Really shows how slow the speed of light actually is. :v:
its warp 10 or bust as far as i'm concerned
[IMG_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/FTn6EZY.png[/IMG_thumb]
I... never knew that Warp was [I]that fast[/I]
[QUOTE=SFC003;52667974]its warp 10 or bust as far as i'm concerned
[IMG_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/FTn6EZY.png[/IMG_thumb][/QUOTE]
Thankfully this episode is considered non-canon.
[QUOTE=Savage Octane;52668085]Thankfully this episode is considered non-canon.[/QUOTE]
Source?
I don't recall it ever being said on the show how the warp scale was defined. I've always assumed it was logarithmic.
[QUOTE=Zeos;52667988]I... never knew that Warp was [I]that fast[/I][/QUOTE]
I never really thought much of it either, and thought the warp number seemed kind of arbitrary as far as plot devices go, until I realize just how unimaginably fucking gigantic the galaxy really is.
if voyager seems out of place compared to the other ships from it's era keep in mind that voyager is the hotrod of it's time
[QUOTE=meppers;52668252]if voyager seems out of place compared to the other ships from it's era keep in mind that voyager is the hotrod of it's time[/QUOTE]
He didn't measure alien enhancements.
Else wise Voyager might be one the best ships, if wasn't for it's size and it being a science vessel.
AFAIK no other ship as the tech from the future,the borg, and other tid bits that the voyager has.
[QUOTE=Cows Rule;52668232]Source?
I don't recall it ever being said on the show how the warp scale was defined. I've always assumed it was logarithmic.[/QUOTE]
They change how it's defined in each series afaik, but then voyager had it so that warp 10 was a theoretical "going so fast that you're everywhere at once".
And then obviously future rapey human lungfish was the logical conclusion to what would happen if you were going that fast.
[QUOTE=meppers;52668252]if voyager seems out of place compared to the other ships from it's era keep in mind that voyager is the hotrod of it's time[/QUOTE]
Yeah it was pretty much using all sorts of new technology.
[QUOTE=jonu67;52668631]Yeah it was pretty much using all sorts of new technology.[/QUOTE]
And yet they were very stubborn about sharing their own tech.
[editline]10th September 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeos;52667988]I... never knew that Warp was [I]that fast[/I][/QUOTE]
Considering in real life, absolutely nothing can go faster than light regardless of how much energy you put into it, this was a fictional creation to get past the years journey's between each star system. The shows would have trailed on for a long time with nothing exciting happening outside of the ship. So Warp can go as fast as they need it to depending on how small they want to make their universe.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;52668248]I never really thought much of it either, and thought the warp number seemed kind of arbitrary as far as plot devices go, until I realize just how unimaginably fucking gigantic the galaxy really is.[/QUOTE]
It would still take Enterprise E, the fastest ship, over 6 hours to get to Alpha Centauri, the nearest star. However, it would take it 17 years to get across the whole galaxy.
EDIT: wow look at my necro
[editline]18th September 2017[/editline]
this is what happens when you browse FP at light speed
[QUOTE=IceWarrior98;52668731]And yet they were very stubborn about sharing their own tech.
[editline]10th September 2017[/editline]
Considering in real life, absolutely nothing can go faster than light regardless of how much energy you put into it, this was a fictional creation to get past the years journey's between each star system. The shows would have trailed on for a long time with nothing exciting happening outside of the ship. So Warp can go as fast as they need it to depending on how small they want to make their universe.[/QUOTE]
Well, warp is potentially possible though, because it's a cheat. It's not breaking the rules because matter isn't surpassing lightspeed... spacetime ITSELF is moving, and whatever lies inside that space just comes along for the ride.
It's not FTL like Star Wars...
you can't really take these values too seriously, the writers never really gave a fuck about the underlying tech, frequently contradicted and retconned it, and warp factor was always just used as a sort of one-upsmanship from season to season (ie. look how advanced this ship is, it does warp factor n + 1!), or just for whatever storytelling reasons they needed in each episode
check out how the [I]actual[/I] warp speeds pan out based on actual examples where travel time and distance was provided in dialogue:
[t]http://puu.sh/xDdSF.png[/t]
warp 8.4 is 1000x faster than warp 9 :v:
[QUOTE=Xyrec;52667957]Really shows how slow the speed of light actually is. :v:[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how to feel about knowing if we discover light speed travel that we're basically still stuck in our solar system. :disappoint:
I guess it could be neat for exploring locally but man, that kinda sucks.
The problem with Warp factor in Star Trek is that everything basically moves at the speed of the plot.
The same journey at the same warp can take two days in one episode or two weeks in the next.
