9/11 Widowerreturns Glamour's "Woman of the Year Reward" because of Caitlyn Jenner - Polidicks

[Quote]The beloved wife and mother died at the age of 38 after courageously rushing into the south tower during the 2001 terrorist attacks in lower Manhattan. She was posthumously recognized by Glamour that same year. "People who survived the World Trade Center attacks will tell you they remember Moira, a beacon of calm in the chaos, leading the injured to care," former New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said during the dedication of a Madison Square Park’s playground to her in 2002. "Each time she left to help someone, she went back in -- no doubt, she saved hundreds on Sept. 11." Meanwhile, Jenner was recognized last week with the magazine's Transgender Champion award for her monumental courage in publicly stepping out as a transgender woman. "She made the decision to transition publicly—so that in the future kids don't have to wait until they're 65 years old to discover who they are," Alex Schmider, of the Los Angeles LGBT Center, told Glamour with her accolade. A Glamour spokeswoman, reached by The Huffington Post, said they are proud to have honored Moira Smith in 2001 and continue to stand by their decision to honor Jenner. "Caitlyn Jenner has helped shine a light on the problems faced by transgender youth and given voice to a community that is often unheard. Glamour's Women of the Year Awards recognizes brave, bold women who in their individual ways have all made a significant difference in the world,” they said in a statement. The 66-year-old Olympic gold medalist's prior recognition with the Arthur Ashe Courage Award by ESPN drew similar criticism and backlash.[/Quote] [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/widower-returns-wifes-glamour-award-because-of-caitlyn-jenner_5649db3ae4b060377349c1f8]Source[/url]

What a dick, how dare he return an honour to his late wife just because he doesn't like transgenders.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;49130210]What a dick, how dare he return an honour to his late wife just because he doesn't like transgenders.[/QUOTE] I have transed between many genders before and this news to me makes me very angry

I mean, I think giving a woman of the year award in a women's fashion magazine to a 9/11 hero set the bar too high. Everything after her is going to look like a slap in the face.

What a piece of shit.

caitlyn jenner the insanely courageous woman who's net worth is a hundred million dollars.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;49130527]caitlyn jenner the insanely courageous woman who's net worth is a hundred million dollars.[/QUOTE] also jenner got away with murder

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;49130527]caitlyn jenner the insanely courageous woman who's net worth is a hundred million dollars.[/QUOTE] Would you have felt she was courageous if she wasn't worth a hundred million dollars and just your average person? Because people that are rich are just people that have a lot of money. They're not dehumanized because of their salary.

[QUOTE=thrawn2787;49130536]also jenner got away with murder[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QLaoOWX-w[/media]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49130563]Would you have felt she was courageous if she wasn't worth a hundred million dollars and just your average person? Because people that are rich are just people that have a lot of money. They're not dehumanized because of their salary.[/QUOTE] What does she stand to lose by coming out Literally nothing She is insanely wealthy and what she did was not brave in any way. This is a big PR move to add to the enormous list of all other PR moves this leech of a family has done.

good for her for being courageous or whatever but seriously, there is no one at all that doesn't deserve it more?

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;49130597]What does she stand to lose by coming out Literally nothing She is insanely wealthy and what she did was not brave in any way. This is a big PR move to add to the enormous list of all other PR moves this leech of a family has done.[/QUOTE] And what do others have to lose by doing the same thing? A lot. She's making a change in society by becoming a role model that a lot of people know and respect. It's not just becoming transsexual for attention.

What did Caitlyn Jenner do to deserve the award besides coming out as transgendered?

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;49130719]What did Caitlyn Jenner do to deserve the award besides coming out as transgendered?[/QUOTE] Nothing, but is anything else necessary? She helps contribute to the social acceptance of transgendered women by being successful and accepted herself. She's a household name for transgendered people. It's representation.

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;49130719]What did Caitlyn Jenner do to deserve the award besides coming out as transgendered?[/QUOTE] Killing someone?

[QUOTE=Robman8908;49130590][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QLaoOWX-w[/media][/QUOTE] that joke isn't even funny though, its just really derogatory, ya this whole season has been some giant PC conspiracy but that joke fell flat every time they used it

The move might have been of poor taste, but he isn't entirely wrong. The only reason people are inclined to give a damn about Cait more than any other trans is she has money. That's it. If anything they should've given the award to every MtF trans instead, by making that group the recipient, not one specific trans. [editline]16th November 2015[/editline] Mind you even if the recipient was "every MtF trans", he still might call it a slap in the face anyway, in which case we know his true motive and it becomes a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49130747]Nothing, but is anything else necessary? She helps contribute to the social acceptance of transgendered women by being successful and accepted herself. She's a household name for transgendered people. It's representation.[/QUOTE] She's a big budget name for the transgender community that still manages to fail at affecting any real change for them it seems. Her idea of womanhood is picking out clothes and shopping and painting nails and her show and speeches have exemplified that, the only remotely interesting thing she's said that isn't purely self-indulgent is bringing attention to suicide rates and abuse statistics for transgendered people, which is just about the bare minimum she could do considering her "position".

