Possible 2016 contender, Ben Carson, compares the US to Nazi Germany.
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[QUOTE]Washington (CNN) -- Neurosurgeon Ben Carson stood by his controversial comparison of the United States to Nazi Germany in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer on Wednesday.
Asked by Blitzer whether he would amend or take back his comments, Carson said "Absolutely not."
Carson made the comments during a March interview with conservative news outlet Breitbart.com. He noted that the Third Reich was "using its tools to intimidate the population," and said that "we now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe."
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In elaborating on those comments Wednesday, he again suggested that the U.S. "government is using instruments of government, like the IRS, to punish its opponents."
Pressed by Blitzer on whether the comparison was appropriate, Carson argued his focus on the specific words was "part of the problem."[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/politics/carson-stands-by-nazi-germany-comparsion/index.html?hpt=hp_t2[/url]
hes %100 right until that black kenyan muslim communist nazi obongo is out of the WHITE house!!!!!!
[quote]"we now live in a society where people are afraid to say what they actually believe"[/quote]
I'm sorry but if you believe that why don't you just go on facebook or twitter for a few hours, you'll realize people don't give a fuck about half the shit they say.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46635144]I'm sorry but if you believe that why don't you just go on facebook or twitter for a few hours, you'll realize people don't give a fuck about half the shit they say.[/QUOTE]
He's talking about people who matter.
[QUOTE=archangel125;46635167]He's talking about people who matter.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, the shit spewing out of last year's presidential race easily rivaled the idiocy on social media.
Does anyone else have a hard time believing hes a neurosurgeon? I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near my head, its clear his isn't attatched the right way
[QUOTE=Cornish;46635397]Does anyone else have a hard time believing hes a neurosurgeon? I wouldn't want this guy anywhere near my head, its clear his isn't attatched the right way[/QUOTE]
He was the first person to successfully separate conjoined twins who were joined at the head. He is very highly educated. But "LOL CONSERVATIVES ARE ALL STUPID!" Amirite?
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46635779]He was the first person to successfully separate conjoined twins who were joined at the head. He is very highly educated. But "LOL CONSERVATIVES ARE ALL STUPID!" Amirite?[/QUOTE]
He literally believes that the US is similar, in any way, to [I]Nazi Germany[/I]. It's fairly safe to say that he's a dipshit.
Just cause you're smart academically doesn't mean you're smart practically.
[QUOTE=N.A.N.B;46635877]He literally believes that the US is similar, in any way, to [I]Nazi Germany[/I]. It's fairly safe to say that he's a dipshit.
Just cause you're smart academically doesn't mean you're smart practically.[/QUOTE]
No he's not, he's drawing comparison to the fact that in Nazi Germany fear was a tool to be used by the government and he's right, the US used fear of an enemy to pass laws that reduced peoples rights.
He's not saying there's a genocide being waged, he's saying that the US government isn't in it for the people.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46635144]I'm sorry but if you believe that why don't you just go on facebook or twitter for a few hours, you'll realize people don't give a fuck about half the shit they say.[/QUOTE]
That makes it even worse, because when you get nabbed by the secret police nobody will know you are gone. /es
But in reality, people are afraid to speak their minds because they are afraid of being put on some terrorist watch list for saying just the wrong thing, it could be as simple as disagreeing with the government, or supporting illicit substances.
Either way, Obama is vastly better than Hitler.
Yeah, the resemblance is uncanny. I mean, just look at our leader!
[IMG]http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/wp-content/gallery/obama-satire/obama-hitler.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=archangel125;46635167]He's talking about people who matter.[/QUOTE]
Then he doesn't seem to understand politics, obviously. It's not a Nazi like regime that prevents significant people in society from saying what they want, it's because if they do say something controversial, it's political suicide, and it could ruin their career. People are careful for their jobs, not their lives (directly speaking).
