• Uber rolling out autonomous cars in Pittsburgh
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[quote]Uber is plowing ahead with its ambitious plan to make self-driving cars a reality. The company will run an experiment in Pittsburgh, rolling out the first-ever self-driving fleet that's available to everyday customers. Uber won't specify exactly how many self-driving cars will hit the streets. But in the next few weeks, if you're in Pittsburgh and use your app, you might land in one of them. [...][/quote] [URL="http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/18/490524020/uber-to-roll-out-self-driving-cars-in-pittsburgh"]source[/URL]
Sweet free cars
Wow I didn't think this would start happening already. Still has a driver in there though. One day I will be able to live my life without the burden of awkward conversations with servicepeople.
Surprised theyre starting out in Pittsburgh because it is nearly impossible to navigate downtown with a GPS due to all of the bridges and one ways
More taxi driver salt coming soon, saltier than ever before
[QUOTE=spiritlol;50958884]Sweet free cars[/QUOTE] There's still a 'driver'.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50959064]Surprised theyre starting out in Pittsburgh because it is nearly impossible to navigate downtown with a GPS due to all of the bridges and one ways[/QUOTE] GPS is only used for very rough positioning. The other sensors handle most of the workload.
The wheels of automation roll ever forward, and I hate to see the day when it replaces the jobs of 300,000+ people.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50959064]Surprised theyre starting out in Pittsburgh because it is nearly impossible to navigate downtown with a GPS due to all of the bridges and one ways[/QUOTE] It makes some sense to me. Put them in a bad environment and see how they work out. If they can make them work here, they should have a easier time in other places. Heck if it could move from the right lane to the left on the Fort Pitt Bridge at rush hour by itself, I think it's good to go. Also, I've seen 2 of them around the Pittsburgh airport area already. My dad actually passed one on 376.
Just give the fuckers voices and we're [I]this[/I] close to Knight Rider.
[QUOTE=nikomo;50959176]GPS is only used for very rough positioning. The other sensors handle most of the workload.[/QUOTE] I think he's referring to the actual navigation bit, not the driving bit. Specifically, finding an actual route to a destination.
[QUOTE=geel9;50961030]I think he's referring to the actual navigation bit, not the driving bit. Specifically, finding an actual route to a destination.[/QUOTE] Every GPS I've ever used has properly catalogued where one-way roads etc are.
[QUOTE=phygon;50961038]Every GPS I've ever used has properly catalogued where one-way roads etc are.[/QUOTE] Sure, and that's a reasonable response, which the person I quoted did not give.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50959724]The wheels of automation roll ever forward, and I hate to see the day when it replaces the jobs of 300,000+ people.[/QUOTE] So you'd rather stagnate research and development because people lose their jobs? Sorry but it's bound to happen. Get better skills if you don't want to be replaced.
[QUOTE=X12321;50961065]So you'd rather stagnate research and development because people lose their jobs? Sorry but it's bound to happen. Get better skills if you don't want to be replaced.[/QUOTE] He didn't say that. I'm all for automation taking over, but I'm still going to hate it if I see the day where it fully replaces the transport industry. This isn't a black and white situation. Nothing is. Telling people to "get better skills if you don't want to be replaced" won't help the hundreds of thousands of people who [I]will[/I] get replaced.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50959724]The wheels of automation roll ever forward, and I hate to see the day when it replaces the jobs of 300,000+ people.[/QUOTE] I'm extremely excited for it. Fuck cabbies, I've literally never EVER met a good one. This will give rise to a whole new industry with way more job opportunities. [editline]28th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;50961073]He didn't say that. I'm all for automation taking over, but I'm still going to hate it if I see the day where it fully replaces the transport industry. This isn't a black and white situation. Nothing is. Telling people to "get better skills if you don't want to be replaced" won't help the hundreds of thousands of people who [I]will[/I] get replaced.[/QUOTE] This is how it's always worked. They have time to develop other skills now while it's still imminent.
[QUOTE=phygon;50961092] This is how it's always worked. They have time to develop other skills now while it's still imminent.[/QUOTE] Do you know how many jobs, theoretically, fully working, automated vehicles would replace? You ready? Over 3 million people. In America alone. Automated stuff is great. Automating stuff without accounting for the humans they displace is not great. We can't really afford to shove three million people through a higher education system. If CGP Grey's [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU]Humans Need Not Apply[/url] video is to believed, that's over 70 million jobs worldwide that could be replaced by fully automated, independent vehicles. "This is how it's always worked" sure, but I don't think we've ever been on the fringe of a technology that can replace this many people.