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;49130770]The move might have been of poor taste, but he isn't entirely wrong. The only reason people are inclined to give a damn about Cait more than any other trans is she has money. That's it. If anything they should've given the award to every MtF trans instead, by making that group the recipient, not one specific trans. [editline]16th November 2015[/editline] Mind you even if the recipient was "every MtF trans", he still might call it a slap in the face anyway, in which case we know his true motive and it becomes a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" thing.[/QUOTE] Is it wrong to give awards to successful, famous people? I think being a successful transgendered person is a fair justification. She didn't become transgendered with the expectation of winning an award or anything. [editline]16th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=srobins;49130789]She's a big budget name for the transgender community that still manages to fail at affecting any real change for them it seems. Her idea of womanhood is picking out clothes and shopping and painting nails and her show and speeches have exemplified that, the only remotely interesting thing she's said that isn't purely self-indulgent is bringing attention to suicide rates and abuse statistics for transgendered people, which is just about the bare minimum she could do considering her "position".[/QUOTE] It sounds like she's living life, which is what people should be doing.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49130791]It sounds like she's living life.[/QUOTE] Okay? Good for her? There's nothing inherently evil about having a ridiculously childish concept of womanhood, but this is a discussion about why she is or is not deserving of awards and praise, so it's kinda relevant in that respect.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49130791]Is it wrong to give awards to successful, famous people? I think being a successful transgendered person is a fair justification. She didn't become transgendered with the expectation of winning an award or anything. [editline]16th November 2015[/editline] It sounds like she's living life, which is what people should be doing.[/QUOTE] There's not anything wrong with what you're saying but none of it is a good reason for receiving an award. Like basically the conversation looks like this to everyone else "I don't think she really deserved that medal for marathon running, what she ran was actually pretty average" "Well can you do any better?" Like that's missing the point, people here (not necessarily me) aren't saying that she also should be put to the firing squad for not doing enough, they're just saying that maybe there are people who are more deserving of [i]woman of the year[/i] :v:

[video=youtube;gVusHE8IE-4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVusHE8IE-4[/video] Pretty much sums up how I feel about Caitlyn, I really just always questioned why she's getting awards, I mean the praise I can get to a point, but I really don't understand the awards.

The situation seems sort of akin to when Obama won the Nobel peace prize.

[QUOTE=Sableye;49130759]that joke isn't even funny though, its just really derogatory, ya this whole season has been some giant PC conspiracy but that joke fell flat every time they used it[/QUOTE] Are you serious?... I honestly can't tell. I'm sorry you seem offended.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49130704]And what do others have to lose by doing the same thing? A lot. She's making a change in society by becoming a role model that a lot of people know and respect. It's not just becoming transsexual for attention.[/QUOTE] Others have a lot more to lose. Normal people don't have a hundred million to fall back on Jenner doesn't actually have to function in society to live, buy things and not be homeless. Regular people need to hold down jobs and have a continuous source of income just to lead a life not just sit at home, because in the end when you have that much money where it literally doesn't matter what you do you will be able to live and not have to worry about anything.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;49130747]Nothing, but is anything else necessary? She helps contribute to the social acceptance of transgendered women by being successful and accepted herself. She's a household name for transgendered people. It's representation.[/QUOTE] I don't think Caitlyn can relate to any other transgendered people at all though. She was accepted as trans the minute she came out as female, and has plenty of money to comfort her at night. If they were gonna pick a trans person, why not someone who's actually done some good in the trans-community. Not some attention slut and her brain dead retarded family

I'm all for encouragement and positivity regarding coming out, but the moment you start giving out prizes and awards over it it just gets silly, especially if you don't treat anyone else the same way.

Dunno. I personally don't view the award as very important anyway. I've never heard of it until now, so I'm slightly apathetic. The way it seems to me, however, is that marketing transexuality to be a good thing with associations to successful people is a good way to change the national mindset. It's slightly cynical, but I don't believe they would be willing to give it to anyone else. Is that a problem? Yeah, but I don't really think it's more of a trade-off than what the intention is.

It's brave to come out as transgender, sure, and more should be done to encourage people who live in the closet to step out. But really, she only became an icon because of the fame she already had, and very few other transgendered people would be able to get the same praise, even though they've done exactly the same thing. You could argue that you're giving the award to every transgendered person by extension, but yeah. Not gonna get me our of my seat, though, it's entirely inconsequential - guess I just understand where he's coming from. Calling her a man is just blatant transphobia of course, and that shouldn't be condoned no matter what his wife did.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;49130597]What does she stand to lose by coming out Literally nothing She is insanely wealthy and what she did was not brave in any way. This is a big PR move to add to the enormous list of all other PR moves this leech of a family has done.[/QUOTE] Do you not understand the intense scrutiny people in the public eye come under every single day, especially those who are heavily featured in bullshit tabloids? For Caitlyn to come out she not only had to face all the usual shit that transgender folk put up with, but she had to put up with that [I]on the world stage[/I]. The difference between a thousand people knowing about your transition and millions knowing is astounding. Add to that the fact that many people were throwing accusations that she was doing it for attention or media interest or whatever else and I'm pretty sure that being true to herself and showing the world [I]who she truly is[/I] was something that could have sent her to the darkest pits of hell on a daily basis. Also by coming out on the public stage, she became a role model and symbol of hope for the many, many other trans folk out there. It's only by having representation in popular culture that things like discrimination against trans folk will start to cease. The trans suicide rate is multitudes higher than the average, and this should not be the case.