[editline]4th December 2014[/editline]
No body has a risk of being silenced, only a risk of backlash.
the republican primary is going to be both hilarious and incredibly depressing once you realise everybody in it is fucking nuts
[editline]4th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;46635779]He was the first person to successfully separate conjoined twins who were joined at the head. He is very highly educated. But "LOL CONSERVATIVES ARE ALL STUPID!" Amirite?[/QUOTE]
Watson discovered DNA structure but also is a huge biggot and is also very sexist, smarts don't mean you still can't hold crazy views, we just assume today that smart people are liberals because of republican propaganda
The US is a pretty damn awful place, but it's not because of the IRS, it's because of the CIA, the NSA, the congress and large corporations.
[QUOTE=nikomo;46636576]The US is a pretty damn awful place, but it's not because of the IRS, it's because of the CIA, the NSA, the congress and large corporations.[/QUOTE]
Yes my home is just truly awful and I shudder at the thought of another waking moment in this desolate land.
[QUOTE=N.A.N.B;46635877]He literally believes that the US is similar, in any way, to [I]Nazi Germany[/I]. It's fairly safe to say that he's a dipshit.
Just cause you're smart academically doesn't mean you're smart practically.[/QUOTE]
It's ironic that all the people going 'Oh my, he compared the US to Nazi Germany in any way, he's automatically wrong' are proving his point.
[quote][b]"What you were doing is allowing words to affect you more than listening to what was actually being said. And that's part of the problem,"[/b] he said.
[b]"You are just focusing on the words 'Nazi Germany' and completely missing the point of what is being said,"[/b] he added.[/quote]
[QUOTE=catbarf;46636612]It's ironic that all the people going 'Oh my, he compared the US to Nazi Germany in any way, he's automatically wrong' are proving his point.[/QUOTE]
"people who disagree with me are proving me right" is incredibly stupid
what if we're listening to what he's saying but still think he's an idiot
[editline]4th December 2014[/editline]
how about this: if you try to create a circular foolproof defense for your argument you're automatically wrong
[QUOTE=Jund;46636741]"people who disagree with me are proving me right" is incredibly stupid
what if we're listening to what he's saying but still think he's an idiot[/QUOTE]
Nobody ever said that, did you even skim the article? If you think he's wrong, you have a counter-argument, good for you. But if you think his opinion is automatically invalidated because he made a comparison you don't like, then you're proving his point, getting offended over words rather than addressing the actual argument.
Here's a comparison: Both the US and Nazi Germany invest heavily in public works projects. That's a similarity. So what? You can make a comparison, in the case of Ben Carson comparing the use of government bodies to shape public opinion, without saying that the things you're comparing are exactly the same.
One of the larger problems isn't so much fear tactics against the voting populace so much as it is misrepresentation, lack of educated votes, and corporate lobbying.
Some people then decide not to vote as they think there vote doesn't matter due to the above reasons.
[QUOTE=Jund;46636741]"people who disagree with me are proving me right" is incredibly stupid
what if we're listening to what he's saying but still think he's an idiot
[editline]4th December 2014[/editline]
how about this: if you try to create a circular foolproof defense for your argument you're automatically wrong[/QUOTE]
Except you're missing the point too. People get so triggered by comparisons to Nazi Germany that they don't even listen long or well enough to actually agree or disagree with what he's saying.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46636883]Nobody ever said that, did you even skim the article? If you think he's wrong, you have a counter-argument, good for you. But if you think his opinion is automatically invalidated because he made a comparison you don't like, then you're proving his point, getting offended over words rather than addressing the actual argument.
Here's a comparison: Both the US and Nazi Germany invest heavily in public works projects. That's a similarity. So what? You can make a comparison, in the case of Ben Carson comparing the use of government bodies to shape public opinion, without saying that the things you're comparing are exactly the same.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Killuah;46636928]Except you're missing the point too. People get so triggered by comparisons to Nazi Germany that they don't even listen long or well enough to actually agree or disagree with what he's saying.[/QUOTE]
How are you supposed to take it then? When Blitzer replies that it doesn't even compare Carson tries to deflect his rebuttal by saying that the topic of Nazi Germany "shouldn't be"off limits" and that Blitzer is "missing the point".
Did [I]you[/I] even read the article or watch the video? He's using a buzzword comparison to draw in idiots who know next to nothing about Nazi Germany or their own government. And when someone disagrees with him he immediately falls back on "don't censor me!"
