[Nerdwriter] Saturn Devouring His Child - Everyone's Favorite Painting
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I wish I took art history in college at some point. Would have been nice to go over this painting in class.
Was actually planning on going as "Saturn devouring his Son" last halloween, just couldn't find a morph suit that fit my skin color.
The Black Paintings are intense stuff. Saturn Devouring His Son is one of the most unsettling paintings I've ever seen in my life.
Knowing the history and circumstances of those paintings makes them a whole world more disturbing.
I'm pretty sure I heard the exact ambient sounds used at the beginning of this video in SCP: Containment breach
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;53169399]Was actually planning on going as "Saturn devouring his Son" last halloween, just couldn't find a morph suit that fit my skin color.[/QUOTE]
Why use a morphsuit? :v:
Im not sure its the MOST disturbing painting, as he says. I get that superlatives are important for clicks, but look at something like Bosch’s Garden of Earthly delights.
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Or Francis Bacon’s popes
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Spooky shit for sure.
in my opinion it's not even really the most disturbing one by Goya, his Disasters of War series is much more intense due to being based on things that actually happened during the Peninsular war.
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[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53171632]Im not sure its the MOST disturbing painting, as he says. I get that superlatives are important for clicks, but look at something like Bosch’s Garden of Earthly delights.
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/El_jard%C3%ADn_de_las_Delicias%2C_de_El_Bosco.jpg[/t]
Or Francis Bacon’s popes
[t]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O35mXlGzo-4/TWLZ-jcFQHI/AAAAAAAAABQ/vBiPVgePD8I/s1600/Francis%2Bbacon.jpg[/t]
Spooky shit for sure.[/QUOTE]
honestly, garden of earthly delights is more funny then anything else :v:
The most disturbing pieces of art ive ever seen were in Druillet comics. I wouldn't be able to post them here. Look him up, he was one of the best friends of Moebius, as genius and on twice as many drugs.
His comics were almost always about stepping on pretty much any taboo a person can have, in pure french 70s Métal hurlant (heavy metal magazine) fashion. And his insanity towards the end of his life showed.
[QUOTE=WhyNott;53171732]honestly, garden of earthly delights is more funny then anything else :v:[/QUOTE]
In some ways its hilarious, but to me it only makes the creepy shit like the bird man or the tree person even scarier.
I still prefer Electric Retard.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53171734]In some ways its hilarious, but to me it only makes the creepy shit like the bird man or the tree person even scarier.[/QUOTE]
It's weird but not really haunting like Saturn.
This is what insanity would look like if it was made manifest
Zdzisław Beksiński and Francis Bacon are my go-to artists for scary art. I got to see some of their works in a Guillermo Del Toro exhibit in Minneapolis last year, it was pretty amazing.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;53169413]The Black Paintings are intense stuff. Saturn Devouring His Son is one of the most unsettling paintings I've ever seen in my life.
Knowing the history and circumstances of those paintings makes them a whole world more disturbing.[/QUOTE]
IIRC there's some debate over whether they were all painted by Goya or if some were made by his son after he died.
A few were painted on the second floor of a house that was described as only having one floor while he lived there.
I think we should take a moment to discuss the video itself.
I've watched a fair few of Nerdwriter1's videos, and I personally think this is hands-down his best video to date.
The sound design is amazing, from the chewing sounds at the start and end of the video, to that tinnitus ringing when describing how Goya went deaf. Honestly there's so many nuances I can't even list them all.
The video editing of the still images is similarly superb, from the subtle pulsating of the lips on the picture of Saturn drinking the blood of his child, to the images contracting as he describes how Goya withdrew from the world. Again, too many subtleties to mention.
The amount of creativity that went into editing what would otherwise being a rather plain and boring lecture is worthy of applause, in my opinion.
I think context as well as the painting can make it more powerfull. For example the relatively unknown Austrian painter Richard Gerstl. He was involved in a very damaging love triangle and would kill himself the year after the second self portrait:
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Francis Bacon was in a very damaging relationship to a sexual sadist called Peter Lacy. Bacon was a masochist, but the relationship was a bit too turbulent for his likings. He made some of his greatest paintings in this (50's) period.
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But the most disturbing paintings I've seen have to Kim Nobles paintings. This woman was so severely abused when she was a child, that she developed a dissociative identity disorder. Her paintings seem to be about what kind of abuse she lived through.
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Those Kim Noble paintings...
:frown:
Jesus Christ those Noble paintings really are dreadful, not in the sense of quality, but causing actual dread. Something about them lacking significant detail makes it even more maddeningly oppressive. It gives you the impression that she doesn't remember it very well but she can't [i]completely[/i] purge it from memory.
