Ex-National Security Adviser, Michael Flynn, 'to defy Senate Russia inquiry'
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[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40004300"]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40004300[/URL]
[QUOTE]The fired US national security adviser will refuse to hand over documents to a Senate panel investigating alleged Russian meddling in the US election.
Michael Flynn reportedly plans to invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination on Monday.
The Senate Intelligence Committee is probing possible links between the Trump campaign and Kremlin.
Mr Flynn quit in February, after it emerged he lied about the nature of his contacts with the Russian ambassador.
The committee issued a subpoena - a legal summons - two weeks ago to obtain the documents.
My Flynn's lawyer had previously demanded legal immunity from "unfair prosecution" in order to cooperate with the committee.
Last week the committee's chairman Senator Richard Burr told reporters that Mr Flynn was "not cooperating" with the investigation, adding that they had not received "a definitive answer" on whether he would testify.
Mr Flynn is also being investigated by the Department of Defense, after it was revealed that he received payments from Russia and Turkey shortly after leaving the Pentagon.
If he continues to refuse to comply with Senate investigators, it is thought they could vote to hold him in contempt of Congress, or even refer his case for possible criminal charges.[/QUOTE]
He's pleading the Fifth. Funny, this is the first time I've heard of someone doing that seriously, and not as a joke.
Whoops. You beat my thread be three minutes.
Copy-paste my article in here too for an additional source:
[quote] Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn will invoke his Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination on Monday as he notifies the Senate Intelligence committee that he will not comply with a subpoena seeking documents.
That's according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter. The person spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the private interactions between Flynn and the committee.
The Wall Street Journal also reported that Flynn will decline to cooperate with a Senate subpoena, citing a source close to the matter.[/quote]
[url]http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/22/flynn-will-invoke-fifth-amendment-source.html[/url]
Reports indicating that Flynn's lawyer communicated intent to refuse to comply with the investigation broke last week, but were denied by the Intelligence Committee. It is now confirmed: Flynn will not be honoring the subpoena, and has refused to testify under his fifth amendment rights against self incrimination.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52260862]Whoops. You beat my thread be three minutes.[/QUOTE]
Ha, not letting what happened to me happen again ;)
The right to silence and privilege against self incrimination is an interesting one. I'll make it clear that Flynn expressing these rights does not mean he's guilty. There's plenty of ways you can incriminate yourself without being guilty.
But it's also important to note that apparently no Obama White House picks ever invoked this right.
Things are getting very, very tricky.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52260872]Ha, not letting what happened to me happen again ;)
The right to silence and privilege against self incrimination is an interesting one. I'll make it clear that Flynn expressing these rights does not mean he's guilty. There's plenty of ways you can incriminate yourself without being guilty.
But it's also important to note that apparently no Obama White House picks ever invoked this right.
Things are getting very, very tricky.[/QUOTE]
When he tried to get immunity against prosecution in return for his revelations, they (Senate committee) said that they were shooting that down, but said it might change in the future. I understand the concept of the 5th being used here to avoid incriminating himself, but that's still not going to save him if Congress introduces proceedings against him for holding said body in contempt.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52260872]Ha, not letting what happened to me happen again ;)
The right to silence and privilege against self incrimination is an interesting one. I'll make it clear that Flynn expressing these rights does not mean he's guilty. There's plenty of ways you can incriminate yourself without being guilty.
But it's also important to note that apparently no Obama White House picks ever invoked this right.
Things are getting very, very tricky.[/QUOTE]
Having the right to invoke the fifth doesn't mean you should, especially given the nature of the charges. The entire Trump administration is implicated in potential TREASON: their only chance at legitimacy in the eyes of the country and the world is to put these charges to rest completely. There can be no doubt that they have fully complied with the investigation and made no efforts at obfuscation or obstruction.
Basically: this is fucking shady. Trump and his pals should be cooperating with this investigation completely and publicly so that they can put it behind them and move on. That they are doing the exact opposite, trying to burden and obstruct it, is both suspicious and concerning. The legitimacy of our government is in question -- shouldn't they be trying to reassure us that the fears are unfounded?
