Ukip Banned From London Pride Parade, But Organisers Say Decision Is Not 'Politically Motivated' - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Ukip has been banned from taking part in LGBT parade in London over "safety fears." On Friday, organisers of the pride event, scheduled for the end of June, said the decision was made to reject the political party’s application after wrestling with the “difficult issue.” They said the decision was made "in order to protect participants and ensure the event passes off safely and in the right spirit," and was not motivated by comments made by some Ukip members in opposition to gay marriage. "We aim to unite our community, not divide it, and our intention is to serve the whole of our community with an inclusive event, so to exclude any group is not a decision we take lightly,” the organisers said in a statement. [/QUOTE] [URL="http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7523902?utm_hp_ref=uk."]http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7523902?utm_hp_ref=uk.[/URL] Not politically motivated my arse, wanker organisers.

Banning a political party from anything, then go and say it's not "politically motivated" is the dumbest thing I've heard all day.

My question is, why would UKIP be there? They've consistently shown an anti-LGBT stance, so why would they go to a Pride parade? I'm not sure if banning them was the right choice, but they should have at least pressed UKIP to declare what they actually plan to do.

[QUOTE=gastyne;47890194]Banning a political party from anything, then go and say it's not "politically motivated" is the dumbest thing I've heard all day.[/QUOTE] banning a political party because you believe it will intentionally disrupt an event with vitriol is not the same thing as banning a political party to decrease their public presence [editline]6th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jamsponge;47890207]My question is, why would UKIP be there? They've consistently shown an anti-LGBT stance, so why would they go to a Pride parade? I'm not sure if banning them was the right choice, but they should have at least pressed UKIP to declare what they actually plan to do.[/QUOTE] anti-lgbt protesting; disorder and violence

It was UKIP's LGBTQ group that wanted to join the the parade for the same reason anyone else wanted to March.

[QUOTE=Jame's;47890271]It was UKIP's LGBTQ group that wanted to join the the parade for the same reason anyone else wanted to March.[/QUOTE] I'm kind of surprised that UKIP have an LGBT group. Aren't they opposed to gay marriage and adoption?

Some of UKIP's people have said some pretty ignorant things about the LGBTQ community, but the rest of the party try hard to distance themselves from those people and none of their policies are intrinsically anti-LGBTQ afaik, and they do have an LGBTQ wing, so I don't think this is a good idea. It's a relatively single issue protest, so banning people for their views on something quite separate is silly. If it was some kind of pro-immigration protest, or anti-racism, then I could see the logic in banning UKIP. Well, come to think of it, don't UKIP have a policy on their manifesto that says they think employers should be allowed to discriminate on who they hire or who they serve based on anything, including race and sexuality? Although, terrible as that policy is, I guess that's not the policy influencing anyone's vote for UKIP, so that doesn't mean everyone voting UKIP is anti-LGBTQ. I don't like defending UKIP at all, but this is very silly. Way too many people are going about attacking UKIP the wrong way. If you vilify people with views you don't like, they'll likely only become more entrenched in those views. [editline]6th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jamsponge;47890305]I'm kind of surprised that UKIP have an LGBT group. Aren't they opposed to gay marriage and adoption?[/QUOTE] See, I could have sworn I heard Nigel Farage saying he was pro gay marriage and all that, to distance themselves from the image of being a bunch of bigots, but I'm looking it up now [url=http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/28/gay-marriage-nigel-farage-ukip]and this is the first result.[/url] [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583636/Ukip-not-oppose-gay-marriage-Farage-reveals-calls-French-style-separate-legal-religious-services.html]But then there's this one so I think I am right.[/url] Everyone already thinks they're a bunch of massive bigots, they can't afford to openly be homophobes as well.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47890306]Some of UKIP's people have said some pretty ignorant things about the LGBTQ community, but the rest of the party try hard to distance themselves from those people and none of their policies are intrinsically anti-LGBTQ afaik, and they do have an LGBTQ wing, so I don't think this is a good idea. It's a relatively single issue protest, so banning people for their views on something quite separate is silly. If it was some kind of pro-immigration protest, or anti-racism, then I could see the logic in banning UKIP. Well, come to think of it, don't UKIP have a policy on their manifesto that says they think employers should be allowed to discriminate on who they hire or who they serve based on anything, including race and sexuality? Although, terrible as that policy is, I guess that's not the policy influencing anyone's vote for UKIP, so that doesn't mean everyone voting UKIP is anti-LGBTQ. I don't like defending UKIP at all, but this is very silly. Way too many people are going about attacking UKIP the wrong way. If you vilify people with views you don't like, they'll likely only become more entrenched in those views. [editline]6th June 2015[/editline] See, I could have sworn I heard Nigel Farage saying he was pro gay marriage and all that, to distance themselves from the image of being a bunch of bigots, but I'm looking it up now [url=http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Episodes_Set_In_The_Future]and this is the first result.[/url] [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583636/Ukip-not-oppose-gay-marriage-Farage-reveals-calls-French-style-separate-legal-religious-services.html]But then there's this one so I think I am right.[/url] Everyone already thinks they're a bunch of massive bigots, they can't afford to openly be homophobes as well.[/QUOTE] You've either done a weird search or pasted the wrong thing because that first link is an article from the simpsons wiki