It's a monumentally stupid comparison, like saying "Obama breathes oxygen. You know who else breathed oxygen? HITLER." OOOOOO THE IRS AND HEAVY INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS, YOU MUST BE A NAZI
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Do you know who else invested in public works projects? Fucking everyone
[QUOTE=Jund;46637053]It's a monumentally stupid comparison, like saying "Obama breathes oxygen. You know who else breathed oxygen? HITLER." OOOOOO THE IRS AND HEAVY INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS, YOU MUST BE A NAZI
[editline]4th December 2014[/editline]
Do you know who else invested in public works projects? Fucking everyone[/QUOTE]
Wow, it's almost like who you're comparing to shouldn't matter and shouldn't provoke a sudden 'EVERYTHING THEY SAY MUST BE WRONG' moral outrage, and what matters is the substance (or lack thereof) of the comparison, not the knee-jerk reaction to it.
Blitzer doesn't address the comparison or explain how it's inaccurate, he just says it's not the same. Which is the point here. If it's a stupid comparison it should be pretty easy to show the differences, not sit back on moral outrage at the mere comparison.
[QUOTE=catbarf;46637138]Wow, it's almost like who you're comparing to shouldn't matter and shouldn't provoke a sudden 'EVERYTHING THEY SAY MUST BE WRONG' moral outrage, and what matters is the substance (or lack thereof) of the comparison, not the knee-jerk reaction to it.
Blitzer doesn't address the comparison or explain how it's inaccurate, he just says it's not the same. Which is the point here. If it's a stupid comparison it should be pretty easy to show the differences, not sit back on moral outrage at the mere comparison.[/QUOTE]
Is what Blitzer said not enough? Throwing morals out the window, millions of lives are still millions of lives. You're not a overly moral crybaby if you bring that up, you're just not a psychopath.
Carson doesn't practice what he preaches. Apparently we shouldn't pay mind to the fact that he's using Nazi Germany as a comparison, and that we should only pay attention to the specific comparisons of government that he's talking about. Then why did he bring up Nazi Germany in the first place?
It's because he understands that many people's knowledge of it is limited to "oh they were very bad people, Hitler and Jews and stuff", and he's exploiting that to push his views on the uninformed. There are plenty of despotic regimes much closer to the topic at hand that he could have compared the US to, but he chose that one specifically because it was the quickest, easiest, and makes the US govt look the worst to the public eye. If anything, he's the one playing on morals and emotions.
Godwin's Law doesn't only exist as a fancy Internet colloquialism. It's a legitimate criticism of shamelessly lazy debating.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;46635144]I'm sorry but if you believe that why don't you just go on facebook or twitter for a few hours, you'll realize people don't give a fuck about half the shit they say.[/QUOTE]
He means intellectuals...
[editline]4th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=archangel125;46635167]He's talking about people who matter.[/QUOTE]
damn beat me to it
[QUOTE=Jund;46637286]Is what Blitzer said not enough? Throwing morals out the window, millions of lives are still millions of lives. You're not a overly moral crybaby if you bring that up, you're just not a psychopath.
Carson doesn't practice what he preaches. Apparently we shouldn't pay mind to the fact that he's using Nazi Germany as a comparison, and that we should only pay attention to the specific comparisons of government that he's talking about. Then why did he bring up Nazi Germany in the first place?
It's because he understands that many people's knowledge of it is limited to "oh they were very bad people, Hitler and Jews and stuff", and he's exploiting that to push his views on the uninformed. There are plenty of despotic regimes much closer to the topic at hand that he could have compared the US to, but he chose that one specifically because it was the quickest, easiest, and makes the US govt look the worst to the public eye. If anything, he's the one playing on morals and emotions.
Godwin's Law doesn't only exist as a fancy Internet colloquialism. It's a legitimate criticism of shamelessly lazy debating.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, does he expect to bring up the Nazis for cheap pathos and be able to complain when people dismiss it for the same reason? You can't have your Reich and eat it too.
