At first I was thinking that he was a bit harsh, until I realized that the presentation was on the Israel/Palestinian conflict.
This is a good guy.
what a fucktard girl
"Offensive to people who've lived under Nazi rule" -starts crying-
It's not like she ever lived under Nazi rule? Why is she getting so emotional about it, I mean damn I've got friends who had grandparents in the holocaust and they never got that upset about it.
"I'M OFFENDED BECAUSE I HAVE SUFFERED...by staying at a massive, expensive university" Gah, talk about entitlement
[QUOTE=Winters;38572774]"Offensive to people who've lived under Nazi rule" -starts crying-
It's not like she ever lived under Nazi rule? Why is she getting so emotional about it, I mean damn I've got friends who had grandparents in the holocaust and they never got that upset about it.[/QUOTE]
It's called having mental problems.
[QUOTE=zombays;38572821]"I'M OFFENDED BECAUSE I HAVE SUFFERED...by staying at a massive, expensive university" Gah, talk about entitlement[/QUOTE]
Do you even know what you're saying?
OH SHIT, that was glorious.
He's right at the end, what kind of university are they at!? They're crazy!
The worst part about it is that it's true. If you're critisizing Israel suddenly you're an anti-semite and jew hater and about as bad as hitler.
It's just plain wrong but that's how it is unfortunately in today's society.
The fact that you can't critisize a certain state just because the majority of it's people are of a certain religion is just plain stupid.
That was amazing.
[QUOTE=Lizzrd;38574606]The worst part about it is that it's true. If you're critisizing Israel suddenly you're an anti-semite and jew hater and about as bad as hitler.
It's just plain wrong but that's how it is unfortunately in today's society.
The fact that you can't critisize a certain state just because the majority of it's people are of a certain religion is just plain stupid.[/QUOTE]
This is true, but it is has been popular and still is popular, to hate and jews. I don't know why but it is. You will find many more people that are anti-Israel than you will find pro in the world.
I know someone is going to come along and say, "The reason people are anti-Israel is because they are attacking defenseless people and are just hating them". To that I reply this. They are a growing nation and taking the west bank is to make their people's lives easier. Anyone else in the world (with the exception of maybe Africans) really can not even begin to comment on the moral implications of the conflict because of the fact that many countries would not have the land or the power they do without at some point being empirical and taking land from others.
Honestly, I don't understand why there is such a massive amount of focus on this issue. War is hell we know that from World War I, II, Korea, Vietnam, etc. News crews should just pull out and stop covering this conflict. So what if Israel has killed citizens in their attempts to annex the west bank? The US practically eliminated Native Americans in their march west. Pizarro destroyed the Incas to make way for Spain. There is nothing that puts any of us in a moral position to judge the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because almost all of us have benefited from this type of conflict.
Wow that became a rant
What the hell are Crocodile tears?
Fake tears.
[QUOTE=Oratrix;38575223]What the hell are Crocodile tears?[/QUOTE]
Does nobody google anymore?
[QUOTE=The Last Man;38575205]This is true, but it is has been popular and still is popular, to hate and jews. I don't know why but it is. You will find many more people that are anti-Israel than you will find pro in the world.
I know someone is going to come along and say, "The reason people are anti-Israel is because they are attacking defenseless people and are just hating them". To that I reply this. They are a growing nation and taking the west bank is to make their people's lives easier. Anyone else in the world (with the exception of maybe Africans) really can not even begin to comment on the moral implications of the conflict because of the fact that many countries would not have the land or the power they do without at some point being empirical and taking land from others.
Honestly, I don't understand why there is such a massive amount of focus on this issue. War is hell we know that from World War I, II, Korea, Vietnam, etc. News crews should just pull out and stop covering this conflict. So what if Israel has killed citizens in their attempts to annex the west bank? The US practically eliminated Native Americans in their march west. Pizarro destroyed the Incas to make way for Spain. There is nothing that puts any of us in a moral position to judge the Israeli-Palestinian conflict because almost all of us have benefited from this type of conflict.
Wow that became a rant[/QUOTE]
Oh wow, that is absolute horseshit. You're basically saying that discussion concerning ethical issues is irrelevant because atrocities have happened before? That was hundreds of years ago, this is happening NOW. This type of mentality halts progression.
And justifying the slaughtering and conquering of civilian people and territory by playing the "war is hell" card is just a way of evading how immoral and fucked up the situation is.
[QUOTE=NOR_92;38575559]Oh wow, that is absolute horseshit. You're basically saying that discussion concerning ethical issues are irrelevant because atrocities have happened before? That was hundreds of years ago, this is happening NOW. This type of mentality halts progression.
And justifying the slaughtering and conquering of civilian people and territory by playing the "war is hell" card is just a way of evading how immoral and fucked up the situation is.[/QUOTE]
The problem isn't that Israel is playing hardball or flexing military might.
