Netflix to utilize proxy detection software to sniff out anyone who tries to get around their countr - Polidicks

[QUOTE] [IMG]https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/netflix-logo.jpg?w=670&h=377&crop=1[/IMG] If all of our content were globally available, there wouldn’t be a reason for members to use proxies or “unblockers” to fool our systems into thinking they’re in a different country than they’re actually in. We are making progress in licensing content across the world and, as of last week, now offer the Netflix service in 190 countries, but we have a ways to go before we can offer people the same films and TV series everywhere. Over time, we anticipate being able to do so. For now, given the historic practice of licensing content by geographic territories, the TV shows and movies we offer differ, to varying degrees, by territory. In the meantime, we will continue to respect and enforce content licensing by geographic location.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://media.netflix.com/en/company-blog/evolving-proxy-detection-as-a-global-service"]Blog post from Netflix[/URL] For those who don't want to read the whole post, Netflix basically wants to use tools to see who is using a proxy so that they can undo the proxy, Netflix would do nothing more then to keep offering the same content as they would have in their own country.

they can try, i'll say that much.

And what if people cancel their subscription because they can no longer access the shows they wanted to access that was only possible with a proxy and the subscription itself? The indirect costs to Netflix of people using proxies must be greater than the profit generated by those same people subscribing, and if it isn't, this is a very irrational move by Netflix.

[QUOTE=Antlerp;49531890]And what if people cancel their subscription because they can no longer access the shows they wanted to access that was only possible with a proxy and the subscription itself? The indirect costs to Netflix of people using proxies must be greater than the profit generated by those same people subscribing, and if it isn't, this is a very irrational move by Netflix.[/QUOTE] Netflix gains nothing from this, studios and networks are pressuring them. It has been long underway.

It's not even Netflix's fault too.. A lot of Studio's basically said they would pull the licensing for each of their better works if this didn't happen. Ninja'ed

[QUOTE=Antlerp;49531890]And what if people cancel their subscription because they can no longer access the shows they wanted to access that was only possible with a proxy and the subscription itself? The indirect costs to Netflix of people using proxies must be greater than the profit generated by those same people subscribing, and if it isn't, this is a very irrational move by Netflix.[/QUOTE] It's completely rational on Netflix's part. They are at the mercy of the content publishers. It is not in Netflix's interest to restrict content in such a way. The fact that it has taken them so long to implement something as trivial as generic proxy detection is a testament to this. It's the content publishers breathing down their neck and threatening Netflix with letting contracts lapse.

[QUOTE=Chrille;49531908]Netflix gains nothing from this, studios and networks are pressuring them. It has been long underway.[/QUOTE] Are studios and networks not aware that people will substitute Netflix for piracy if this happens? Netflix harms piracy rates and if you remove that option for people then they tend to go back to piracy, resulting in absolubtly no revenues for those networks.

It's just politics, I doubt this will have a huge impact that can't be easily worked around.

can't use dns changers with chromecast & phone anymore unless i install a 2 year old version 100% going to cancel my subscription if this can't be bypassed on pc

[QUOTE=Antlerp;49531912]Are studios and networks not aware that people will substitute Netflix for piracy if this happens? Netflix harms piracy rates and if you remove that option for people then they tend to go back to piracy, resulting in absolubtly no revenues for those networks.[/QUOTE] What the studios and networks are doing makes sense if you don't think about it.

[QUOTE=Antlerp;49531912]Are studios and networks not aware that people will substitute Netflix for piracy if this happens? Netflix harms piracy rates and if you remove that option for people then they tend to go back to piracy, resulting in absolubtly no revenues for those networks.[/QUOTE] I think you overestimate the studios. Probably, they just want to exert influence where they can: “This is in effect another form of piracy — one semi-sanctioned by Netflix, since they are getting paid by subscribers in territories where Netflix does not have the rights to sell our content.” - Keith Le Goy, president of distribution at Sony Pictures.

What will it take to bring licensing into the digital age? Pretending every region is separate is all fine and dandy so long as you pretend the internet doesn't exist and consumers can't compare their situations.

See, the problem these big studios have is piracy is a problem they can't just throw money at to make it go away, which is a new experience for them. Thus, instead of making logical, consumer oriented, decisions that would be able to effectively compete with piracy, they blame everything on the big mean pirates and dig in their heels to hold onto their backwards model for selling content.

[QUOTE=Ardosos;49532008]What will it take to bring licensing into the digital age? Pretending every region is separate is all fine and dandy so long as you pretend the internet doesn't exist and consumers can't compare their situations.[/QUOTE] They still think we are in the film era, and that personal recording media doesn't exist

And thus a lot more people turned to piracy once more. Seriously, do the content producers never learn?

Yeah Im canceling my subscription if this goes into effect. Nothing I'm interested in is on the Swedish netflix.

Licensing will always be confusing to me. How can something be fine to stream in one country but say "to bad you don't get it" everywhere else. It's because of money isn't it.

Maybe they'll leave some backdoor so that it can be bypassed :v:?

