My buddy asked me about this earlier today trying to get some more information on it. I myself have no experience with this stuff or any other PH. He wants a boost but is too big of a pussy to buy an actual bicycle. Thoughts on this stuff and any recommendations over it?
The product in question:[URL]http://www.a1supplements.com/SOS-500-60-Capsules-p-17951.html[/URL]
[quote] SOS 500 should be followed by PCT 350 for maximum effect.[/quote]
lol they actually called it pct
for a first cycle, this is a pretty awful supplement. It has Hdrol, Max LMG, and Androsterone in it.
Prohormones are best used 1 compound at a time. Your body doesn't really have the enzyme makeup to be processing 3 foreign hormones all at once.
For a first cycle, the best thing to do would be to take hdrol at 50mg ed for 6 weeks. Some people would disagree with the length of cycle but hdrol usually really kicks in during week 4 and on.
Decent strength gains, slight weight gain, fat loss for sure, and mild ballsack suppression.
Where do you learn this bullshit? That's some insane broscience holy shit, the body can't process 3 foreign hormones at once is that why serious bodybuilders stack tons of things on top of each other?
Weight gain is all diet related, fat loss is all diet related (mast, tren, primo are pretty much only sterons proven to destroy fat on a caloric surplus), and your balls will be [b]entirely[/b] shut down. Putting hormones in your body prompts shutdown, regardless of what they are. It might take a week or two but it's going to happen, and it sure as hell won't be "mild." That's almost as bad as the faggots who think they can take anavar and never be suppressed.
I have experience with prohormones and all I can say is that I regret wasting my time with them. If you're going to cycle anything, use "real" steroids and get real results. You'll get results with prohormones but they're pathetic compared to the real deal, you're putting your body in all the same risks (even more if you take into account hepatoxicity) for much poorer results when using prohormones.
the body cannot process 3 prohormones at once efficiently. prohormones are precursor chemicals to anabolic hormones, and enzymes within your body are what turn the chemicals into an active form. Your body can only convert as much as the amount of enzymes you have to convert them. these enzymes are limited. it's not broscience, it's science. lol..
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[QUOTE=Shovelpass;38084068]Where do you learn this bullshit? That's some insane broscience holy shit, the body can't process 3 foreign hormones at once is that why serious bodybuilders stack tons of things on top of each other?
Weight gain is all diet related, fat loss is all diet related (mast, tren, primo are pretty much only sterons proven to destroy fat on a caloric surplus), and your balls will be [b]entirely[/b] shut down. Putting hormones in your body prompts shutdown, regardless of what they are. It might take a week or two but it's going to happen, and it sure as hell won't be "mild." That's almost as bad as the faggots who think they can take anavar and never be suppressed.
I have experience with prohormones and all I can say is that I regret wasting my time with them. If you're going to cycle anything, use "real" steroids and get real results. You'll get results with prohormones but they're pathetic compared to the real deal, you're putting your body in all the same risks (even more if you take into account hepatoxicity) for much poorer results when using prohormones.[/QUOTE]
You must not have used prohormones right. And anavar is by far the least suppressive oral steroid. I presume you have not much first hand experience with prohormones.
And hdrol won't suppress your htpa nearly as much as an injectable steroid.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38084420][B]the body cannot process 3 prohormones at once efficiently. prohormones are precursor chemicals to anabolic hormones, and enzymes within your body are what turn the chemicals into an active form[/B]. Your body can only convert as much as the amount of enzymes you have to convert them. these enzymes are limited. it's not broscience, it's science. lol..
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You must not have used prohormones right. And anavar is by far the least suppressive oral steroid. I presume you have not much first hand experience with prohormones.
And hdrol won't suppress your htpa nearly as much as an injectable steroid.[/QUOTE]
uhhh you realize your body processes literally 20+ prohormones a day right?
Provide a legitimate source for this or stop spouting broscience.
Next you're going try tell us about receptor saturation.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38099070]uhhh you realize your body processes literally 20+ prohormones a day right?
Provide a legitimate source for this or stop spouting broscience.
Next you're going try tell us about receptor saturation.[/QUOTE]
once again, tis science silly. your body processes 20+ prohormones that are native to your body. tahahaa, your body just doesn't have the enzymes to process foreign prohormones like that.
hey atta boy, you know about receptor saturation. atttaa boy
next you're gonna try and say everything you learn in college level science courses is broscience.
I don't know why on earth you're learning about physiology in a college level science course.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;38102047]I don't know why on earth you're learning about physiology in a college level science course.[/QUOTE]
human physiology. you kidding me lol?
I highly doubt you're learning about prohormones and steroids in a physiology course. I bet you're just hearing shit and trying to apply it to this kinds of stuff.