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47890305]I'm kind of surprised that UKIP have an LGBT group. Aren't they opposed to gay marriage and adoption?[/QUOTE] Not as of February. It was opposed to churches being forced to perform gay marriage ceremonies, but the party does support civil partnerships. Furthermore, [QUOTE=Nigel Farage]UKIP do not support same sex marriages all the while we're under the auspices of the European court of human rights.[/QUOTE] The party is becoming a lot more liberal in these aspects which is becoming observable. At my local meetings we have a zero tolerance approach to anyone who is racist/ xenophobic.

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;47890306] See, I could have sworn I heard Nigel Farage saying he was pro gay marriage and all that, to distance themselves from the image of being a bunch of bigots, but I'm looking it up now [url=http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Episodes_Set_In_The_Future]and this is the first result.[/url] [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2583636/Ukip-not-oppose-gay-marriage-Farage-reveals-calls-French-style-separate-legal-religious-services.html]But then there's this one so I think I am right.[/url] Everyone already thinks they're a bunch of massive bigots, they can't afford to openly be homophobes as well.[/QUOTE] Most people just repeat what their community/family/news tell them, without ever actually checking out the Manifesto. I'm not talking specifically about UKIP, that applies to every political party.

[QUOTE=Uzbekistan;47890381]You've either done a weird search or pasted the wrong thing because that first link is an article from the simpsons wiki[/QUOTE] whoops, fixed it.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47890305]I'm kind of surprised that UKIP have an LGBT group. Aren't they opposed to gay marriage and adoption?[/QUOTE] I was surprised they were While some of their members are screwy they're doing a lot to shake off the bad image

[QUOTE=proch;47890397]Most people just repeat what their community/family/news tell them, without ever actually checking out the Manifesto. I'm not talking specifically about UKIP, that applies to every political party.[/QUOTE] I think it's an easy mistake to make here. UKIP is largely made up of the rightest wing of the Tory party (including Farage) who were homophobes and they've said some terrible things before. But at this point they're distancing themselves from that. It did used to be on their manifesto.

To be fair, with that UKIP MP being hounded the other day and leaving via police escort, who knows what a [I]savage group of ruffian gays and lesbians parading happily would do[/I]

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47890426]I was surprised they were While some of their members are screwy they're doing a lot to shake off the bad image[/QUOTE] The leader of their LGBT society thingy left recently, said he can't defend the party anymore

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;47890530]This is good; a large majority of UKIP followers are racist homophobic bigots who would only induce violence at such an event.[/QUOTE] Even though it was their own LGBTQ group that wanted to join? Any evidence for your claims?

[QUOTE=Jame's;47890548]Even though it was their own LGBTQ group that wanted to join? Any evidence for your claims?[/QUOTE] Well, I don't think there's really a discussion on the fact that UKIP is a right-wing party, moreso than the Conservatives. And with any party which adopts socially conservative policies (eg being against anti-discrimination laws), you're going to attract people who are quite socially conservative eg being against gay marriage, being in support of conversion therapy, etc. I'm not sure if it's a majority but I have definitely observed plenty of UKIP voters (and members) who are against LGBTQ stuff.

tl;dr Faggots are not allowed on gay pride. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("shitpost/tl;dr" - OvB))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;47890582]An LGBTQ group of UKIP is delusional when so many representatives have been caught out quoted saying both racist and homophobic views. I'm not denying that UKIP has some good policies that some people legitimately believe in for all the right reasons, but unfortunately the biggest majority UKIP get their votes from are nasty bigots who think UKIP is more racist than it actually is, letting these bigots attend this event would be unreasonable.[/QUOTE] So you think UKIP are the third most popular party due to bigots? If so why wasn't the BNP more popular previously? If this was true then the political landscape would be completely different. Your claims of their voter base have no credibility. Get out on the doorsteps canvassing and you'll see how average Ukip voters are. The bigots are morons if they think UKIP are going to appease them.

