• 16 year old shoots classmate he has been bullied by, stopped by teacher.
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[quote] (CNN) -- A 16-year-old student who blasted a California high school classroom with a shotgun Thursday was targeting two classmates because he felt he'd been bullied, the local sheriff said Thursday night. One student was hit and was in critical but stable condition Thursday night, and the shooter was in custody after a teacher and the school's campus supervisor talked him into putting his shotgun down. Kern County Sheriff Donny Youngblood said he did not know whether bullying had actually occurred between the Taft Union High School students. Rejection, bullying are risk factors among shooters "But certainly he (the shooter) believed that the two people he had targeted had bullied him," Youngblood said at an evening news conference in Taft, about 30 miles from Bakersfield. The young shooter was still being interrogated Thursday evening, Youngblood said, adding that the youth will be charged as a juvenile with attempted murder. It will be up to prosecutors to decide whether he should be charged as an adult, the sheriff said. Student: Gunman had a hit list Emotional gov. rejects guns in schools The name of the student in custody was not released. Youngblood laid out a detailed scenario of the hours before the shooting, saying the student planned the assault the night before, and took a shotgun belonging to his brother. Guns, guards and posses: Schools try new security strategies The student did not show up for school on time Thursday, Youngblood said, instead appearing about half through the first period of classes. He was caught on school surveillance cameras, the sheriff said, using a side entrance instead of the school's main door and "appearing nervous" as he tried to conceal the shotgun when he entered the school. The gunman fired directly at one student, who was hit, then as students rushed to flee, the gunman fired again, Youngblood said. "Miraculously, (the second shot) didn't injure anyone." Youngblood credited the teacher and the campus supervisor -- a campus monitor on the school's staff -- with bravely facing off with the young gunman. Youngblood identified the teacher as Ryan Heber and the campus supervisor as Kim Lee Fields. "They stood there face-to-face (with the gunman) not knowing whether he's going to turn that shotgun on them," Youngblood said. The assailant's pockets were "filled" with ammunition, Youngblood said, adding that he did not have an exact account of how many shotgun cartridges were recovered. Giffords, Kelly launch anti-gun group. In addition to the wounded student, who was being treated in a Bakersfield hospital, two other students -- both girls -- suffered injuries in the confusion amid the shooting, Youngblood said. One girl apparently close to the shotgun blast was taken to a hospital with hearing damage, authorities said. The second girl received minor injuries trying to flee, authorities said. The teacher suffered a pellet wound to the head from one of the shots fired earlier, authorities said. Earlier Thursday, Youngblood said the teacher and campus supervisor "engaged in a conversation that talked him into putting that shotgun down ... He (the student) said, 'I wasn't aiming at you,' and said the name of the student he was aiming at." Theater gunman 'intended to kill them all' Added Taft Police Chief Ed Whiting, "We commend the teacher and campus supervisor for all they did to bring this to a quick resolution before anybody else was harmed." An armed police officer is assigned to the school but he wasn't at the school at the time of the shooting because snowfall in the area prevented his arrival, authorities said. Investigators recovered a shotgun they believe was used in the incident, said Ray Pruitt of the Kern County Sheriff's Office. Former Marines differ on gun control Authorities were still searching and securing the school Thursday evening. Investigators also were searching student backpacks to ensure no additional firearms were in the school, Youngblood said. Tia Savea, who lives across the street from Taft's science building, said she saw a youth, about 15 or 16 years of age, walk by her window with a gun shortly before the shooting. She thought the gun was a toy, she said. The youth walked into the school, and Savea then heard two distinct shots, she said. Her son is a 10th grader at the high school, she said. Classes are canceled for Friday, and the school is scheduled to re-open, with additional counselors, on Monday, officials said. U.S. Rep. Kevin McCarthy expressed sympathies to the Taft community, which is in his district. "I am deeply saddened and troubled by news of the shooting," the Republican lawmaker said. U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-California, said her father attended Taft Union High, which she has visited over the years. "Today comes word of another tragic shooting at an American school," Feinstein said. "At this moment my thoughts and prayers are with the victims, and I wish them a speedy recovery. "But how many more shootings must there be in America before we come to the realization that guns and grievances do not belong together?" Feinstein said. [/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/10/us/california-school-shooting/index.html[/url]
Terrible and all but hey, at least he didn't go on a pointless murder-suicide killing spree.
[QUOTE=chipset;39182116]Terrible and all but hey, at least he didn't go on a pointless murder-suicide killing spree.[/QUOTE] True, I definately believe this debate going on around guns should be focused on mental health care moreso than firearms themselves. Also, it couldn't have hurt if the brother had been more responsible with storing the firearm, but that story isn't told.