[url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/16/ben-carson-was-a-role-model-for-black-teens-until-he-sold-out-to-the-right.html]here's an article about Ben Carson from one of his fans who is disappointed in him[/url]
[QUOTE=proboardslol;46637587][URL="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/16/ben-carson-was-a-role-model-for-black-teens-until-he-sold-out-to-the-right.html"]here's an article about Ben Carson from one of his fans who is disappointed in him[/URL][/QUOTE]
It's funny to me how black people must be "selling out" when they actually have right wing, conservative, ideas. What if Carson actually believed all of those things... the entire time, GASP!
I've never understood the thought process of losing respect for someone when they have opinions different from your own. The author of this article read Carson's book and had a very high opinion of the man. He thought of him as a role model and generally wise. When I have this opinion about a person it means I am more likely to take their opinion seriously, even if I generally disagree. Instead of that the author automatically dismisses Carson because he dares to dissent from his opinion.
[QUOTE=sgman91;46637624]It's funny to me how black people must be "selling out" when they actually have right wing, conservative, ideas. What if Carson actually believed all of those things... the entire time, GASP!
I've never understood the thought process of losing respect for someone when they have opinions different from your own. The author of this article read Carson's book and had a very high opinion of the man. He thought of him as a role model and generally wise. When I have this opinion about a person it means I am more likely to take their opinion seriously, even if I generally disagree. Instead of that the author automatically dismisses Carson because he dares to dissent from his opinion.[/QUOTE]
You don't get it, this guy lived in Detroit and struggled like we struggled before getting where he is now. I'm pretty left politically, always have been, and I DO take Dr. Ben Carson's opinion seriously, which is why ever since reading his book I go into work thinking how I can make myself a valuable asset to the company.
He gave me, and a lot of other people, a healthy dose of personal responsibility. Ever since he's gone political though, his message has changed, and it isn't the message he originally shared with us, nor the one that helped him get where he is.
Even this specific interview exemplifies that, he says that specific wording doesn't matter?
Since when Carson? You've always told us that it was very important to choose your words carefully, to convey your message as clearly as possible.
I suppose using language as a tool to communicate clearly is only important if you're poor and use slang, once you make money and hang out with the Tea Party it becomes acceptable to say things you know are false in order to push an agenda, ”I have to tell you Obamacare is, really I think, the worst thing that’s happened in this nation since slavery."
But he isn't a sellout right guys? We're just salty because he always held these believes, not because he completely changed his entire message and philosophy in 2013.
I find it amusing how people believe they can't compare something to the Soviet Union or to Nazi Germany.
I mean, OMG, THOSE STATES WERE ALIEN, SO WE HUMANS CANNOT COMPARE TO THEM.
If there are points in which both states are similar, then the comparison is valid. Not neccesarily by comparing US to Nazi Germany you are saying that the US killed millions of jews.
It's not like the US state is composed of angels and never did and doesn't do anything that's morally disgusting.
Please.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;46637808]You don't get it, this guy lived in Detroit and struggled like we struggled before getting where he is now. I'm pretty left politically, always have been, and I DO take Dr. Ben Carson's opinion seriously, which is why ever since reading his book I go into work thinking how I can make myself a valuable asset to the company.[/QUOTE]
You take his opinions seriously when they don't go in opposition to your own strongly held beliefs it seems. Instead of considering the possibility that Carson ACTUALLY feels that strongly about Obamacare you assume that he must have sold out.
*Note that he didn't say that Obamacare is equal to slavery, or that it is even comparable to the evil of slavery. He says it's the worst thing "since slavery."
He gave me, and a lot of other people, a healthy dose of personal responsibility. Ever since he's gone political though, his message has changed, and it isn't the message he originally shared with us, nor the one that helped him get where he is.
Even this specific interview exemplifies that, he says that specific wording doesn't matter?
Since when Carson? You've always told us that it was very important to choose your words carefully, to convey your message as clearly as possible.
I suppose using language as a tool to communicate clearly is only important if you're poor and use slang, once you make money and hang out with the Tea Party it becomes acceptable to say things you know are false in order to push an agenda, ”I have to tell you Obamacare is, really I think, the worst thing that’s happened in this nation since slavery."
But he isn't a sellout right guys? We're just salty because he always held these believes, not because he completely changed his entire message and philosophy in 2013.[/QUOTE]
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I screwed that quote up, sorry, and now I can't edit it.
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