[quote][url=http://www.ifpi.org/content/library/DMR2010.pdf]In its 2010 annual report[/url] (PDF), recorded music's global trade body said that the industry would "struggle to survive unless we address the fundamental problem of piracy." Just how "fundamental" a problem is that piracy? Not very, as new research suggests that only 9 percent of US Internet users even use peer-to-peer networks at all, down substantially from 2007.
Market research firm NPD Group, which tracks music acquisition, said today that P2P use has dropped from 16 percent of all US Internet users to 9 percent over the last three years. The latest data comes from the fourth quarter of 2010, when a federal judge shut down LimeWire; that may have depressed the numbers a bit, though NPD notes that other P2P programs saw more usage as a result.
As for the average number of downloads per person, that also fell from 35 per quarter in 2007 to 18 per quarter by the end of 2010. Those averages obscure people who swap thousands of files, of course, but they also suggest that many P2P users only pick up a few tracks.
The data fits roughly with similar data collected by Warner Music and shown to the FCC in early 2010. Warner suggested that [url=http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/01/how-many-internet-pirates-are-there-anyway.ars]13 percent of consumers were avowed pirates[/url], but noted that even the pirates spent (some) money on recorded music.
The NPD numbers are not a complete view of the piracy problem. The company surveys only P2P use and so would not include one-click download sites and illegal online streaming services that have become more important for the movie business, in particular.
Still, the NPD data suggests that, in the US at least, piracy isn't the "fundamental" problem it's perceived to be. (Even Warner admits that pirates "tend to drive high discovery for others" and to spend some of their own money on music.) In developing economies, where piracy rates can reach north of 90 percent for music, movies, and software, it's a much more fundamental issue for content companies.
How should they address it? A major three-year academic research project has just concluded that piracy in developing economies is a "[url=http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/report-piracy-a-global-pricing-problem-with-only-one-solution.ars]global pricing problem[/url]" that enforcement alone cannot fix.[/quote]
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[url]http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/only-9-and-falling-of-us-internet-users-are-p2p-pirates.ars[/url]
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[quote]The company surveys only P2P use and so would not include one-click download sites[/quote]
Yeah, it kind of looked too good to be true to me.
9% is a lot considering how many people use the internet...
Still its better than 16%
The big shot music corporations are oppressing the creative spirit and free will of the people by making us pay for music. We should get all of our music for free. Copyrights and trademarks are illegal and are capitalist shams made to get more money than other people. What gives them the right to tell us we need to pay for music? It's art, and we should get all art for free!
[quote]Not very, as new research suggests that only 9 percent of US Internet users even use peer-to-peer networks at all, down substantially from 2007.[/quote]
2 words: HTML downloads.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28805711]The big shot music corporations are oppressing the creative spirit and free will of the people by making us pay for music. We should get all of our music for free. Copyrights and trademarks are illegal and are capitalist shams made to get more money than other people. What gives them the right to tell us we need to pay for music? It's art, and we should get all art for free![/QUOTE]
Not trying to claim that.
The numbers the major music/gaming companies are presenting are what i'm trying to present here. Saying that the industry is going to collapse any second because of pirating when only 9% of the citizens in the United States are pirates is distorting the truth.
[editline]25th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;28805744]2 words: HTML downloads.[/QUOTE]
Oh, didn't notice this one.
Disregard what I have said previously.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;28805760]Not trying to claim that.
The numbers the major music/gaming companies are presenting are what i'm trying to present here. Saying that the industry is going to collapse any second because of pirating when only 9% of the citizens in the United States are pirates is distorting the truth.[/QUOTE]
Strawman argument
[QUOTE=Explosions;28805805]Strawman argument[/QUOTE]
Again, disregard what I have said...
Not looking at HTML downloads is pure bullshit
And how many of that 9% are getting caught...
Good that means they can ignore the US and concentrate on other countries lol.
And 9% of US internet users is... how many people?
[QUOTE=Explosions;28805711]The big shot music corporations are oppressing the creative spirit and free will of the people by making us pay for music. We should get all of our music for free. Copyrights and trademarks are illegal and are capitalist shams made to get more money than other people. What gives them the right to tell us we need to pay for music? It's art, and we should get all art for free![/QUOTE]Change that avatar, I can't stand Palpatine's voice in your posts anymore.
More than I thought it would be.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;28805931]Change that avatar, I can't stand Palpatine's voice in your posts anymore.[/QUOTE]
You got it.
