• Trump attorney won't rule out firing Mueller
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[img]http://static.politico.com/dims4/default/a4005d3/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F63%2F60%2Ff756665d431c94e6f37b8fac91ea%2F170517-robert-mueller-1-gty-1160.jpg[/img] [quote] One of President Donald Trump’s attorneys on Sunday wouldn't rule out the possibility the president would fire the special counsel appointed to look into his campaign’s potential ties to Russia. Robert Mueller was appointed by the Justice Department last month to investigate Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election. And on Sunday, ABC's George Stephanopoulos asked Trump attorney Jay Sekulow whether the president would pledge not to interfere or order the attorney general to fire Mueller. [/quote] [url="http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/11/trump-mueller-special-counsel-239396"]Politico[/url] If he gets fired, it should immediately trigger impeachment.
I disagree; an obstruction charge would be a lot grayer, less to do with evidence and more to do with interpreting "does this count as obstruction". Republicans would do their best to keep their noses clean while they shot it down, but a collusion charge would be absolutely damning. It would hurt not just Trump (who would be removed from office or resign), but also the republican brand for at least another election cycle. The democrats get one shot at this. [I]"If you come at the king, you best not miss"[/I]
Get the feeling these new attorneys he's bought in might help turn things around for Trump.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341605]Get the feeling these new attorneys he's bought in might help turn things around for Trump.[/QUOTE] You mean the same attorneys that said Comey is a leaker, despite the fact that Comey wrote the memos for public domain?
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;52341621]You mean the same attorneys that said Comey is a leaker, despite the fact that Comey wrote the memos for public domain?[/QUOTE] Well yeah, they seem to have the chance to completely turn this around on Comey and possibly have him done for perjury.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341631]Well yeah, they seem to have the chance to completely turn this around on Comey and possibly have him done for perjury.[/QUOTE] How do you figure? There's nothing to indicate Comey committed perjury as far as I'm aware.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341631]Well yeah, they seem to have the chance to completely turn this around on Comey and possibly have him done for perjury.[/QUOTE] Mate, there's no way Comey is going to be charged with perjury. The timeline he gave under oath is consistent with everything that's public knowledge.
[QUOTE=Asaratha;52341641]what perjury has he commit??[/QUOTE] Criticizing our lord and savior Donald Trump, obviously.
[QUOTE=Asaratha;52341641]what perjury has he commit??[/QUOTE] The kind that only exists in the minds of Trump and his supporters
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341631]Well yeah, they seem to have the chance to completely turn this around on Comey and possibly have him done for perjury.[/QUOTE] You believe that meme about Comey having perjured himself too? Shouldn't be surprised, but I should tell you that Comey was under oath in front of Congress. The orange man's lawyer tried to spin these [quote]“[On February 14, President Trump] then said, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.” [At a dinner on January 27] the President said, “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty.” ... [Later in the dinner] he then said, “I need loyalty.”[/quote] as lies by claiming that Trump never said the following statements. On top of this there is literally zero evidence that Comey's statements are actually false. Why is there no evidence being presented by Trump to contradict Comey? and no, binders full of blank papers like that stunt he pulled before the election dont count.
[QUOTE=srobins;52341638]How do you figure? There's nothing to indicate Comey committed perjury as far as I'm aware.[/QUOTE] He said he leaked his memo to the NYT in response to one of Trump's tweets, but the NYT was quoting his memos before the tweet went out.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341654]He said he leaked his memo to the NYT in response to one of Trump's tweets, but the NYT was quoting his memos before the tweet went out.[/QUOTE] The NYT was quoting associates of Comey who had heard the same story detailed in the memos. It was a clever half-truth for Trump's lawyer to claim that Comey contradicted his own timeline, but it's simply not true. If you read the NYT article that they cite, there was no memo released, they sourced the story from friends of Comey whom he had told the same story that was written in the memo. The actual memos were leaked after the Tweet.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341654]He said he leaked his memo to the NYT in response to one of Trump's tweets, but the NYT was quoting his memos before the tweet went out.[/QUOTE] If I understood correctly, he'd already discussed the contents of the memo with others and that's what the NYT was reporting on.