Well, I guess don't bully or you'll be shot by a shotgun. :v:
when my dad was a cop, a local kid brought a gun to school and shot himself in the head in the middle of the cafe during lunch with like 200-300 kids in there. shit is terrible :/.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;39182200]when my dad was a cop, a local kid brought a gun to school and shot himself in the head in the middle of the cafe during lunch with like 200-300 kids in there. shit is terrible :/.[/QUOTE] Christ that's terrible, I can't even imagine being in the cafeteria when something like that would happen so suddenly.
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;39182146]Knew this would be because of bullying damnit. Almost had a similar incident at my school a couple of years ago and now we have controlled access points in our school. Doors can be remotely controlled and are set to a schedule which causes them to lock during the school day. They're using the full system too. The doors have LED indicators next to them letting you know if they're locked or not and teachers can scan their ids to open them.[/QUOTE] [i]It can't be bullying. We put millions into national anti-bulling measures every year. It has to be video games![/i] I love how over the last 20 years schools have been slowly turning into educational corrections centers. Whatever happened to beating the shit out the kid in the woods after school?
[QUOTE=chipset;39182116]Terrible and all but hey, at least he didn't go on a pointless murder-suicide killing spree.[/QUOTE] Well, it could've turned into one as soon as he would've finished his list. After all he could've realized that he fucked up big time and just get more of em. But yeah, luckily he was stopped.
Glad the teacher used the paragon interrupt to stop him.
[QUOTE=MIPS;39182256][i]It can't be bullying. We put millions into anti-bulling measures every year. It has to be video games![/i] I love how over the last 20 years schools have been slowly turning into educational corrections centers. Whatever happened to beating the shit out the kid in the woods after school?[/QUOTE] Beating kids in the woods? I'm sorry but we all don't live in the country. In city, we beat them under the football bleachers. :v:
[QUOTE=Boobie;39182226]Christ that's terrible, I can't even imagine being in the cafeteria when something like that would happen so suddenly.[/QUOTE] I know. The meal time would just be ruined by that.
The only thing stopping this from turning into a full-blown mass shooting was that [i]the shooter[/i] decided not to. If he had turned that gun on the faculty, they would be dead. Anyone could walk into a school with a gun and there isn't anything they would be able to do about it. This has to change.
That sheriff's got a cool name.
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;39182341]Now what's funny about that is that our cafeteria food is provided by an organization that also provides food for prisons :v: (the food is terrible)[/QUOTE] Sodexo?
If I had a gun back in secondary school I'd probably have shot it up from bullying.
The government's conspiracy to rally the people against guns continues!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgvo5OY9130[/media]
[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;39182161]I kind of feel for the kid, but he should have gotten help.[/QUOTE] In most cases this just isn't possible. I was heavily bullied in school starting from 4th grade all the way up until the end of highschool. Dealing with it is [I]extremely[/I] difficult. I can understand the position some of these kids are in that start lashing out by killing themselves or attempting to kill others, yes it gets [I]that bad.[/I] I don't think there's any kid out there that gets bullied that doesn't contemplate suicide or taking out the people that cause you harm. If you've ever been bullied in school, you know that getting help is extremely difficult in most cases. In an era where schools are trying to cut costs, the first thing to go are usually student support staff (counselors, etc.) This leaves you to deal directly with teachers who often give fuck all about individual student problems or principals that are already overloaded with work and can't help you on a one on one basis. And you'd think that even if the public education system won't help you, that your parents will; This isn't the case either. Many parents don't understand what their children go through, and my mom certainly didn't. You're basically left to fend for yourself between a rock and a hard place.
Until the underlying issue of mental health care and bullying in schools is addressed, stuff like this is going to continue to happen. No amount of gun control is going to stop it from happening, and I predict that since the sensationalist idiot media keeps blasting these stories around, stuff like this is going to become more frequent. Already heavily troubled individuals are going to see this as a viable option to try and escape their hardship.
The guy needs to be rehabilitated so he knows the proper way to deal with bullies not thrown into a jail for a few years
[QUOTE=bohb;39182384]If you've ever been bullied in school[/QUOTE] as a side point, I [i]really[/i] can't take the term 'bully'/'bullied' as seriously as it should be taken in cases like yours. 'bullying' to me was always the kid in third grade who pushed you around til you gave him lunch money during recess or just made fun of you for something like glasses or hair color or whatever. You know, trivial shit. where's the line where it's finally called harassment and verbal/physical assault?
