Australian Penalty Rates slashed for Sundays and Public Holidays, affecting a ton of workers - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Sunday and public holiday penalty rates will be reduced for full-time and part-time workers in the hospitality, retail and fast-food industries, the Fair Work Commission has ruled. The Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) said nearly half a million people, including some of the country's lowest-paid workers, would lose up to $6,000 a year. The commission said the cuts would lead to increased services and trading hours on public holidays and Sundays. But it acknowledged the changes would cause hardship to some workers. "Many of these employees earn just enough to cover weekly living expenses," Fair Work Commission president Iain Ross said. Sunday pay rates for full-time and part-time hospitality workers will be cut from 175 per cent of their standard wage to 150 per cent. In retail, Sunday wages will be reduced from 200 per cent of the standard rate to 150 per cent for full-time and part-time staff. For fast-food workers, Sunday pay for some full-time and part-time employees — classed as "level one" workers — will be cut from 150 per cent to 125 per cent. "The immediate implementation of the variations to Sunday penalty rates would inevitably cause some hardship to the employees affected, particularly those who work on Sundays," Justice Ross said. "We have concluded that appropriate transitional arrangements are necessary to mitigate the hardship caused to employees who work on Sundays. "We have not reached a concluded view as to the form of those arrangements." Casual workers in the retail and fast-food industries will also see their pay cut but rates for casuals in hospitality will remain the same. The public holiday penalty cuts will come into effect on 1 July 2017. The Fair Work Commission has not yet decided when the Sunday rate cuts should come into effect, but indicated it should be within a year.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-23/weekend-penalty-rates-fair-work-commission-decision/8295758[/url]

Even though I'm not affected by this, That is fucked. And a scary precedent. These are the last people who should get pay reduced, living costs are crazy expensive, I can't imagine trying to get by on retail wage.

how about they fuck off instead this is gonna fuck with a lot of people especially with the holiday cut

While I can sympathise with people getting reduced pay I'm not really sure why people who work sundays should get paid more than people that work saturdays. The public holiday thing is dumb though.

[QUOTE=Tasm;51862394]Even though I'm not affected by this, That is fucked. And a scary precedent. These are the last people who should get pay reduced, living costs are crazy expensive, I can't imagine trying to get by on retail wage.[/QUOTE] it affects me, affects my mates and affects my co-workers. Soon they'll slash penalty rates for late night work and it will be a devastating blow on us. I don't do sundays and public holidays for anything else other than pay. Malcolm has never had to work a fucking career where he relied on this shit, I'm really mad

It also should be the same across industry, it shouldn't exclude restaurant staff but include retail and fast food staff.

[QUOTE=download;51862422]While I can sympathise with people getting reduced pay I'm not really sure why people who work sundays should get paid more than people that work saturdays. The public holiday thing is dumb though.[/QUOTE] at my work, saturday and sundays carries the same penalties so i cant speak for those who have differing rates. But, our culture has always viewed the weekends as rest days and days where we need to put our feet up and cool. When you have to work on those days your giving up your free time and you should be paid a penalty I would be fine if the FWC just said "Sat and Sun rates need to be normalised", that's fine, but a giant cut? nah

lol ur meant to take money off the ppl who can afford it not ppl working casual jobs on weekends u scumbags

JORBS AND GROWTH

And they also introduced tax cuts for large corporations too 👍

I really hope the Liberals lose the upcoming WA election, They're such a scumbag party at this point it's embarrassing.

[QUOTE=Whomobile;51862490]I really hope the Liberals lose the upcoming WA election, They're such a scumbag party at this point it's embarrassing.[/QUOTE] Good thing we have good alternative parties.... Oh wait

To be honest anything is probably better than the Liberals right now. They came into power promising better management and stability than the previous Labor government but have pretty much done the opposite. It's pretty easy to understand why a lot of people unfortunately vote One Nation when Labor and Greens are set up as boogymen and Liberals pissfart around while lining thier pockets.