[QUOTE=Joazzz;28805931]And 9% of US internet users is... how many people?[/QUOTE]
Over 239 million people in the United States have access to the Internet and use it.
[url]http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats14.htm#north[/url]
9% is about 21.5 million, which would be the population of the United States' 7 largest cities- New York City, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, Phoenix, and San Antonio, plus a little under half of the 8th, San Diego, combined.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28805711]The big shot music corporations are oppressing the creative spirit and free will of the people by making us pay for music. We should get all of our music for free. Copyrights and trademarks are illegal and are capitalist shams made to get more money than other people. What gives them the right to tell us we need to pay for music? It's art, and we should get all art for free![/QUOTE]
I can't tell if you're a troll or completely serious...
[QUOTE=Explosions;28805711]The big shot music corporations are oppressing the creative spirit and free will of the people by making us pay for music. We should get all of our music for free. Copyrights and trademarks are illegal and are capitalist shams made to get more money than other people. What gives them the right to tell us we need to pay for music? It's art, and we should get all art for free![/QUOTE]
Yeah and you might as well ask why we have to pay to live on our "home planet"
I want to know what percent of pc gamers pirate.
[QUOTE=Explosions;28805711]The big shot music corporations are oppressing the creative spirit and free will of the people by making us pay for music. We should get all of our music for free. Copyrights and trademarks are illegal and are capitalist shams made to get more money than other people. What gives them the right to tell us we need to pay for music? It's art, and we should get all art for free![/QUOTE]
actually music should be free
that doesnt mean artists shouldnt make money off it
i am actually trying to design a method that would allow for music to be free to consumers but profitable to artists
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28807509]actually music should be free
that doesnt mean artists shouldnt make money off it
i am actually trying to design a method that would allow for music to be free to consumers but profitable to artists[/QUOTE]
It's called listening to an album on Grooveshark and then seeing the band live
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28807509]actually music should be free
that doesnt mean artists shouldnt make money off it
i am actually trying to design a method that would allow for music to be free to consumers but profitable to artists[/QUOTE]
You mean by using advertisement like youtube is doing?
[QUOTE=OutOfExile2;28807542]It's called listening to an album on Grooveshark and then seeing the band live[/QUOTE]
i mean so the artist can actually make money off their recordings
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28807550]You mean by using advertisement like youtube is doing?[/QUOTE]
sort of, but also giving people actual copies of the music, not just streaming it
lods of emone!
because the other 91% are computer retarded
[QUOTE=Glorbo;28805871]
Not looking at HTML downloads is pure bullshit[/QUOTE]
You mean HTTP and I guarantee the average limewire kiddo doesn't even know that those sites exist
the other 91% just use thepiratebay and demonoid for our linux distros...
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28807651]i mean so the artist can actually make money off their recordings[/QUOTE]
Youtube streaming has worked out fairly well, i mean, why not just have a music website with ads being played between (some) music. You can still select a track list, or maybe an entire album.
Hear like 2 ads for every 10 songs. I don't have a problem with that. (Plus with youtube if the song is already loaded and cached the ad doesn't play again because there is no bandwidth costs, infinite repeat :v:)
[QUOTE=yawmwen;28807651][b]i mean so the artist can actually make money off their recordings[/b]
sort of, but also giving people actual copies of the music, not just streaming it[/QUOTE]
I wish people would get over this strawman. Artists don't make money from selling albums at any noticeable rate, whether signed to indie or mainstream labels, they don't make money from that. They probably do better with their music free and evenly distributed by the internet generating them fans world wide to give them tour spots which wouldn't have happened otherwise because record labels don't really push records that well or that far. Bands and artists go touring and sell merch to make money, not sell CD's, that's just not how it works.
[QUOTE=s0beit;28815008]Youtube streaming has worked out fairly well, i mean, why not just have a music website with ads being played between (some) music. You can still select a track list, or maybe an entire album.
Hear like 2 ads for every 10 songs. I don't have a problem with that. (Plus with youtube if the song is already loaded and cached the ad doesn't play again because there is no bandwidth costs, infinite repeat :v:)[/QUOTE]
You just described Spotify.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;28805744]2 words: HTML downloads.[/QUOTE]
You meant HTTP
I am one of those 9%. :v:
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Lord of Awesome, you might want to snip that.
Also, 9% isn't bad. I don't see why people can bitch and whine about piracy. It honestly doesn't hurt anyone.
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