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;47890582]An LGBTQ group of UKIP is delusional when so many representatives have been caught out quoted saying both racist and homophobic views. I'm not denying that UKIP has some good policies that some people legitimately believe in for all the right reasons, but unfortunately the biggest majority UKIP get their votes from are nasty bigots who think UKIP is more racist than it actually is, letting these bigots attend this event would be unreasonable.[/QUOTE] Delusional? There's good enough reasons for them to vote for UKIP that a person doing so isn't delusional. They could support it for the same reason that FN is having an increased LGBT presence. Immigrants, especially Muslims, Africans, and Caribbeans all have absolutely violent views when it comes to the LGBT. There's a line you can draw when it comes to parties like Labour that are bending over backwards to get the Muslim vote, while at the same time trying to be LGBT friendly. In reality one of those groups has proven time and again to be intolerant of the other to the point of reaching violence.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;47890305]I'm kind of surprised that UKIP have an LGBT group. Aren't they opposed to gay marriage and adoption?[/QUOTE] There was a leaflet going around at their meetings saying teaching kids about LGBT people was a recruiting method. Absolutely barmy. But apparently they do have an LGBT group, so it should have been taken into consideration before removing them from the parade.

[url]http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/02/26/ukips-lgbt-chair-quits-i-couldnt-defend-the-party-any-more/[/url] The old chair of UKIP's LGBT group did quit because of the homophobia in UKIP

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;47890595]tl;dr Faggots are not allowed on gay pride.[/QUOTE] [img]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/ru.png[/img]

If UKIP have an LGBT wing, then they should attend a Pride parade as LGBT individuals, not as UKIP. I support the Lib Dems, but I wouldn't go about wearing a rosette there. That's not the place for political canvassing, it's a place to celebrate your belonging in the LGBT society. Anybody who judges an LGBT person for being part of any political party (except for maybe an extremist one who advocates the execution of homosexuals) is an idiot, frankly.

[QUOTE=gastyne;47890194]Banning a political party from anything, then go and say it's not "politically motivated" is the dumbest thing I've heard all day.[/QUOTE] I don't think this is what it is though. In the US, why would a Pride Parade want an ultra-conservative, right wing group to be there when they are publically against them?

[QUOTE=Nikota;47890714]Delusional? There's good enough reasons for them to vote for UKIP that a person doing so isn't delusional. They could support it for the same reason that FN is having an increased LGBT presence. Immigrants, especially Muslims, Africans, and Caribbeans all have absolutely violent views when it comes to the LGBT. There's a line you can draw when it comes to parties like Labour that are bending over backwards to get the Muslim vote, while at the same time trying to be LGBT friendly. In reality one of those groups has proven time and again to be intolerant of the other to the point of reaching violence.[/QUOTE] Yeah because everybody knows the solution to intolerance is more intolerance

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;47890595]tl;dr Faggots are not allowed on gay pride.[/QUOTE] This is what happens when you try to carry over wordplay to another language. Makes little sense and looks stupid.

[QUOTE=gudman;47893815]This is what happens when you try to carry over wordplay to another language. Makes little sense and looks stupid.[/QUOTE] What's the wordplay here? I don't see any way this could have been not homophobic even in its mother tongue

[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;47893773]Yeah because everybody knows the solution to intolerance is more intolerance[/QUOTE] It's a clash of cultures. When you have an ultra socially conservative demographic that comes from a place where such behavior is met with execution, voting for a party that doesn't cater to them is a valid option. Telling someone to not take even the minimal of action as that would be breeding more Intolerance is a lack of understanding of intergroup dynamics. Social conflict isn't a joke and you have to think about it in real terms.

I know it's hard for many supporters of LGBT groups to understand, but not all people against gay marriage are against it because they hate gay people. This includes self loving gay people who are themselves against gay marriage, of whom there are plenty of, just do a google search. The conflagration of opposition to gay marriage and necessary bigotry and homophobia is a strawman that clouds the actual arguments and opinions that people hold.