[QUOTE=download;51862422]While I can sympathise with people getting reduced pay I'm not really sure why people who work sundays should get paid more than people that work saturdays. The public holiday thing is dumb though.[/QUOTE] Because it is sometimes the only thing that helps people who are forced to work weekends or wacky retail schedules. Imagine having all your off days broken up during the week and having to work every weekend.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;51862423]it affects me, affects my mates and affects my co-workers. Soon they'll slash penalty rates for late night work and it will be a devastating blow on us. I don't do sundays and public holidays for anything else other than pay. Malcolm has never had to work a fucking career where he relied on this shit, I'm really mad[/QUOTE] Don't you work at Coles? You're covered by an enterprise bargaining agreement, which overrides the industry award. Nothing will change for you whatsoever; your penalty rates will stay the same. [b]Everyone covered by an EBA, probably a majority of people who work in retail, will see no change to their penalty rates at all. There's a lot of fear mongering going around thanks to these incredibly sensationalist articles, and people not understanding industry awards, EBAs etc.[/b] [editline]23rd February 2017[/editline] A partial list of EBAs can be found here [url]http://www.sda.org.au/resources/enterprise-agreements/[/url] if you work in retail, see if it includes your workplace. [editline]23rd February 2017[/editline] Only about 15% of people who work in retail are covered by just the industry award, implying that around 85% are covered by EBAs [url]http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6105.0Feature+Article1July%202011[/url] The source is 6 years old and I'm trying to find a more-recent survey, but I don't expect that figure to have deviated much since then.

The EBA's come up for renewal every so often. What do you think will happen when they come up for renewal? No chance any of the companies will keep the extra Sunday pay - they'll reduce it like the base industry award. It's not fear mongering - it's simply bad for someone working in the affected sectors.

[QUOTE=BF;51862557]Don't you work at Coles? You're covered by an enterprise bargaining agreement, which overrides the industry award. Nothing will change for you whatsoever. [b]Everyone covered by an EBA, probably a majority of people who work in retail, will see no change to their penalty rates at all. There's a lot of fear mongering going around thanks to these incredibly sensationalist articles, and people not understanding industry awards, EBAs etc.[/b] [editline]23rd February 2017[/editline] A partial list of EBAs can be found here [url]http://www.sda.org.au/resources/enterprise-agreements/[/url] if you work in retail, see if it includes your workplace. [editline]23rd February 2017[/editline] Only about 15% of people who work in retail are covered by an industry award, implying that about 85% are covered by EBAs [url]http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6105.0Feature+Article1July%202011[/url] The source is 6 years old and I'm trying to find a more-recent survey, but I don't expect that figure has deviated awfully much since then.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the info, I work at Coles as well, and there has been some collective pants shitting with no one communicating anything. So at least I have something to look over now.

[QUOTE=BF;51862557]Don't you work at Coles? You're covered by an enterprise bargaining agreement, which overrides the industry award. Nothing will change for you whatsoever; your penalty rates will stay the same. [b]Everyone covered by an EBA, probably a majority of people who work in retail, will see no change to their penalty rates at all. There's a lot of fear mongering going around thanks to these incredibly sensationalist articles, and people not understanding industry awards, EBAs etc.[/b] [editline]23rd February 2017[/editline] A partial list of EBAs can be found here [url]http://www.sda.org.au/resources/enterprise-agreements/[/url] if you work in retail, see if it includes your workplace. [editline]23rd February 2017[/editline] Only about 15% of people who work in retail are covered by just the industry award, implying that around 85% are covered by EBAs [url]http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/6105.0Feature+Article1July%202011[/url] The source is 6 years old and I'm trying to find a more-recent survey, but I don't expect that figure to have deviated much since then.[/QUOTE] ah okay this doesnt affect me then but i feel coles will want to renew soon