Furthermore, he's doing more than just refusing to testify: he's refusing to comply with a subpoena for records. His 5th amendment rights do not extend to burying evidence.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52260892]Having the right to invoke the fifth doesn't mean you should, especially given the nature of the charges. The entire Trump administration is implicated in potential TREASON: their only chance at legitimacy in the eyes of the country and the world is to put these charges to rest completely. There can be no doubt that they have fully complied with the investigation and made no efforts at obfuscation or obstruction.
Basically: this is fucking shady. Trump and his pals should be cooperating with this investigation completely and publicly so that they can put it behind them and move on. That they are doing the exact opposite, trying to burden and obstruct it, is both suspicious and confirming.
Furthermore, he's doing more than just refusing to testify: he's refusing to comply with a subpoena for records. His 5th amendment rights do not extend to burying evidence.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, I understand that very much. I'm not defending him in any way. I'm just saying by itself that doesn't make him guilty.
But with all the other evidence around... I'd give it a 90% chance he's guilty.
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/535415461270536192[/media]
He really does have a tweet for everything.
[QUOTE=Flapjacks;52260917][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/535415461270536192[/media]
He really does have a tweet for everything.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, rather than stay silent, attempt to impede any investigations into your possible malfeasance at every possible opportunity. Get investigators fired. Abuse legal loopholes. Accidentally imply criminality.
[i]That'll convince them for sure![/i]
[QUOTE=Flapjacks;52260917][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/535415461270536192[/media]
He really does have a tweet for everything.[/QUOTE]
"Im no fan of Bill Cosby, but that man knows how to grab by the Pussy!"
[QUOTE=Flapjacks;52260917][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/535415461270536192[/media]
He really does have a tweet for everything.[/QUOTE]
I'm gonna second the coining of "Wew's Law" from that other thread.
Isn't this just going to end up screwing Flynn over? It only makes him look uncooperative at best and they can still get a warrant to seize the stuff they were subpoenaing him for.
[QUOTE=Flapjacks;52260917][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/535415461270536192[/media]
He really does have a tweet for everything.[/QUOTE]
has donald trump been cursed by some kind of witch for everything he's ever tweeted to come back on him in an ironic twist?
[QUOTE=Flapjacks;52260917][media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/535415461270536192[/media]
He really does have a tweet for everything.[/QUOTE]
...does that extend to him projecting his own potential tendencies of drugging women as well? :worried:
So basically he has confirmed he has ties to Russia but in a way that cannot be used in court against him. Lovely. I'm sure that defiance will make for good youtube when the police show up to serve an arrest warrant for comtempt.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;52260850]
He's pleading the Fifth. Funny, this is the first time I've heard of someone doing that seriously, and not as a joke.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finding_Lois_Lerner_in_contempt_of_Congress"]Not the first time I've seen it. [/URL]
Very suspicious either way.
And inevitably this will be seen as some 12464378 D chess move
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52260892]Having the right to invoke the fifth doesn't mean you should, especially given the nature of the charges. The entire Trump administration is implicated in potential TREASON: their only chance at legitimacy in the eyes of the country and the world is to put these charges to rest completely. There can be no doubt that they have fully complied with the investigation and made no efforts at obfuscation or obstruction.
Basically: this is fucking shady. Trump and his pals should be cooperating with this investigation completely and publicly so that they can put it behind them and move on. That they are doing the exact opposite, trying to burden and obstruct it, is both suspicious and concerning. The legitimacy of our government is in question -- shouldn't they be trying to reassure us that the fears are unfounded?
Furthermore, he's doing more than just refusing to testify: he's refusing to comply with a subpoena for records. His 5th amendment rights do not extend to burying evidence.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing. About the records, can't they get a warrant, and charge Flynn if he refuses to comply? Or a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request on the records?
[QUOTE=Snapster;52261331][media]https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/781235944305287168[/media][/QUOTE]
Holy shit even FOX? Damn
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52261396]Holy shit even FOX? Damn[/QUOTE]
Read the date of the tweet, at the time they were probably shitting on Hillary
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;52261446]Read the date of the tweet, at the time they were probably shitting on Hillary[/QUOTE]
Oh I'm blind
Contempt of Congress is kind of complicated and rarely enforced, which is why the FBI/special counsel investigation is really more important because they are better equipped to overcome this kind of stuff
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