Pakistan reviews ties with the US and NATO - Polidicks

[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-11-27/pakistan-reviews-nato-ties-over-lethal-strike/3697344?WT.svl=news1[/url] [quote]Bad relations between Pakistan and the United States have plunged deeper into crisis after a NATO air strike killed at least 24 Pakistani troops and injured 13. Pakistani officials say the air strike on an army checkpoint near the border with Afghanistan was unprovoked and indiscriminate. The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) says it is "highly likely" that its aircraft carried out the raid, inflaming US-Pakistani relations still reeling from the May killing of Osama bin Laden on Pakistan soil. ISAF commander General John Allen has promised a full investigation and offered his condolences to the families of the dead and wounded Pakistani soldiers. But Pakistan is not waiting to find out what went wrong. It has ordered a review of all arrangements with the US and NATO - including diplomatic, political, military and intelligence activities. It has given the US 15 days to vacate a controversial air base in south-western Pakistan that is reportedly used as a hub for covert CIA drone strikes. Pakistani officials have also closed the main ISAF supply route to Afghanistan through the Khyber Pass, shutting down a lifeline for the estimated 130,000 US-led foreign troops fighting the Taliban. Prime minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has described the incident as an attack on Pakistan's sovereignty. "I discussed this with the Leader of the Opposition and with other Pakistani leaders. That's why our nation has become united for the defence of the country," he said. Video: Listen to the ISAF media conference The attack took place about 2:00am (local time) in the Baizai area of Mohmand, where Pakistani troops are fighting Taliban militants. A senior Pakistani military officer says efforts are underway to bring the bodies of the slain soldiers to Ghalanai, the headquarters of Mohmand tribal region. NATO troops frequently carry out operations against Taliban insurgents close to the border with Pakistan, which in many places is unmarked, although the extent to which those operations are coordinated with Pakistan is unclear. Afghan and US officials accuse Pakistani troops at worst of colluding with the Taliban or at best of standing by while insurgents fire across the border from Pakistani soil, often in clear sight of Pakistani border posts. At the same time Pakistan, battling its own Taliban insurgency in the north-west and dependent on billions of dollars in US aid, gives the US-led war effort in Afghanistan vital logistics support.[/quote] This won't end well

They aren't gonna do shit. But still, how the fuck did we manage to kill 24 of their troops by friendly fire? I don't blame them for be pissed. If the Pakistanis did that to us it'd be considered it an act of war.

[QUOTE=DamagePoint;33454015]They aren't gonna do shit.[/QUOTE] What would you expect them to do? Bomb down some American soldiers?

i dare you, pakistan [editline]26th November 2011[/editline] i [I]dare[/I] you [editline]26th November 2011[/editline] i dare you, bat-shit

Endure, Pakistan. Take it. They'll hate you for it, but that's the point of Bat-shit, he can be the outcast. He can make the choice that no one else can make, the right choice.

Nothing wrong with that, who the fuck would still want to be in an alliance with someone that kills so many of their troops "by mistake"

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[QUOTE=ionuttzu;33454164]Nothing wrong with that, who the fuck would still want to be in an alliance with someone that kills so many of their troops "by mistake"[/QUOTE] And who would want to ally themselves with a country that willingly houses the combatants that attack and kill us intentionally? I say good riddance to a Pakistan-US alliance. Been nothing but a waste.

[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;33454063]i dare you, pakistan [editline]26th November 2011[/editline] i [I]dare[/I] you [editline]26th November 2011[/editline] i dare you, bat-shit[/QUOTE] Nah I just find it.. stupid for you to say "I DARE U PAKISTAN TO DO SOMETHING BECAUSE WE KILLED A DOZEN OF YOUR SOLDIERS"

Won't do shit besides some light no-fly restrictions, they get so much money from us.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;33461944]Won't do shit besides some light no-fly restrictions, they get so much money from us.[/QUOTE] They've already closed off the Khyber Pass, that's a vital supply route bringing food and ammo to our soldiers.

