• San Diego Poll shows that 37% of Democrats and 71% of Republicans support Trumps Muslim Ban
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[URL="http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=fc0f576d-aa1e-4448-bac2-2d043d34d7f5"]Source[/URL] [quote]Yesterday, Donald Trump called for, quote, "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on." Do you strongly agree with this statement? Somewhat agree? Somewhat disagree? Or strongly disagree?[/quote] [B]EDIT: This linked graphic seems to be from a different poll then the one I have linked as a source. Sorry for any confusion I may have caused. [/B] [IMG]http://assets.bwbx.io/images/iiF0kSjBk5jQ/v1/-1x-1.jpg[/IMG] Republicans: Strongly Agree 53% Somewhat Agree 18% Somewhat Disagree 15% Strongly Disagree 14% Democrats: Strongly Agree 29% Somewhat Agree 8% Somewhat Disagree 13% Strongly Disagree 49% Other statistics included in the link. [IMG]http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/aresize/300x300/img/photos/2015/12/09/fd/3c/IMG_4687_1.jpg[/IMG]
The [B]First Amendment[/B] of the United States Constitution prohibits the impediment of freedom of religion, and yet people are somehow okay with this. Because it's totally not impediment of religious freedom if we forbid Muslims from entering the country! :downs: And it's unbelievable how so many of us are terrified of each other. At least be glad that terrorist groups aren't trying to scare Americans into knee-jerk reactions against Muslisms that would lead to further support of radicalism! Oh... wait.
This is sad.
[QUOTE=usaokay;49280784]I live in San Diego. It's pretty much the "Florida" of California.[/QUOTE] I never saw it as that.
[QUOTE=usaokay;49280784]I live in San Diego. It's pretty much the "Florida" of California.[/QUOTE] Hey, it's not that bad. Or, maybe it is. I don't get out much.
Fucking hell. Is this poll accurate? That's a pretty significant amount of morons.
imagine trump suggested they get rid of guns, it would be unconstitutional across the board
[QUOTE=codenamecueball;49280894]imagine trump suggested they get rid of guns, it would be unconstitutional across the board[/QUOTE] they're more comfortable with the idea of getting rid of an ethnic and/or religious group they dont like than they are with the idea of getting rid of guns
Seeing as its apparently "hip" to condemn a group for the actions of a few, how about we get rid of crazy people with too much money as well?
How many people were surveyed?
Am I misreading something or does the title not match the poll - 17% of likely Democrat voters agree and 37% of [I]all[/I] likely voters agree. [editline]9th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Gwoodman;49280962]How many people were surveyed?[/QUOTE] 605, it says so right under the graph.
[QUOTE=usaokay;49280784]I live in San Diego. It's pretty much the "Florida" of California.[/QUOTE] Well, the Florida of California in the way that all the Republicans are here, and that the weather is usually nice. We're also not a waiting room for the old. People do seem to like Trump around here though, I've seen many trump bumper stickers. My favorite being one with a picture of Trump's face that says "Trump that bitch" With Hillary Clinton's face next to bitch.
[QUOTE=usaokay;49280784]I live in San Diego. It's pretty much the "Florida" of California.[/QUOTE] Maybe Florida is the San Diego of the US.
i call bullshit
[QUOTE=dalton0419;49280775]The [B]First Amendment[/B] of the United States Constitution prohibits the impediment of freedom of religion, and yet people are somehow okay with this. Because it's totally not impediment of religious freedom if we forbid Muslims from entering the country![/QUOTE] That's the thing, they want freedom of religion but only for Christians.
[QUOTE=dalton0419;49280775]The [B]First Amendment[/B] of the United States Constitution prohibits the impediment of freedom of religion, and yet people are somehow okay with this. Because it's totally not impediment of religious freedom if we forbid Muslims from entering the country! :downs: And it's unbelievable how so many of us are terrified of each other. At least be glad that terrorist groups aren't trying to scare Americans into knee-jerk reactions against Muslisms that would lead to further support of radicalism! Oh... wait.[/QUOTE] It protects the rights of people under it's umbrella, IE: U.S. citizens. They aren't citizens yet, so they aren't protected by it.
They aren't citizens OR within our borders so why would the 1st Amendment apply to them I don't care either way, honestly. On one hand, estimates say between 7-15% of muslims are extremists and support terrorism. If 7-15% of anything killed people, this country would ban it, why should a religion be any different. But on the other hand, it's a tiiiiiiny bit morally wrong for 2015, no? Either way it's essentially a temporary ban on immigrants, what's the fuss
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49280910]they're more comfortable with the idea of getting rid of an ethnic and/or religious group they dont like than they are with the idea of getting rid of guns[/QUOTE] Because unlike gun grabbing there's actual precedent on that as an idea. I say this as a persons whose Grandfather was in Japanese Internment.