Whenever I see Saturn I think of this in the background.
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Henry Darger drew a bunch of really strange and fucked up art [video=youtube;vjCS_u3Sgpg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjCS_u3Sgpg[/video]
Yeah I'd definitely agree that it's one of the most disturbing paintings. Big, weirdly proportioned, naked dudes only come across scary/creepy when they're drawn in old art styles for some reason. Like if you saw a [I]hyperrealistic[/I] depiction or something done with 3D models it wouldn't have the same effect. That's probably why the only time the titans in Attack on Titan ever creeped me out is during the ending credits sequence in the second season. The older styling just has something about it that makes the imagery work.
[video=youtube;rbfHY8mkhT8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbfHY8mkhT8[/video]
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;53171632]Im not sure its the MOST disturbing painting, as he says. I get that superlatives are important for clicks, but look at something like Bosch’s Garden of Earthly delights.
[t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/El_jard%C3%ADn_de_las_Delicias%2C_de_El_Bosco.jpg[/t]
Or Francis Bacon’s popes
[t]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-O35mXlGzo-4/TWLZ-jcFQHI/AAAAAAAAABQ/vBiPVgePD8I/s1600/Francis%2Bbacon.jpg[/t]
Spooky shit for sure.[/QUOTE]
They're brilliant works in their own right, a product of just themselves that none could replicate. They're intricate and very inspiring and your eyes wander the paintings in search of new details at every corner. They're very very detailed works.
But they're not terrifying, IMHO.
Goya's piece is sloppy and lacks those intricate details, but the appeal here is the uncanny-ness. The picture itself, in all of its juvenile looking sloppy brushwork, is unsettling; an emotion thats often achieved by the uncanny-valley.
My analysis of why it's seen as the most disturbing here, has some to do uncanny-valley science. In this case what we're looking at is indeed human, or atleast in appearance, but the unsettling part is also how it not-human he looks. We aren't sure if we're seeing an animal or a human being, or something worse, a monster.
TLDR, he looks deformed and the quick brush strokes help obscuring the finer details to make him look like a monster both visually, and also in context. He looks familiar, yet mysterious, and the context of the painting does not help at all in convincing us he's a nice guy that'll lend you a dollar fifty for a soda
Francisco Goya is one of my favorite artists and his work was wildly ahead of it's time.
I've never been particularly interested in art beyond things like film, books, and video games but this video completely sucked me in. If it was just the first half about the painting itself and the black paintings in Goya's home I'd say it was great. That it goes further and contextualizes everything from a historical perspective makes it one of the better videos I've ever seen, and actually made me more curious about a facet of art and history that I hadn't really considered before. The idea of a deaf artist slowly filling his house with downright horrific paintings not meant to be seen by anyone else is haunting.
[QUOTE=hunter_killah;53173540]TLDR, he looks deformed and the quick brush strokes help obscuring the finer details to make him look like a monster both visually, and also in context. He looks familiar, yet mysterious, and the context of the painting does not help at all in convincing us he's a nice guy that'll lend you a dollar fifty for a soda[/QUOTE]
It's definitely uncanny valley sitting between the real and the unreal. Compare it with the Bacon or Nobles above which are more abstract and are immediately obvious to be paintings, closer to emotion put on canvas, Goya's seems to be a real scene heavily coloured by emotion.
It catches you immediately as something real and recognisable, but the detail unfolds in disturbing ways.
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But the most disturbing paintings I've seen have to Kim Nobles paintings. This woman was so severely abused when she was a child, that she developed a dissociative identity disorder. Her paintings seem to be about what kind of abuse she lived through.
[b]- SADNESS - [/b][/QUOTE]
Also, I flipped the first image to read the text on the wall.
The text says "Pratt rules / child friendly / lock up Nonces / Hate".
I looked up "Nonces", and according to Urbandictionary, it's UK slang for "pedophiles."
That doesn't make me feel any better. :frown:
[QUOTE=Raidyr;53173591]I've never been particularly interested in art beyond things like film, books, and video games but this video completely sucked me in. If it was just the first half about the painting itself and the black paintings in Goya's home I'd say it was great. That it goes further and contextualizes everything from a historical perspective makes it one of the better videos I've ever seen, and actually made me more curious about a facet of art and history that I hadn't really considered before. The idea of a deaf artist slowly filling his house with downright horrific paintings not meant to be seen by anyone else is haunting.[/QUOTE]
this video is pretty good at discussing Goya's oeuvre in general but he completely skipped over [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_maja_desnuda]The Nude Maja[/url] which is a incredibly influential and important work in it's own right.
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