More than 100 Occupy activists arrested in Oakland after violent battle with police - Polidicks

[quote](CNN) -- Occupy activists tossed pipes, bottles, burning flares and other objects Saturday at Oakland police, who responded by using tear gas and smoke grenades and arresting more than 100 demonstrators, city and police officials said. Oakland has been a flash point of the Occupy movement since October when police used tear gas to break up demonstrators who refused to leave downtown. One demonstrator, a Marine veteran of the war in Iraq, suffered a skull fracture after being hit with a police projectile, according to a veteran's group. Police said they acted after the crowd threw paint and other objects at officers. On Saturday, police made mass arrests following an afternoon clash with protesters near the Kaiser Convention Center and then later outside a downtown YMCA, according to a police statement. The tension began Saturday around noon when about 250 activists gathered in Frank Ogawa Plaza. They were joined later by another 200 people as they marched around the city. Police said the protesters "began tearing down perimeter fences around" the Kaiser center around 2:30 p.m., with officers ordering the protesters to leave the area about 20 minutes later. "The City of Oakland welcomes peaceful forms of assembly and freedom of speech, but acts of violence, property destruction and overnight lodging will not be tolerated," the statement said. On its Twitter feed, Oakland police wrote that people near the YMCA were being arrested for unlawful assembly. Police claimed, too, that parts of the Oakland Museum and Kaiser Center were "severely impacted," with people cutting and tearing fences. Occupy protesters also blocked traffic at major intersections and attacked a KTVU television truck, damaging the truck and breaking windows, the station said. No injuries were reported. By nightfall, Occupy protesters moved toward Oakland City Hall, according to the group's Twitter feed. "Amazing day. We didnt get in the building, but fought like our future depended on it," the group tweeted. Posts on Occupy Oakland's Twitter feed claim that police met the protesters "with munitions and violence." One read: "#OccupyOakland being teargassed smoked bombed & shot at w rubber bullets." Oakland police said they used only smoke and tear gas. They did so after warning activists who had begun "destroying construction equipment and fencing" around the Kaiser center, authorities said. Officers were "pelted" with bottles, metal pipes, rocks and burning flares, according to another police statement released earlier in the day. While there was no immediate word on injuries to protesters, Oakland police said that three of their officers were hurt in the earlier clash. After that incident, roughly 500 activists returned to Ogawa Plaza, according to a police statement. Aerial video footage showed them later on the move and a post on Occupy Oakland's Twitter feed indicated they were planning to march to a "second building" -- an apparent reference to the YMCA. While touting the action as "Move-In Day" on their website, occupyoaklandmoveinday.org, organizers did not state what "large, vacant" building they planned to occupy. They also acknowledged that "like the encampment at Oscar Grant Plaza, the building move-in is not legal." But the group said the move was necessary, in part because "since November, the city of Oakland and its police force have made it impossible for us to meet, to serve food, and to provide a place for people to stay." "Occupy Oakland is about people providing for themselves and for others, since it is clear that the system can no longer provide for them," the group said on its website. "It is a place where people who are fed up can come together and develop new forms of struggle." In a letter to Mayor Jean Quan, the city council and the Oakland police department, protesters threatened several actions if authorities try to "evict us again." They included "blockading the airport indefinitely, occupying City Hall indefinitely, shutting down the Oakland ports" and getting help from the activist hacking group known as Anonymous. In mid-December, Occupy protesters shut down the Oakland port terminal. Following October's clashes with protesters, Police Chief Howard Jordan said "all allegations of misconduct and excessive uses of forces are being thoroughly investigated by internal and external investigative sources," according to a letter posted on the department's website. The website also solicits "input ... about police interactions with protesters during the Occupy Oakland protests." People are asked to contact the independent investigator who is looking into authorities' actions in October and November 2011.[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/28/us/california-occupy/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/url]

Stay classy Occupy.

[quote]"Amazing day. We didnt get in the building, but fought like our future depended on it," the group tweeted.[/quote] you've accomplished so much !!

Well I see nothing wrong with this. They tore down perimeter fences that pretty much say "Don't go past this", and were told to leave, and they didn't, and they proceeded to throw shit at the cops.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;34441105]Stay classy Occupy.[/QUOTE] Yeah, what a bunch of fucking peasants!! They should occupy a job!

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;34441365]and were told to leave, and they didn't[/QUOTE] Isn't that the entire point of a protest?

Fucking occupy peons, instead of fighting the apples why were you not cooking my big mac?

SPARTANS! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFaviIoy4rg[/media]

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;34441365]Well I see nothing wrong with this. They tore down perimeter fences that pretty much say "Don't go past this", and were told to leave, and they didn't, and they proceeded to throw shit at the cops.[/QUOTE] But cops aren't people and shouldn't be treated as such. Your allowed to throw things at your local police force because it lets society know how bad it is to be a part of a mob that is made up on unemployed people. They break into buildings that they do not have a right to, they don't own. They throw things at police that can be fucking deadly and they have the nerve to bitch about this? God damn be happy we're not fucking Syria or we'd just pull out the .50 cals and then see how much you can do with your fucking twitter and trespassing.

When the laws are made by the people who are the problem, it is no longer moral to follow the law simply because "it is the law". Obviously this doesn't mean that you should contradict it just because it exists, but that everyone's morality becomes more important in the role of controlling your actions. Facepunch forgets this too often. A large number of armed and dangerous thugs beating up people should not evoke a "they broke the law, they deserved it" response when there are no moral issues you have with it.

Occupy is still a thing that exists?