The body cannot think. It doesn't know if a prohormone is native or not, just how when you inject test it does not know the test is coming from an external source. All it knows is that you have way too much fucking test, commence shut down of testicles because we don't need any more of this shit.
So the human body only has enough enzymes for the 20+ prohormones it processes? Or it only has enough left over to process one prohormone? What about amounts, if you take too much of that prohormone it can't be processed? What if you took half the dose but of two different prohormones, would it be able to process it?
You're assigning arbitrary numbers to things, it's absolutely retarded. It's totally okay to take one prohormone but a mix of THREE!? HOLY SHIT DUDE SLOW DOWN NOT ENOUGH ENZYMES.
[QUOTE=Shovelpass;38106604]I highly doubt you're learning about prohormones and steroids in a physiology course. I bet you're just hearing shit and trying to apply it to this kinds of stuff.
The body cannot think. It doesn't know if a prohormone is native or not, just how when you inject test it does not know the test is coming from an external source. All it knows is that you have way too much fucking test, commence shut down of testicles because we don't need any more of this shit.
So the human body only has enough enzymes for the 20+ prohormones it processes? Or it only has enough left over to process one prohormone? What about amounts, if you take too much of that prohormone it can't be processed? What if you took half the dose but of two different prohormones, would it be able to process it?
You're assigning arbitrary numbers to things, it's absolutely retarded. It's totally okay to take one prohormone but a mix of THREE!? HOLY SHIT DUDE SLOW DOWN NOT ENOUGH ENZYMES.[/QUOTE]
lol play the devil's advocate all you want bud.
Admit you were wrong and maybe youll learn something. He disagreed with you to begin with.
I would appreciate you share your knowledge instead boasting about it, i.e give some answers instead of saying irrelevant petty ego filled bullshit
hmm. boast? me? don't believe so. just trying to help op, couldn't care less about the rest of you.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38101467]once again, tis science silly. your body processes 20+ prohormones that are native to your body. tahahaa, your body just doesn't have the enzymes to process foreign prohormones like that.
[B]hey atta boy, you know about receptor saturation. atttaa boy[/B]
next you're gonna try and say everything you learn in college level science courses is broscience.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I know about it. I know it's bullshit and only believed by retards like you.
Receptors upregulate in the presence of more androgen. This is literally in any medical literature you care to look at on the matter. Receptor saturation is the biggest load of shit ever.
Also stop saying attaboy, boy, and taahaa, it makes you look like a fucking mong, which probably isn't far from the reality.
okay then. tell me how quickly receptors can upregulate then. because receptor saturation is just as much a medical fact, and taught in universities all over. taha
and i haven't seen any sources for the biased shit that exits your fingertips. i see you're no stranger to delusional thinking, fella.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38132906]okay then. tell me how quickly receptors can upregulate then. because receptor saturation is just as much a medical fact, and taught in universities all over. taha
and i haven't seen any sources for the biased shit that exits your fingertips. i see you're no stranger to delusional thinking, fella.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://thinksteroids.com/articles/androgen-receptor-regulation/[/url]
The burden of proof is on you cunt. You're the one coming in making ridiculous claims that people are calling bs on.
Have you actually said "taha" to see what it sounds like? You sound like a fucking idiot, stop saying it.
Yeah man receptors can get saturated that's why bodybuilders take a million different compounds at extreme doses and don't get anything out of it.
Weeks 1-10
ephedrine
aspirin
clenbuterol
valium
captagon-- scheduled 1 drug in the US, meaning no legitimate medical use-- it is an amphetamine-type stimulant
cytomel
Weeks 1-5
500mg daily of test enanthate 3.5 grams a week
152mg daily of parabolan
150mg daily of dianabol
150mg daily of halotestin
20 IU daily of HGH
20 IU daily of Insulin
Weeks 6-8
300mg daily of masteron
152mg daily of parabolan
250mg daily of winstrol tabs
150mg daily of halotestin
50mg daily of winstrol inj
24 IU daily of HGH
Weeks 9-10
200mg daily of masteron
100mg daily of winny inj
200mg daily of halotestin
400mg daily of winny tabs
24 IU daily of HGH
Insulin daily
IGF-1 daily
If receptor saturation was true, pro bodybuilders wouldn't be having success with running such retarded amounts of gear.
finally; an article from a credible source; you fucking tinook.
the article discusses the androgen receptor that deals with aas; not prohormones.. different enzymes are responsible for processing prohormones. enzymes that your body normally would not produce. sure, upregulation is almost definitely going to happen, but you can't predict whether or not there is a cap to the upregulation.
so don't act like a know it all, piglet lookin ass.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38134052]finally; an article from a credible source; you fucking tinook.
the article discusses the androgen receptor that deals with aas; not prohormones.. different enzymes are responsible for processing prohormones. enzymes that your body normally would not produce. sure, upregulation is almost definitely going to happen, but you can't predict whether or not there is a cap to the upregulation.
so don't act like a know it all, piglet lookin ass.[/QUOTE]
Prohormones convert to active substances. The enzyme conversion has NOTHING to do with receptors. I posted that article because you seem to believe receptor saturation is a real thing w/r/t AAS.