NATO's own damn fault. Can't blame Pakistan for seizing cooperation.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33456682]And who would want to ally themselves with a country that willingly houses the combatants that attack and kill us intentionally? I say good riddance to a Pakistan-US alliance. Been nothing but a waste.[/QUOTE] Obviously its a very small element in the Paki government if the US still allys themselves with them. I mean every other month, Al-Qaeda raids a Paki base. Even when Osama was captured, Al-Qaeda retaliated by massacring a Paki base. I wouldn't say Pakistan harbors or supports Al-Qaeda at all tbh.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;33464098]Obviously its a very small element in the Paki government if the US still allys themselves with them. I mean every other month, Al-Qaeda raids a Paki base. Even when Osama was captured, Al-Qaeda retaliated by massacring a Paki base. I wouldn't say Pakistan harbors or supports terrorism at all tbh.[/QUOTE] theres still quite a bit of corruption within the government, and the troops don't always seem to be so loyal, every now and again you'll hear about a soldier, who is apparently taliban, walking into barracks slaughtering their comrades.

[QUOTE=Ridge;33456682]And who would want to ally themselves with a country that willingly houses the combatants that attack and kill us intentionally? I say good riddance to a Pakistan-US alliance. Been nothing but a waste.[/QUOTE] They don't willing house them. Everybody knows that the northwestern area of Pakistan, including much of the border with Afghanistan, is completely lawless and corrupt. Pakistan cooperated because they have no other choice-this is a land where being a cop or a member of the military signs your death wish, because it's under control of fundamentalists and terrorist groups. They don't harbor them anymore than, say, Russia harbors Chechen terrorists. Except the Chechnya in this case is far larger. The Pakistan-US cooperation has been helpful for both parties, but Pakistan has always despised us and has only been doing this because we take care of a mutual enemy. Since we've been killing more civilians and friendlies than actual terrorists or combatants anymore, then there really is no point in them keeping this cooperation. On top of that, we act behind their back and in their nation without consent- prime example: the bin Laden raid. I don't blame them if they've had enough.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;33464098]Obviously its a very small element in the Paki government if the US still allys themselves with them. I mean every other month, Al-Qaeda raids a Paki base. Even when Osama was captured, Al-Qaeda retaliated by massacring a Paki base. I wouldn't say Pakistan harbors or supports terrorism at all tbh.[/QUOTE] I think that it's not nearly that black and white. Support terrorism? I would argue yes. But then again there aren't many states which don't support terrorism to some degree. Support Al-Qaeda? Nope. [editline]28th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;33464222]theres still quite a bit of corruption within the government, and the troops don't always seem to be so loyal, every now and again you'll hear about a soldier, who is apparently taliban, walking into barracks slaughtering their comrades.[/QUOTE] I think you might be talking about the ANA or ANP, I wasn't aware that Pakistan had a significant problem like with the taliban.

We should eliminate all of Pakistan's aid, pack up, and abandon Afghanistan to whoever is dumb enough to want it. Once we found out they were blatantly harboring Bin Laden and others, it was clear that Pakistan would never be an ally. Seriously, we need to wash our hands of these shithole countries and worry about our own problems.

[QUOTE=Contag;33464380]I think that it's not nearly that black and white. Support terrorism? I would argue yes. But then again there aren't many states which don't support terrorism to some degree. Support Al-Qaeda? Nope. [/QUOTE] Yeah I was speaking in context of al-Qaeda, I didn't intend to say pakistan does not support any form of terrorism

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;33464411]We should eliminate all of Pakistan's aid, pack up, and abandon Afghanistan to whoever is dumb enough to want it. Once we found out they were blatantly harboring Bin Laden and others, it was clear that Pakistan would never be an ally. Seriously, we need to wash our hands of these shithole countries and worry about our own problems.[/QUOTE] but what about the afghani people? you DO realise that if we take your course of action innocents will suffer again, right?