person who immigrates have absolutely no work skills, and even less motivation.[/QUOTE] But you realise of course that the welfare programmes in any given country are usually related to the minimum standard of living in that country, and there will always be some other poorer country where your minimum is higher than their average. Unless your argument is to have welfare programmes leave people consistently below the poverty line (or none at all), what you're saying makes no sense.
[QUOTE=Megafan;42139882]But you realise of course that the welfare programmes in any given country are usually related to the minimum standard of living in that country, and there will always be some other poorer country where your minimum is higher than their average. Unless your argument is to have welfare programmes leave people consistently below the poverty line (or none at all), what you're saying makes no sense.[/QUOTE] I dont believe youre helping situation with creating a welfare class. Introducing people into your system to simply sit there, use state funds, and put very little back, with little opportunity to change their situation. Since there is little incentive to hire these people over people who talk the native language. So what im getting at is, we are paying people for simply being here, and they are not particularly good company. But then again, Youd have a good argument stating that its pretty fucked that alot of the nato countries are over there with our pointless military bases causing instability in the middle east, and then barring our doors for the stragglers trying to get out of the way of bombings. Overall its a shitty situation.
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