It's that in doing so (whether directly or indirectly,) they are committing war crimes. Using historical examples does not justify anything - if you want to go that route, let's just use bio/chemical weapons and nukes again. Derp herp.
yeah baby
People will find anything to be offended by these days, just to get the moral higher ground and for more people to think that they've suffered more so they're given more thoughtfulness and "stepping on egg shells" when people discuss matters that have happened in their group's past.
Which in my opinion is fucking stupid
[QUOTE=Winters;38572774]"Offensive to people who've lived under Nazi rule" -starts crying-
It's not like she ever lived under Nazi rule? Why is she getting so emotional about it, I mean damn I've got friends who had grandparents in the holocaust and they never got that upset about it.[/QUOTE]
My great grandfather was killed by the nazis is a concentration camp, (I don't even know which camp or where his body is, if it wasn't burned) and I wouldn't act all like "ohhhh he said nazis! I'm offended!".
[QUOTE=Lizzrd;38574606]The worst part about it is that it's true. If you're critisizing Israel suddenly you're an anti-semite and jew hater and about as bad as hitler.
It's just plain wrong but that's how it is unfortunately in today's society.
The fact that you can't critisize a certain state just because the majority of it's people are of a certain religion is just plain stupid.[/QUOTE]
Same way you can't criticize a gay guy without being called a homophobe.
[QUOTE=NOR_92;38575559]Oh wow, that is absolute horseshit. You're basically saying that discussion concerning ethical issues is irrelevant because atrocities have happened before? That was hundreds of years ago, this is happening NOW. This type of mentality halts progression.
And justifying the slaughtering and conquering of civilian people and territory by playing the "war is hell" card is just a way of evading how immoral and fucked up the situation is.[/QUOTE]
There's a lot of people who will come up with ridiculous excuses just so they can ignore problems. Ignorance is bliss.
Holy shit she got fucking WRECKED!
That lady on the left is getting fucking brainbusted at 0:42
[QUOTE=The Last Man;38575205]This is true, but it is has been popular and still is popular, to hate and jews. I don't know why but it is. You will find many more people that are anti-Israel than you will find pro in the world.[/QUOTE]
Jews =/= Isreal.
that bitch is dumb
just because the holocaust happened doesn't justify giving Jews a double standard. (Like that guy said)
The real victims are the holocaust are people who actually have suffered. Not the people who just happen to be slightly related. I don't want to hear anyone of any race (African, Irish, etc) bitch about anything that doesn't directly effect them in major ways just because their X race.
It wasn't that he attacked Israel. He obviously compared Israel to Nazi Germany in his speech, which in my opinion is pretty disgusting. There's a big difference between a free, democratically elected state that gives equal rights to all it's citizens (including Arabs and Muslims) who do atrocious things against people who would do much worse things back if they had the chance and a regime that attempted to systematically murder an entire ethnic group that was completely innocent of all accusation.
That probably was the sickest burn known to man, you could see in her eyes how humiliated she felt :v:
[QUOTE=NOR_92;38575559]Oh wow, that is absolute horseshit. You're basically saying that discussion concerning ethical issues is irrelevant because atrocities have happened before? That was hundreds of years ago, this is happening NOW. This type of mentality halts progression.
And justifying the slaughtering and conquering of civilian people and territory by playing the "war is hell" card is just a way of evading how immoral and fucked up the situation is.[/QUOTE]
What type of progression are we talking about? Doesn't stop scientific progression, doesn't stop evolutionary progression, and certainly doesn't stop progression of Israel's population. Many people seem to think that Palestinian interests are more important than Israeli's. I don't know why when you consider Hamas is incredibly backwards socially. Sunni muslims in the Middle East treat their women like objects, have a general negative disposition towards any non-muslim, and still hold on to archaic methods of punishment. So you want to discuss morals, right? Don't forget there are two sides to each battle.
[QUOTE=The Last Man;38575205]The US practically eliminated Native Americans in their march west. Pizarro destroyed the Incas to make way for Spain. [/QUOTE]
Yeah man it's so similar, just a measly five centuries ago
[QUOTE=J!NX;38577985]that bitch is dumb
just because the holocaust happened doesn't justify giving Jews a double standard. (Like that guy said)
The real victims are the holocaust are people who actually have suffered. Not the people who just happen to be slightly related. I don't want to hear anyone of any race (African, Irish, etc) bitch about anything that doesn't directly effect them in major ways just because their X race.[/QUOTE]
Sorry for bringing this up but in a SH thread a while back I was trying to say the very same thing but regarding sexism. Many people, when they talk about sexism and misogyny, ect, act as if women and men are like hiveminds (suggesting people should be treated based on the overall situation and past experiences of the group they belong to rather than the situation of them as individuals) and trivialise individual instances of sexism against men just because women as a whole have suffered more from it (and vice versa). And iirc you disagreed with that at the time (apologies if i'm mistaken)
University of Waterloo, what a crazy bunch
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