This is what happens when the majority of the left denies the link between islam and terrorism. Our own religious nutjobs know better, because they know what piety really means. Being the only ones talking honestly, however stupid that honesty is, is making the left look blind by comparison. If only progressive/leftists would admit the link and steer the conversation to how ridiculous/impossible it would be to actually implement a no-muslim immigration policy, what other effects such a ban might have (making ISIS recruitment easier by furthering the us vs them mentality) and what changes we can actually make to protect us from terrorism.
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;49281951]This is what happens when the majority of the left denies the link between islam and terrorism. Our own religious nutjobs know better, because they know what piety really means. Being the only ones talking honestly, however stupid that honesty is, is making the left look blind by comparison. If only progressive/leftists would admit the link and steer the conversation to how ridiculous/impossible it would be to actually implement a no-muslim immigration policy, what other effects such a ban might have (making ISIS recruitment easier by furthering the us vs them mentality) and what changes we can actually make to protect us from terrorism.[/QUOTE] You're probably right globally but Trump is running for president of the United States. In the US, most acts of terrorism are not committed by Muslims. So "admitting" the link wouldn't even be contextually accurate.
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;49281951]This is what happens when the majority of the left denies the link between islam and terrorism. Our own religious nutjobs know better, because they know what piety really means. Being the only ones talking honestly, however stupid that honesty is, is making the left look blind by comparison. If only progressive/leftists would admit the link and steer the conversation to how ridiculous/impossible it would be to actually implement a no-muslim immigration policy, what other effects such a ban might have (making ISIS recruitment easier by furthering the us vs them mentality) and what changes we can actually make to protect us from terrorism.[/QUOTE] It's funny because far more terrorism (in the US at least) is actually caused by Christian fundamentalism. Unfortunately nobody focuses on that because the voters wouldn't be too happy. Besides, most Liberals, especially the ones I know, acknowledge there is a link between Islam and terrorism, as with all religions. It's just that instead of whatever bullshit you're trying to peddle they don't think we should demonize all Muslims because some of them are bad. Of course, those points are then misinterpreted and changed into whatever you think Liberals actually say.
[QUOTE=Ridge;49281486]It protects the rights of people under it's umbrella, IE: U.S. citizens. They aren't citizens yet, so they aren't protected by it.[/QUOTE] Wrong. The Bill of Rights outlines our unalienable rights, rights inherent to all men. We can only enforce them in the US, but the Constitution is geared around what all human beings are entitled to. It doesn't grant the freedom of religion, it recognizes it. Citezenship is irrelevant.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49282138]It's funny because far more terrorism (in the US at least) is actually caused by Christian fundamentalism. Unfortunately nobody focuses on that because the voters wouldn't be too happy. Besides, most Liberals, especially the ones I know, acknowledge there is a link between Islam and terrorism, as with all religions. It's just that instead of whatever bullshit you're trying to peddle they don't think we should demonize all Muslims because some of them are bad. Of course, those points are then misinterpreted and changed into whatever you think Liberals actually say.[/QUOTE] "there is a link between Islam and terrorism, as with all religions" is the exact sentiment that is steering center/left-leaning Christians to people like Donald Trump. It's not as bad as "Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam" which you have to admit is a view held by many on the left. The unwillingness of some people to admit that it's easier to draw lines from the verses in the koran & the hadith to the actions of ISIS than it is to draw lines from the bible to bombing abortion clinics. What is ISIS doing that mohammed didn't do? What are christian terrorists doing that Jesus didn't do? This is an important difference. A literal interpretation of the koran results in ISIS. This is apparent to our religious nutjobs because they know that people actually believe what they say they believe. I used to be a religious nutjob, thinking the Bible should be interpreted literally, so I can sympathize with a lot of what they are saying. Using the koran to invalidate ISIS's actions is REALLY hard. It doesn't matter that more terrorism is committed by Christians in America when the conversation can't get there because of media fear-mongering of recent events and the outright refusal from the left to point to islam as a problem. A lot of the left can seem masochistic and weak when they blame terrorism on the west's constant fucking around in the region a la "The US created ISIS" garbage. Plus, the fact that we don't have a lot of islamic terrorism in the US could be a sign for some people to double down on not letting muslim refugees in. 7.5% of France's population is muslim. 0.8% of the US's is, so that really doesn't help things either. caveats: I consider myself on the left, and it sucks to see people who share my views on a lot of topics unable to see something staring them in the face. I don't know what to do about the refugee crisis. I wish the talk would change from whether islam has anything to do with it to what can we do to make the most humans happy. My heart tells me that anyone who wants to come to the US should be able to, provided they aren't criminals, but that's probably naive.
[QUOTE]I don't know what to do about the refugee crisis[/QUOTE] Build up a client state to house them. Like Somalia and where the culture is similar and the UN (or US) is welcomed to direct affairs. [QUOTE]I consider myself on the left[/QUOTE] I don't. I see the current ideas dominating political discourse in the west as part of the problem. Both sides need to be destroyed and replaced with some thing new.