[QUOTE=daijitsu;39182563]where's the line where it's finally called harassment and verbal/physical assault?[/QUOTE] In school teachers really don't give a shit. I spent 3 years at school being bullied, reporting it, being the good student. They practically ignored me, my parents ignored me. In the end I actually started misbehaving because that was the only way teachers would pay any attention to me.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;39182563]as a side point, I [i]really[/i] can't take the term 'bully'/'bullied' as seriously as it should be taken in cases like yours. 'bullying' to me was always the kid in third grade who pushed you around til you gave him lunch money during recess or just made fun of you for something like glasses or hair color or whatever. You know, trivial shit. where's the line where it's finally called harassment and verbal/physical assault?[/QUOTE] In my case, I was physically assaulted numerous times (sucker punched, hit in the face, knocked down, etc.) as well as having personal belongings hidden/stolen frequently. Out of the dozens of times it happened, only two instances where the other kid was punished and it was usually a slap on the wrist for them. But even if you're only subject to the "trivial" stuff like name calling or being shunned from the social structure, it's still difficult to deal with. Not everyone has thick skin, everyone has a different breaking point. Kids shouldn't have to deal with even minor things like name calling in school.
[QUOTE=bohb;39182384]In most cases this just isn't possible. I was heavily bullied in school starting from 4th grade all the way up until the end of highschool. Dealing with it is [I]extremely[/I] difficult. I can understand the position some of these kids are in that start lashing out by killing themselves or attempting to kill others, yes it gets [I]that bad.[/I] I don't think there's any kid out there that gets bullied that doesn't contemplate suicide or taking out the people that cause you harm. If you've ever been bullied in school, you know that getting help is extremely difficult in most cases. In an era where schools are trying to cut costs, the first thing to go are usually student support staff (counselors, etc.) This leaves you to deal directly with teachers who often give fuck all about individual student problems or principals that are already overloaded with work and can't help you on a one on one basis. And you'd think that even if the public education system won't help you, that your parents will; This isn't the case either. Many parents don't understand what their children go through, and my mom certainly didn't. You're basically left to fend for yourself between a rock and a hard place.[/QUOTE] It's definitely a tough situation, but the schools and institutions need to be doing something about it rather than just letting it fall by the wayside.
[QUOTE=bohb;39182692]In my case, I was physically assaulted numerous times (sucker punched, hit in the face, knocked down, etc.) as well as having personal belongings hidden/stolen frequently. Out of the dozens of times it happened, only two instances where the other kid was punished and it was usually a slap on the wrist for them. But even if you're only subject to the "trivial" stuff like name calling or being shunned from the social structure, it's still difficult to deal with. Not everyone has thick skin, everyone has a different breaking point. Kids shouldn't have to deal with even minor things like name calling in school.[/QUOTE] trivial by comparison to other things, not as a whole. What hurts, hurts. I've been through the wringer a lot myself, even teachers being the problem on a number of occasions. It's pretty tough getting help when people just assume you're just blaming teachers for being mean/hateful/evil/drunk when you don't do well in their classes
You push a human too far, sooner or later he'll start pushing back.
[QUOTE=MIPS;39182256][i]It can't be bullying. We put millions into national anti-bulling measures every year. It has to be video games![/i][/QUOTE] People who say this stuff look even more stupid to me, video games are literally the only reason i survived high-school. i dont really want to go into much detail about what happened to me but to give you an idea, two of the worst pyhsical incidents include me getting stabbed in art class and being attacked by a gang of 20 other students- luckly i was only stabbed with a craft knife so it wasnt that bad, it hit my ribs and didnt do any real damage. only thing they did to the kid was have a police officer come in and make him watch a video on how knife-crime can effect familys- and even then ,he got to go early for laughing the whole way through. i contemplated murdering the people who hurt me every day, hoping that the media coverage would bring some fucking attention to how much is allowed to go on. i considered commiting suicide even more frequently- even attempting to hang myself , only surviving becuase i was too scared to try again when i messed it up. the only time i wasnt utterly miserable was when i was playing TF2 or halo 3 and dawn of war with my friends, or mass effect/ me2, fallout 3 and oblivion on my own. the escapism provided by computer-games gave me pauses in what was the worst time of my life. now that im in college,my life has greatly improved, i have had numerous boyfriends and girlfriends- i am popular and i am self confident- and to know that i could have thrown it all away if not for computer games giving me a way to vent the extreme stress i was under makes me incredibly grateful such a medium exists, and very angry when people blame it for the very issue it helped me cope with.
Odd how they worded it. "because he'd felt that he was bullied" "The shooter believed that the two people he had targeted had bullied him" Is it just me, or does it sound like that he hasn't been bullied at all?
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;39182893]Odd how they worded it. "because he'd felt that he was bullied" "The shooter believed that the two people he had targeted had bullied him" Is it just me, or does it sound like that he hasn't been bullied at all?[/QUOTE] They always word it like that when you report it. Ive had peircings ripped out and they still worded it like that in the report.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;39182893]Odd how they worded it. "because he'd felt that he was bullied" "The shooter believed that the two people he had targeted had bullied him" Is it just me, or does it sound like that he hasn't been bullied at all?[/QUOTE] it really depends, what is considered bullying exactly? i'm with daijitsu on this
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