The transportation industry is on deaths door because it essentially boils down to following mundane orders (roads and traffic signals) for hours on end which is a job perfectly suited for robots that don't need to stop to eat, sleep, or pee. The thing is, if there's a cheaper alternative to paying some trucker a wage to haul your stuff that is also more reliable, faster and safer, then it's a good business move to take it. Once one company does it, the competition will have to follow suit or be out done in the market. The only negative is the morality of millions losing their jobs over a period of time. But industrial efficiency doesn't run on morality and unless there's some legislation saying you gotta pay a human to sit in the cab anyway, the automation of transportation is inevitable and within our life time. Probably in two decades or less. Probably less.
[QUOTE=X12321;50961065]So you'd rather stagnate research and development because people lose their jobs? Sorry but it's bound to happen. Get better skills if you don't want to be replaced.[/QUOTE] automation will eventually, but sooner than most think, take over all jobs, no matter how skilled.
Damn cars taking our jobs, etc. Think about how many lives having autonomous cars will save Plus I'm pretty sure even if the trucks and taxis become autonomous, they won't be unmanned. You're gonna always need a human in the cabin to make sure the car's actually going where it should, to perform the occasional repair like changing a tire or just to make sure the cargo is safe. Stealing from an autonomous truck driving cross country would be incredibly easy, just get in front of it and make it stop, just having a human inside would make the thieves think twice about doing it.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;50961114]Do you know how many jobs, theoretically, fully working, automated vehicles would replace? You ready? Over 3 million people. In America alone. [/QUOTE] Do you know how many lives, theoretically, fully working, automated vehicles would save in just a SINGLE year? 30,800. Also, the number of jobs lost argument is effectively irrelevant because regardless of how many jobs it's going to cause to be lost, if it becomes cheaper than hiring people it's going to be immediately employed by everyone. The best thing that governments could do would be to beef up on legislation for base income in preparation for total automation. Also, I have no doubt that over time more jobs [I]could[/I] be created as a result of this. Without shipping costs, shipping companies could fucktouple in size hiring WAY more people for the other steps of the delivery process, and offices would also have to expand quite a lot. This is a good thing. [editline]28th August 2016[/editline] If you're gonna use the good ol statistic of the value of life, that means that you're injecting[B][I] 280 billion [/I][/B]dollars per year into the economy because of how much longer people would live on average without becoming road pancakes
[QUOTE=phygon;50961092]I'm extremely excited for it. Fuck cabbies, I've literally never EVER met a good one. This will give rise to a whole new industry with way more job opportunities. [editline]28th August 2016[/editline] This is how it's always worked. They have time to develop other skills now while it's still imminent.[/QUOTE] I fully support automation and think it will replace millions of peoples jobs in the transportation industry in the coming decades but this is the dumbest thing in this thread. You can't broadly judge an industry that consists of millions of people and tell them to get fucked. It will undoubtedly wreck some peoples lives and being unsympathetic to that because you "never EVER met a good one" is dumb. Automation is the way forward but most of those people probably simply don't have the capability to take the time to retrain for something else before it's an issue.
[QUOTE=phygon;50961777]Do you know how many lives, theoretically, fully working, automated vehicles would save in just a SINGLE year? 30,800. Also, the number of jobs lost argument is effectively irrelevant because regardless of how many jobs it's going to cause to be lost, if it becomes cheaper than hiring people it's going to be immediately employed by everyone. The best thing that governments could do would be to beef up on legislation for base income in preparation for total automation. Also, I have no doubt that over time more jobs [I]could[/I] be created as a result of this. Without shipping costs, shipping companies could fucktouple in size hiring WAY more people for the other steps of the delivery process, and offices would also have to expand quite a lot. This is a good thing. [editline]28th August 2016[/editline] If you're gonna use the good ol statistic of the value of life, that means that you're injecting[B][I] 280 billion [/I][/B]dollars per year into the economy because of how much longer people would live on average without becoming road pancakes[/QUOTE] i'm pro-automation, but you're missing out on the big picture of where increased automation would logically go. warehouses could be automated, allowing for a 24/7 delivery schedule. judging by microsoft's work, sales and support could be replaced with chat bots. with the advances in machine intelligence, much clerical work could potentially be automated as well. you could get to the point where the most you need for staff are some on-call repair technicians, some computer engineers, and a team of managers. hell, those could potentially be replaced as well. people compare it to the industrial revolution but i don't see it playing out the same way. the industrial revolution made work faster and more efficient but it still needed people driving it. this time, the technology is driving itself. it is only a matter of time before most advances and designs are made by machines and not by man, for better or for worse. we will reach a point where the vast majority of jobs are automated. human population will probably be a few billion more by then, too, with not even sweatshop labor to keep them employed. automation very likely will send us into a dark time, but i have hope we could come out the other side better than before.