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51862581]The EBA's come up for renewal every so often. What do you think will happen when they come up for renewal? No chance any of the companies will keep the extra Sunday pay - they'll reduce it like the base industry award. It's not fear mongering - it's simply bad for someone working in the affected sectors.[/QUOTE] That's a huge assumption you're making. Not a baseless assumption, but I could just as easily argue that the unions, such as the SDA, will not let the companies get away with negotiating for lower penalty rates. Don't forget that EBAs are negotiated between the unions, representing the employees, and the employers. The fact is, we don't know what will happen when the EBAs come up for renegotiation. Some might stick with their older penalty rate structure, but others might mirror the structure of the new industry award. [editline]23rd February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=fruxodaily;51862590]ah okay this doesnt affect me then but i feel coles will want to renew soon[/QUOTE] Our enterprise bargaining agreement (one of my two jobs is at Coles, too) comes up for renegotiation in May I believe, as that's when the current EBA expires. But I don't expect for any cuts to happen, because the renegotiation would be in the shadow of the news of this change to the industry award; everyone in Australia would have their eyes on Coles. There isn't much room for cutting anyways; the penalty rates of our EBA are close to the new award's rates. Working on Sundays we get 150%, which is the same as the new award (the rate was 200% in the old award - so Coles employees were actually worse off compared to non-EBA workers covered by the old award). We still get 250% for working on public holidays, which is the same as the old award, but the rate for the new award is 225%. But again, we're covered by an EBA, which overrides the new award.

When Automation really kicks in, shit is going to get interesting...

Fucking CUNTS. It's a "Fair Work Commission" can't they read the title of their own organisation? Thanks for nothing [QUOTE]The commission said the cuts would lead to increased services and trading hours on public holidays and Sundays.[/QUOTE] Oh that's a load of shit. Here's the chart for my store [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oCWFGD6.jpg[/IMG] Look at that fucking drop at the end. Do they actually think it would increase business if stores stayed open longer on Sundays?

[QUOTE]"Many of these employees earn just enough to cover weekly living expenses, so we decided to fuck them over lol."[/QUOTE] [IMG]https://proxy.bigfooty.com/forum/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_MFEeDQOmK_g%2FSdCOOE8I5wI%2FAAAAAAAAATo%2FrKbU9sY3pL0%2Fs400%2FLenin.jpg&hash=9327dc0682eff53e3a4c5991f2df212a[/IMG] I mean Jesus Christ, greedy much?

As a Canadian I find it odd that these are called "penalty rates". While we don't get extra pay for weekends this would kinda sorta fall under "overtime and holiday pay" for us. That being said, having been screwed over by an employer on my overtime pay before this sounds cool.

I hops Australians fucked over by this take punitive steps against the government and do so until they learn not to tuck over their constituents.

I've loved working weekends for the past 6 years, I never get to hang out with family or my girlfriend who works all week. I love a good kick in the teeth! /s

The good news they'll be no incentive for doing weekend shifts, so those business will be fucked over.

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;51862976]The good news they'll be no incentive for doing weekend shifts, so those business will be fucked over.[/QUOTE] Why won't people want to work on weekends? What do you mean that there'll be no incentive?

If people are struggling because Sunday has been slashed to be more inline with Saturday then there's a bigger problem to deal with

[QUOTE=RoboChimp;51862976]The good news they'll be no incentive for doing weekend shifts, so those business will be fucked over.[/QUOTE] You do realise employees can't just decide to not work weekends right? Places won't shut down for the day because not enough employees turned up, they'll just tell casuals to come in or risk their jobs. IIRC at McDonalds if you're over 18 and have a drivers license, you're required to work a certain number of late / weekend hours

[QUOTE=BF;51863024]Why won't people want to work on weekends? What do you mean that there'll be no incentive?[/QUOTE]People with the choice will likely work during week, meaning those weekend shifts will be covered by less competent people, tarnishing the reputation of the business. [editline]23rd February 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=kaze4159;51863110]You do realise employees can't just decide to not work weekends right? Places won't shut down for the day because not enough employees turned up, they'll just tell casuals to come in or risk their jobs. IIRC at McDonalds if you're over 18 and have a drivers license, you're required to work a certain number of late / weekend hours[/QUOTE]If they have enough experience, employees can use that to their advantage and find work in the same industry with but during the week. Many employees do choose their shifts and a heap work the less desirable shifts because they get paid more.