But the idea itself of the Warp factor having this exponential relationship with the speed of light is pretty neat.
[QUOTE=Xyrec;52667957]Really shows how slow the speed of light actually is. :v:[/QUOTE]Imagine the internet at Warp, zero latency.
[QUOTE=krail9;52695330]you can't really take these values too seriously, the writers never really gave a fuck about the underlying tech, frequently contradicted and retconned it, and warp factor was always just used as a sort of one-upsmanship from season to season (ie. look how advanced this ship is, it does warp factor n + 1!), or just for whatever storytelling reasons they needed in each episode
check out how the [I]actual[/I] warp speeds pan out based on actual examples where travel time and distance was provided in dialogue:
[t]http://puu.sh/xDdSF.png[/t]
warp 8.4 is 1000x faster than warp 9 :v:[/QUOTE]
I've always loved how Warp 9.975 has 4 different speeds - from the same show. And two different speeds in the same [b]episode.[/b]
I really like how Nikita phrases it, a few posts up: Warp doesn't travel in proportion to the speed of light, but rather it travels at the speed of plot. Great way to put it.
[QUOTE=krail9;52695330]you can't really take these values too seriously, the writers never really gave a fuck about the underlying tech, frequently contradicted and retconned it, and warp factor was always just used as a sort of one-upsmanship from season to season (ie. look how advanced this ship is, it does warp factor n + 1!), or just for whatever storytelling reasons they needed in each episode
check out how the [I]actual[/I] warp speeds pan out based on actual examples where travel time and distance was provided in dialogue:
[t]http://puu.sh/xDdSF.png[/t]
warp 8.4 is 1000x faster than warp 9 :v:[/QUOTE]
8.4 is from TOS which has a different warp scale that also goes above 10.
this might be retarded to ask but why is warp 2 not equal to two times warp 1 (speed of light)? but instead you get stuff like warp 2 being equal to 500c or whatever the number was in the video.
[QUOTE=loopoo;52699514]this might be retarded to ask but why is warp 2 not equal to two times warp 1 (speed of light)? but instead you get stuff like warp 2 being equal to 500c or whatever the number was in the video.[/QUOTE]
It rises exponentially.
[editline]20th September 2017[/editline]
Caps at 10 apparently, sometimes it goes beyond that and weird physics-breaking shit happens.
[QUOTE=Drury;52699522]It rises exponentially.[/QUOTE]
i figured as much, but I can't wrap my head around it. the speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s, why is twice the speed of light an exponentially higher value instead of just being 2 x 299,792,458 m/s?
[QUOTE=loopoo;52699524]why is twice the speed of light an exponentially higher value instead of just being 2 x 299,792,458 m/s?[/QUOTE]
It's not twice the speed of light, it's just how the scale is labeled. Compare it to the Richter scale for earthquakes; a magnitude 6 earthquake is 10 times stronger than a magnitude 5 (the scale is logarithmic in this case) and contains 32 times the energy.
[QUOTE=SFC003;52667974]its warp 10 or bust as far as i'm concerned
[IMG_thumb]http://i.imgur.com/FTn6EZY.png[/IMG_thumb][/QUOTE]
that episode was so fucking dumb like I can't even get over it
[editline]20th September 2017[/editline]
as great and science focused as Star Trek is
it has some seriously dumb episodes
[QUOTE=loopoo;52699524]i figured as much, but I can't wrap my head around it. the speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s, why is twice the speed of light an exponentially higher value instead of just being 2 x 299,792,458 m/s?[/QUOTE]
It's not twice the speed of light, it's warp 2. Warp 1 happens to correspond to speed of light because 1^3 = 1 (it's apparently cubic growth not exponential, same shit just with powers of 3 instead of 2) but warp 2 is 2^3 = 8, so eight times the speed of light.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52699563]that episode was so fucking dumb like I can't even get over it
[editline]20th September 2017[/editline]
as great and science focused as Star Trek is
it has some seriously dumb episodes[/QUOTE]
Voyager suffered more than the typical Trek serials..
DS9 imo fared the best.
[QUOTE=RoboChimp;52696412]Imagine the internet at Warp, zero latency.[/QUOTE]
We're already hitting light speed limits in consumer internet, which is kinda scary.
[QUOTE=Crimor;52699686]We're already hitting light speed limits in consumer internet, which is kinda scary.[/QUOTE]
Humanity has struggled with lightspeed's deceptive slowness since the dawn of the information age.
GPS satellites have had to account for relativity since their initial launch, needing to calculate not only what time it is [I]now[/I], but also what time it will be by the time its signal reaches the planets surface. Not accounting for this difference can create location discrepancies hundreds of meters wide.
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