The media is very 'flavour of the month', so after a flurry of reporting things tend to get ignored

[QUOTE=Gundevil;34441667]But cops aren't people and shouldn't be treated as such.[/QUOTE] Wow. Just... wow. There... are no words. There really aren't. [QUOTE=Mattk50;34442345]When the laws are made by the people who are the problem, it is no longer moral to follow the law simply because "it is the law". Obviously this doesn't mean that you should contradict it just because it exists, but that everyone's morality becomes more important in the role of controlling your actions. Facepunch forgets this too often. A large number of armed and dangerous thugs beating up people should not evoke a "they broke the law, they deserved it" response when there are no moral issues you have with it.[/QUOTE] This isn't a morality question. They busted up a news van and started deliberately attacking police officers. For them to disperse the crowd once they start getting violent like that is perfectly justified. Policemen aren't a number of "armed and dangerous thugs". Sorry. Police brutality exists, and is a serious problem in American law enforcement, but that is just flat out not true. If you're going to try and justify the protesters' actions could you at least not spew idiotic dogma like that?

[QUOTE=Spooter;34442466]Wow. Just... wow. There... are no words. There really aren't. This isn't a morality question. They busted up a news van and started deliberately attacking police officers. For them to disperse the crowd once they start getting violent like that is perfectly justified. Policemen aren't a number of "armed and dangerous thugs". Sorry. Police brutality exists, and is a serious problem in American law enforcement, but that is just flat out not true. If you're going to try and justify the protesters' actions could you at least not spew idiotic dogma like that?[/QUOTE] They are working directly to enforce the laws of those whos main objective is to create profit for themselves and are both armed and have already hospitalized many protesters. I'd say that meets the definition of dangerous thugs but thats a tiny issue of semantics not to lose sleep over. I think you need to learn what dogma is, "this isnt a morality question period" is clearly followed by a moral issue in your directly contradictory and dogmatic paragraph.

At a quick glance I though the thread title was "More than 100 Occupy activists arrested in Oakland after violin battle with police" And here was me thinking they had set aside their differences to have a good old fashion hodown :smith:

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;34442546]At a quick glance I though the thread title was "More than 100 Occupy activists arrested in Oakland after violin battle with police" And here was me thinking they had set aside their differences to have a good old fashion hodown :smith:[/QUOTE] I guess The Devil went down to Oakland and got loads of dudes arrested

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Keep in mind this is Oakland Given what's gone down in the past the people there have a right to be angry

[QUOTE=Mattk50;34442512]They are working directly to enforce the laws of those whos main objective is to create profit for themselves and are both armed and have already hospitalized many protesters. I'd say that meets the definition of dangerous thugs but thats a tiny issue of semantics not to lose sleep over. I think you need to learn what dogma is, "this isnt a morality question period" is clearly followed by a moral issue in your directly contradictory and dogmatic paragraph.[/QUOTE]So, you're saying it's okay for protester!dangerous thugs to beat up the other police!dangerous thugs because they're not following laws? I want what you're smoking.

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;34442583]So, you're saying it's okay for protester!dangerous thugs to beat up the other police!dangerous thugs because they're not following laws? I want what you're smoking.[/QUOTE] bad reading [quote]Obviously this doesn't mean that you should contradict it just because it exists[/quote] What you said doesnt even apply. Im sure you did well in debate class.

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[QUOTE=Mattk50;34442512]They are working directly to enforce the laws of those whos main objective is to create profit for themselves and are both armed and have already hospitalized many protesters. I'd say that meets the definition of dangerous thugs but thats a tiny issue of semantics not to lose sleep over. I think you need to learn what dogma is, "this isnt a morality question period" is clearly followed by a moral issue in your directly contradictory and dogmatic paragraph.[/QUOTE] No... they're not. If by "those whos main objective is to create profit for themselves" you mean congress, no. Are you saying that every policeman should instantly stop enforcing the law because congress is corrupt? Because they're really not enforcing any laws that congress has passed due to greed, the stuff they're policing regularly is more like the basic laws against murder and robbery. My reply isn't contradictory either. I suppose technically there is a morality question about my following example, but it's a question like "Is one minus zero one?" There's really only one reasonable answer as to whether what they did is moral or not. Also, I do know what dogma means, though I like how you just spat the word back at me as a sort of "no u".

God, this whole thing just reminds me of the stereotype dorky kid who thinks doing anything "bad" is cool. :v:

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34442580]Keep in mind this is Oakland Given what's gone down in the past the people there have a right to be angry[/QUOTE] angry? theyre making shields with spray painted peace symbols on them and stoning the cops theyre fuckin pissed

Occupy was a pretty good success in terms of shifting political discussion. We are now talking about Income Inequality and people are complaining about Mitt Romney's 15% tax rate, etc.

We would have way more reporting on this if there was a megathread. But garry being garry...

[QUOTE=Zenreon117;34441663]SPARTANS! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFaviIoy4rg[/media][/QUOTE] Pretty appropriate considering that the Spartans lost horribly several times. Shit like this is going to accomplish absoloutely nothing at all, well, except for wasting tasxpayers money on police ordinance. I'm suprised the police didn't have riot shields, they relly need to start using roman military tactics more, advancing spearhead with riot shields right into the heart of them and encouraging them to break up via sheld bashing.

It gives the police of oakland something to do other then...their jobs? Oakland kind of has limited resources and their mayor is just throwing thousands of officers at a something that needs a fraction of it.

[QUOTE=Spooter;34442466]Wow. Just... wow. There... are no words. There really aren't.[/QUOTE] You know, I figured hey, give them a chance, don't put a /sarcasm because they can probably figure it out. You've ruined my hopes for humanity just a bit more. /sarcasm.

occupy is still going on? I haven't heard anything of it for awhile.