[QUOTE=Morgen;50961857]I fully support automation and think it will replace millions of peoples jobs in the transportation industry in the coming decades but this is the dumbest thing in this thread. You can't broadly judge an industry that consists of millions of people and tell them to get fucked. It will undoubtedly wreck some peoples lives and being unsympathetic to that because you "never EVER met a good one" is dumb. Automation is the way forward but most of those people probably simply don't have the capability to take the time to retrain for something else before it's an issue.[/QUOTE] Cab services have had this a long time coming, they've had since the advent of ridesharing to start training for new jobs since theirs were able to be taken over by people with 0 training and nothing more than a car and a phone. At this point, cabs cost more and are generally worse experiences than ridesharing. Vehicle automation is just another inevitable easily predictable nail in the coffin. It being widespread is still years off, and I'm not sure what more you could ask for when it comes for time to train for a new job (although again, driving a cab takes essentially no training ever since GPS units began existing; uber is an example, all you have to do to work there is take a one-day orientation) [QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50961870]i'm pro-automation, but you're missing out on the big picture of where increased automation would logically go. warehouses could be automated, allowing for a 24/7 delivery schedule. judging by microsoft's work, sales and support could be replaced with chat bots. with the advances in machine intelligence, much clerical work could potentially be automated as well. you could get to the point where the most you need for staff are some on-call repair technicians, some computer engineers, and a team of managers. hell, those could potentially be replaced as well. people compare it to the industrial revolution but i don't see it playing out the same way. the industrial revolution made work faster and more efficient but it still needed people driving it. this time, the technology is driving itself. it is only a matter of time before most advances and designs are made by machines and not by man, for better or for worse. we will reach a point where the vast majority of jobs are automated. human population will probably be a few billion more by then, too, with not even sweatshop labor to keep them employed. automation very likely will send us into a dark time, but i have hope we could come out the other side better than before.[/QUOTE] When we're at the point that every step of delivery is automated, most other jobs will be as well and we'll be at base income at that point (or like 80% of the population will be homeless). I actually did account for that in that post.
[QUOTE=Thunderbolt;50961526]Damn cars taking our jobs, etc. Think about how many lives having autonomous cars will save Plus I'm pretty sure even if the trucks and taxis become autonomous, they won't be unmanned. You're gonna always need a human in the cabin to make sure the car's actually going where it should, to perform the occasional repair like changing a tire or just to make sure the cargo is safe. Stealing from an autonomous truck driving cross country would be incredibly easy, just get in front of it and make it stop, just having a human inside would make the thieves think twice about doing it.[/QUOTE] No need for humans in trucks, just install turrets and other defensive measures on it.
[QUOTE=phygon;50961777]Do you know how many lives, theoretically, fully working, automated vehicles would save in just a SINGLE year? 30,800. [/QUOTE] You've misunderstood me massively. As I stated - I'm all [I]for[/I] automation. For this [I]exact[/I] reason. All I'm saying is that we need to make sure that the number of jobs being lost actually [I]is[/I] irrelevant. It could go either way, depending on how slowly this technology becomes integrated, and how seriously governments take it. My ideal, optimistic future is that no one drives, at all. The roads are all automated and road fatalities are zero.
[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;50962887]You've misunderstood me massively. As I stated - I'm all [I]for[/I] automation. For this [I]exact[/I] reason. All I'm saying is that we need to make sure that the number of jobs being lost actually [I]is[/I] irrelevant. It could go either way, depending on how slowly this technology becomes integrated, and how seriously governments take it. My ideal, optimistic future is that no one drives, at all. The roads are all automated and road fatalities are zero.[/QUOTE] I'm against mainly because more efficiency means more of said thing being produced meaning more resources required.
As long as we can solar flare proof this shit I'm all for it. The thought of having everything run by machines is interesting and probably necessary, but it still scares the shit out of me.
I kinda see an argument for universal basic income in preparing for industrial automation. The most common jobs in most US states are under trucking/transport. It's not like there are other jobs just waiting for them after their industry doesn't need them. Automating transportation would save billions in state budgets. Short of culling the population or accepting mass homelessness, we would need some kind of social safety net turned safety floor
[QUOTE=Megadave;50962939]As long as we can solar flare proof this shit I'm all for it. The thought of having everything run by machines is interesting and probably necessary, but it still scares the shit out of me.[/QUOTE] we probably can't. our current electrical grid is woefully unprotected and i don't see that changing anytime soon. most of this automated driving will rely heavily on gps satellites, of which we have about 24 in orbit and are quite vulnerable. a solar flare taking out even six of them would cause mass disruption on the ground nowadays, let alone when automation begins taking hold. [editline]28th August 2016[/editline] it would probably take a minor solar flare causing temporary disruption on the ground to light a fire underneath legislators to enact laws that require utility companies to rebuild infrastructure to be flare resistant as well as the military to R&D solar flare resistant GPS satellites (they need an update anyways) to launch into space.
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