How exactly can they detect a proxy anyway; its not like anyone actually uses proxies. People use VPNs (for whatever reason) and VPS servers. The VPS services I used for netflix etc were like $5 a month, so if they got blocked I'd just buy another one. Big deal.

this is prolly a silly question but why is certain content not available globally? either you want to sell your content to netflix or you don't. I seriously don't get why they would be like "yeah we'll let you play all 5 seasons of Breaking Bad on netflix but I swear to god if you make it available in Trinidad & Tobago this contract is over" [editline]14th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Antlerp;49531912]Are studios and networks not aware that people will substitute Netflix for piracy if this happens? Netflix harms piracy rates and if you remove that option for people then they tend to go back to piracy, resulting in absolubtly no revenues for those networks.[/QUOTE] exactly its like how valve started offering appropriately priced and translated games in russia and the piracy rate went way down

David of Netflix can go eat a dick.

[QUOTE=Penguiin;49532230]this is prolly a silly question but why is certain content not available globally? either you want to sell your content to netflix or you don't. I seriously don't get why they would be like "yeah we'll let you play all 5 seasons of Breaking Bad on netflix but I swear to god if you make it available in Trinidad & Tobago this contract is over"[/QUOTE] Because of greedy assholes who don't want you to get a product for too cheap from another country, and because they are also idiots. I really wanted a Netflix subscription, I would totally convince my parents to just ditch whatever we have right now for this, but this whole region lock thing is getting really annoying. Region locking makes no fucking sense for a digital system. Sorry I've had bad experiences with region locks :v:

Pull this shit Netflix then I will leave for something else this is very dumb of them to try and enforce ( half there business is the way it is because people can access other showès )

[QUOTE=RaTcHeT302;49532290]Because of greedy assholes who don't want you to get a product for too cheap from another country, and because they are also idiots. I really wanted a Netflix subscription, I would totally convince my parents to just ditch whatever we have right now for this, but this whole region lock thing is getting really annoying. Region locking makes no fucking sense for a digital system. Sorry I've had bad experiences with region locks :v:[/QUOTE] Some of it probably also has to do with music rights which are notoriously way more stricter than movie rights (especially for older movies).

[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;49532317]Some of it probably also has to do with music rights which are notoriously way more stricter than movie rights (especially for older movies).[/QUOTE] Ah, that really sucks, no one actually ever told me that, I never thought music might be the main issue anyway, I still find it kinda ridiculous though. I really think this should never happen with any piece of media though, it just seems stupid to me. [url]http://www.pcgamer.com/grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-steam-update-removes-songs-resolution-options/[/url]

[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;49532168]Licensing will always be confusing to me. How can something be fine to stream in one country but say "to bad you don't get it" everywhere else. It's because of money isn't it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Penguiin;49532230]this is prolly a silly question but why is certain content not available globally? either you want to sell your content to netflix or you don't. I seriously don't get why they would be like "yeah we'll let you play all 5 seasons of Breaking Bad on netflix but I swear to god if you make it available in Trinidad & Tobago this contract is over"[/Quote] I figure it's not that easy as it seems. Before Netflix went worldwide, most often a syndication (or maybe a partner if the show belongs to Netflix) will buy licensing rights from studios,network or distributors to broadcast to their own individual region. This complicates things due to the previous contracts agreements. In order for Netflix's content to be available worldwide, they have to constantly negotiate for licensing rights with the network and studios for all of its shows. Currently, Netflix is trying to acquire global rights for most of its offered shows which also depends on how much the show is in demand for all the regions. In short, most of the popular shows would be available worldwide eventually but just not anytime soon. [QUOTE=Ardosos;49532008]What will it take to bring licensing into the digital age? Pretending every region is separate is all fine and dandy so long as you pretend the internet doesn't exist and consumers can't compare their situations.[/QUOTE] Time and money basically.

Region locks are a retarded concept anyways, just force people to convert to your local currency to purchase services and you have no pricing issues, assuming that taxes/fees from other countries don't do weird things on top of it.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49532339]Region locks are a retarded concept anyways, just force people to convert to your local currency to purchase services and you have no pricing issues, assuming that taxes/fees from other countries don't do weird things on top of it.[/QUOTE] That's pretty much how I would approach it, but I geniunely have no idea how these laws have been setup. Hardware region locks are the worst though.

You guys shouldn't be hating on Netflix to be honest. This isn't a choice made by them. This is a choice made by the studios. You should be hating on the studios that basically tell Netflix [quote]"We gave you a license for these five countries. There's a huge amount of people from other countries using it and we haven't licensed you to let them use it. Do a better job at preventing them from doing this or we wont license you anything"[/quote] I understand people wanting Netflix to tell the networks to fuck off, but you have to remember that without the networks, Netflix can't function. Netflix does a LOT in our favor in the first place, but only they can do so much without ruining themselves. Think about the whole issue with data caps. Netflix is one of the people pushing against them hard. Netflix stands up against the bullshit ISPs pull. Netflix called Comcast out on their crap. The thing is, Comcast is Comcast/NBC. Netflix NEEDS the NBC side to license them movies and TV shows. Without those licenses, Netflix can't function. They push against these companies hard, but there's only so much they can really do.

I recall already a year back people using proxies reported about getting blocked. But Netflix never confirmed anything.