There should be repercussions for Trump's lawyer lying about the timeline, but I'm assuming there isn't any? It seems funny that Trump and his team try so hard to catch people for tiny little details and claims of slander but then tell demonstrably false lies to the public in order to smear Comey and nobody says a word about it.
man whoaly I bet you sure are mad that trump's lawyer just lied to you I mean since you hate lying and all
[QUOTE=srobins;52341661]The NYT was quoting associates of Comey who had heard the same story detailed in the memos. It was a clever half-truth for Trump's lawyer to claim that Comey contradicted his own timeline, but it's simply not true. If you read the NYT article that they cite, there was no memo released, they sourced the story from friends of Comey whom he had told the same story that was written in the memo. The actual memos were leaked after the Tweet.[/QUOTE] I'm sure the conspirators are scrambling to tie up the loose ends, the article has probably been edited or deleted.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341684]I'm sure the conspirators are scrambling to tie up the loose ends, the article has probably been edited or deleted.[/QUOTE] go check archive.org or waybackmachine and see if you can catch the conspirators red handed. Oh wait, I'm sure archive.org and waybackmachine are also in on the conspiracy. Guess we'll never know :)
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341684]I'm sure the conspirators are scrambling to tie up the loose ends, the article has probably been edited or deleted.[/QUOTE] Everything is a massive conspiracy out to get poor little trump
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341684]I'm sure the conspirators are scrambling to tie up the loose ends, the article has probably been edited or deleted.[/QUOTE] Ever heard of Occam's Razor? What's more likely: - Trump's attorney presenting a half-truth and trying to undermine Comey with that - A large-scale conspiracy involving the (ex-)Director of the FBI, the NYT and fuck knows who else to cover up something that achieved national coverage
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;52341708]Ever heard of Occam's Razor? What's more likely: - Trump's attorney presenting a half-truth and trying to undermine Comey with that - A large-scale conspiracy involving the (ex-)Director of the FBI, the NYT and fuck knows who else to cover up something that achieved national coverage[/QUOTE] In the mind of Whoaly, the latter. He's said before that he'll bend over backwards in order to defend Trump regardless of how absurd it looks.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52341717]In the mind of Whoaly, the latter. He's said before that he'll bend over backwards in order to defend Trump regardless of how absurd it looks.[/QUOTE] Try Trump supporters in general.
[I][/I][QUOTE=srobins;52341667]There should be repercussions for Trump's lawyer lying about the timeline, but I'm assuming there isn't any? It seems funny that Trump and his team try so hard to catch people for tiny little details and claims of slander but then tell demonstrably false lies to the public in order to smear Comey and nobody says a word about it.[/QUOTE] IFF you can prove that his lawyer is intentionally lying to the public, he could be disbarred theoretically. The problem is that his statements could be plausibly argued as incompetence instead of an outright lie. [I]Trump's team didn't mean to convey faulty information, they're just not good at their jobs. So what if these statements helped feed right into his apologists propaganda?[/I]
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341684]I'm sure the conspirators are scrambling to tie up the loose ends, the article has probably been edited or deleted.[/QUOTE] just like the pizza place in the pizzagate incident had no basement but morons insisted that it was 'bricked up' despite the plans becoming a matter of public record? :downs:
Whoaly is in the thread... :thisthread:
On topic, I can't imagine this would actually happen. I don't even think Trump or his lawyer has the authority to do so.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52341717]In the mind of Whoaly, the latter. He's said before that he'll bend over backwards in order to defend Trump regardless of how absurd it looks.[/QUOTE] Not anymore, I hate Trump now, wasn't what I hoped for. But I'll still only criticize him on a basis which is consistent with my ideological outlook: ie, never from a pro-establishment/socially liberal perspective.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;52341746]Not anymore, I hate Trump now, wasn't what I hoped for. But I'll still only criticize him on a basis which is consistent with my ideological outlook: ie, never from a pro-establishment/socially liberal perspective.[/QUOTE] I'm dying to know how Trump failed to meet your expectations
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52341764]I'm dying to know how Trump failed to meet your expectations[/QUOTE] Don't you remember? It was after Trump's Syrian airstrikes. One of Whoaly's big concerns during the election was Hillary starting WW3 by intervening in Syria.
Wait, I thought Trump wasn't able to fire the special prosectutor?
[QUOTE=The Vman;52341811]Don't you remember? It was after Trump's Syrian airstrikes. One of Whoaly's big concerns during the election was Hillary starting WW3 by intervening in Syria.[/QUOTE] Among other things. I admit that I projected certain expectations onto Trump, and was willfully ignorant of his dumb, easily manipulated nature, and his personal lack of any real principles. I still think he's been better than Hillary, but I had the bar set at rock bottom there so not surprising. What's really sad is he seems to be letting Paul Ryan control his domestic agenda, if he simply kept to the Bernie-Sanders-esque promises of his campaign he'd be looking at massive reelection in 2020.
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