[QUOTE=Ridge;49281486]It protects the rights of people under it's umbrella, IE: U.S. citizens. They aren't citizens yet, so they aren't protected by it.[/QUOTE] the bill of rights guarantees the rights of all, other than the right to vote and stand for election. the fact that you attempt to justify denying them rights that the constitution itself outlines as an absolute human right on account that they lack the paperwork is sickening
I am just going to go ahead and believe this poll was rigged. [editline]10th December 2015[/editline] For now.
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;49282380]it's easier to draw lines from the verses in the koran & the hadith to the actions of ISIS than it is to draw lines from the bible to bombing abortion clinics.[/QUOTE] This is something that you can't just present as a fact and then back up with nothing. It's also incredibly dishonest to suggest that bombing abortion clinics is the absolute worst of what fundamentalist Christianity produces. It's a tragedy, and absolutely a terrorist attack, yes. But there are Christian countries in Africa where that avatar of yours would have you put to death because of people hiding behind the Bible as justification for killing people who aren't Christian. It's just more contained because the governments condoning this are being funded by American missionary groups instead of oil-rich Middle Easterners. A literal interpretation of the Bible [i]also[/i] produces ISIS. It would just have a different name and a different book to hide behind. Edit: [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3w1ype/does_the_koran_really_advocate_more_violence_then/]Here's a thread of historians arguing about your main point, actually.[/url]
[QUOTE=Nikota;49281585]Because unlike gun grabbing there's actual precedent on that as an idea. I say this as a persons whose Grandfather was in Japanese Internment.[/QUOTE] it seems pretty amusing and hypocritical in all honesty when you consider all of the gun nuts who are voting for trump because he will protect the right to own guns, yet at the same time he is literally advocating to deprive innocent people of even more fundamental rights
[QUOTE=dalton0419;49280775]The [B]First Amendment[/B] of the United States Constitution prohibits the impediment of freedom of religion, and yet people are somehow okay with this. Because it's totally not impediment of religious freedom if we forbid Muslims from entering the country! :downs: And it's unbelievable how so many of us are terrified of each other. At least be glad that terrorist groups aren't trying to scare Americans into knee-jerk reactions against Muslisms that would lead to further support of radicalism! Oh... wait.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts[/url] Or if you can't be bothered to read The Alien Enemies Act, a law passed 217 years ago, that remains on the books today, empowers the president of the United States to expel dangerous Aliens from the country; gives authority to arrest, detain, and deport resident aliens hailing from enemy countries during times of war; and to lengthen the period of naturalization for immigrants. During World War II, the Alien Enemies Act was used by Franklin D. Roosevelt to detain, deport and confiscate the property of Japanese, German, Italian, and other Axis nation citizens residing in the United States. [url]http://www.earlyamerica.com/milestone-events/alien-enemies-act/[/url] The Alien Enemies Act, however, remains in effect as 50 USC Sections 21–24.[6] During World War II, it was used to detain, deport and confiscate the property of Japanese, German, Italian, and other Axis nation citizens residing in the United States.[7] So all your cries of muh constitutional rights are flat out wrong
[QUOTE=Ltp0wer;49282380]"there is a link between Islam and terrorism, as with all religions" is the exact sentiment that is steering center/left-leaning Christians to people like Donald Trump. It's not as bad as "Terrorism has nothing to do with Islam" which you have to admit is a view held by many on the left. The unwillingness of some people to admit that it's easier to draw lines from the verses in the koran & the hadith to the actions of ISIS than it is to draw lines from the bible to bombing abortion clinics. What is ISIS doing that mohammed didn't do? What are christian terrorists doing that Jesus didn't do? This is an important difference. A literal interpretation of the koran results in ISIS. This is apparent to our religious nutjobs because they know that people actually believe what they say they believe. I used to be a religious nutjob, thinking the Bible should be interpreted literally, so I can sympathize with a lot of what they are saying. Using the koran to invalidate ISIS's actions is REALLY hard. It doesn't matter that more terrorism is committed by Christians in America when the conversation can't get there because of media fear-mongering of recent events and the outright refusal from the left to point to islam as a problem. A lot of the left can seem masochistic and weak when they blame terrorism on the west's constant fucking around in the region a la "The US created ISIS" garbage. Plus, the fact that we don't have a lot of islamic terrorism in the US could be a sign for some people to double down on not letting muslim refugees in. 7.5% of France's population is muslim. 0.8% of the US's is, so that really doesn't help things either. caveats: I consider myself on the left, and it sucks to see people who share my views on a lot of topics unable to see something staring them in the face. I don't know what to do about the refugee crisis. I wish the talk would change from whether islam has anything to do with it to what can we do to make the most humans happy. My heart tells me that anyone who wants to come to the US should be able to, provided they aren't criminals, but that's probably naive.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but I don't remember the part in the Koran where Mohammed blows himself up...
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