So now you are trying to jump topics in attempt to cover the fact you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
YOU still haven't provided sources for anything you've said.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38135696]Prohormones convert to active substances. The enzyme conversion has NOTHING to do with receptors. I posted that article because you seem to believe receptor saturation is a real thing w/r/t AAS.
So now you are trying to jump topics in attempt to cover the fact you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
YOU still haven't provided sources for anything you've said.[/QUOTE]
enzyme conversion rate was the initial main point i made. i figured anyone knew that by taking intro to fucking biology hahaha. your body has limited enzymes you fucking anal seep. do you even realize what thread you're in? you're massive source didn't even properly address the question if receptor saturation has nothing to do with enzyme conversion.
you're so anal because you love that feeling of being king of the hill when you're knowledge is obviously limited. have fun misinforming.
i really suggest you read a biology text book rather than getting all your info from some steroid site.
and i'm not posting a source because i'm proving that with you're source, there isn't enough relevant info to prove 3 prohormones don't cause a overflow in the first place.. just simply stating that you think you know more than you actually do.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38138253]enzyme conversion rate was the initial main point i made. i figured anyone knew that by taking intro to fucking biology hahaha. your body has limited enzymes you fucking anal seep. do you even realize what thread you're in? you're massive source didn't even properly address the question if receptor saturation has nothing to do with enzyme conversion.
you're so anal because you love that feeling of being king of the hill when you're knowledge is obviously limited. have fun misinforming.
i really suggest you read a biology text book rather than getting all your info from some steroid site.
and i'm not posting a source because i'm proving that with you're source, there isn't enough relevant info to prove 3 prohormones don't cause a overflow in the first place.. just simply stating that you think you know more than you actually do.[/QUOTE]
"i could post proof but i don't want to!!!"
Go jerk off in a corner dumbass.
what don't you get? you posted 'proof' that didn't even address the question properly. pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument is all i need to know that your knowledge is limited on the subject. my argument is that your argument is weak. go read a bio textbook, once again. read up on enzymes and substrates you phony.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38138633]what don't you get? you posted 'proof' that didn't even address the question properly. pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument is all i need to know that your knowledge is limited on the subject. my argument is that your argument is weak. go read a bio textbook, once again. read up on enzymes and substrates you phony.[/QUOTE]
No, you just have terrible reading comprehension. You are pants on head retarded.
I posted that link because "hey atta boy, you know about receptor saturation. atttaa boy" "because receptor saturation is just as much a medical fact, and taught in universities all over. taha"
Such a fact that you're so dumb you couldn't comprehend that it would depend entirely on the action of the particular substance and the type of receptor? No wait, according to you this is a hard fact that has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of context. I posted that link because you seem to believe receptor saturation is a "fact" - despite this not being shown in any medical literature on AAS, ever.
Calling my argument weak while you hide behind strawman arguments is pretty ironic. But w/e I'll play:
So if enzymes are limited why would aromatase enzyme upregulate in the presence of more testosterone? Clearly if it was limited we wouldn't have to worry about aromatization with any steroid metabolized by the enzyme because it would stay constant by your logic.
If enzymes were limited, there would be a hard cap on how much of certain vitamins you could intake per day. But the relationship we constantly see with prohoromones such as vitamin d3 is that the body processes them very efficiently even at high dosages.
You haven't pointed out shit, you've hid behind strawman arguments, deflection and your cock mouthed air of superiority because you're paying for an education that you could've got with a few overdue fees from the local library. Good job retard.
"So if enzymes are limited why would aromatase enzyme upregulate in the presence of more testosterone? Clearly if it was limited we wouldn't have to worry about aromatization with any steroid metabolized by the enzyme because it would stay constant by your logic.
If enzymes were limited, there would be a hard cap on how much of certain vitamins you could intake per day. But the relationship we constantly see with prohoromones such as vitamin d3 is that the body processes them very efficiently even at high dosages."
vitamin d3 is something the human body is prepared to handle and actually needs. evolution doesn't incorporate the use of prohormones like hdrol and epistane and xtren fool. you don't don't see yourself constantly jumping to conclusions? you play connect the dots worse than a three year old. lul and aromatase enzyme upregulates in the presence of testosterone? who cares? that has nothing to with the topic at hand. you are making a generalization that all enzymatic processes are identical. there are many examples of a limit of enzymes that causes a backup of substrate. please, please go back and learn actually biology before pretending to be an endocrinologist. enzymes greatly vary in concentration.
[QUOTE=ToxicJoy;38142126]"So if enzymes are limited why would aromatase enzyme upregulate in the presence of more testosterone? Clearly if it was limited we wouldn't have to worry about aromatization with any steroid metabolized by the enzyme because it would stay constant by your logic.
If enzymes were limited, there would be a hard cap on how much of certain vitamins you could intake per day. But the relationship we constantly see with prohoromones such as vitamin d3 is that the body processes them very efficiently even at high dosages."
vitamin d3 is something the human body is prepared to handle and actually needs. evolution doesn't incorporate the use of prohormones like hdrol and epistane and xtren fool. you don't don't see yourself constantly jumping to conclusions? you play connect the dots worse than a three year old. lul and aromatase enzyme upregulates in the presence of testosterone? who cares? that has nothing to with the topic at hand. you are making a generalization that all enzymatic processes are identical. there are many examples of a limit of enzymes that causes a backup of substrate. please, please go back and learn actually biology before pretending to be an endocrinologist. enzymes greatly vary in concentration.[/QUOTE]
evolution doesn't incorporate the use of foreign steroid compounds like trenbolone, dianabol, oxandrolone, drostanolone, etc...... But they all work. The human body doesn't NEED any of these, so by your logic they would just cease to function for some retarded reason.
Aromatase is perfect example of a non limited substrate enzyme, which you seem to believe is a limited resource despite the fact YOU STILL HAVENT PROVIDED A SINGLE FUCKING SOURCE.
I never made that generalization, in fact your the one who jumped to generalizations with your "receptor saturation is a medical fact" bullshit. I offered an example of why your statement was wrong, you offered nothing but more straw man bullshit. If it's such a hard fact that your body only has a limited amount of enzymes to handle conversion, then you should be able to back that up - which is all anyone has been asking of you from moment one retard.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;38143545]evolution doesn't incorporate the use of foreign steroid compounds like trenbolone, dianabol, oxandrolone, drostanolone, etc...... But they all work. The human body doesn't NEED any of these, so by your logic they would just cease to function for some retarded reason.
Aromatase is perfect example of a non limited substrate enzyme, which you seem to believe is a limited resource despite the fact YOU STILL HAVENT PROVIDED A SINGLE FUCKING SOURCE.
I never made that generalization, in fact your the one who jumped to generalizations with your "receptor saturation is a medical fact" bullshit. I offered an example of why your statement was wrong, you offered nothing but more straw man bullshit. If it's such a hard fact that your body only has a limited amount of enzymes to handle conversion, then you should be able to back that up - which is all anyone has been asking of you from moment one retard.[/QUOTE]
tren, dbol, winstrol, etc don't even need to be converted before they are active, so why are you talking about them here? they don't even require enzyme conversion. and aromatase enzyme probably has quite a large limit, which i correct of you to say, but i really don't see how the very specific and unique role of aromatase enzyme determines much.. and you're right i did say receptor saturation is a medical fact, when i truly don't know that haha. so i'll admit my arguement isn't the best i just didn't like that you were stomping all over my initial post like godzilla without even considering any aspect of what i was proposing. it's whatever though, i have only love in my heart, and i love to talk about this shit, so sorry about the hostility. i'm sure the more testosterone you put in your body, the more your receptors upregulate. I completely believe that. I just feel like the buildup of substrates due to limited enzymes (which only applies to prohormones, the conversion of a hormone to another hormone) would pose some sort of inefficiency.
and i'll do my best to find a source giving evidence of substrate backup due to a limit in enzymes. i no longer have my textbook. sorry for the name calling, we were still classier than the presidential debate nonetheless.
[url]http://www.enzymedicablog.com/enzyme-deficiencies/[/url]
"The most common enzyme deficiency is lactose intolerance affecting about 25% of us."
this article talks about the enzymes that digest food, and explains how enzyme deficiency and variation is nothing new and nothing hard to believe.
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10445387[/url]
grapefruit juice alters enzyme activity, allowing for increased uptake of certain chemicals. may not be directly related because it deals with inhibiting an enzyme to produce these results rather than allowing more enzyme availability, but it, nonetheless, shows that the original absorption rate was never 100%.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycogen-branching_enzyme_deficiency[/url]
another example of a condition where a horse lacks a certain enzyme.
all i'm trying to prove is that enzyme concentration varies from person to person, and a buildup of substrate can occur, which caps the speed at which a chemical is processed in the body.
"ADA deficiency is due to a lack of the enzyme adenosine deaminase. This deficiency results in an accumulation of deoxyadenosine"
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine_deaminase_deficiency[/url]
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