Germany Bans ‘True Religion’ Muslim Group and Raids Mosques - Polidicks

[t]https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/11/16/world/16Germany-web/16Germany-web-master768.jpg[/t] [t]http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161115092225-02-germany-police-raids-1115-restricted-super-tease.jpg[/t] [t]http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/member-of-the-group-the-true-religion-distributes-free-copies-of-the-picture-id142883538[/t] [quote]BERLIN — A German organization that calls itself the True Religion and that is known for distributing German-language copies of the Quran was outlawed on Tuesday, after the authorities accused it of recruiting jihadists to fight in Iraq and Syria. Thomas de Maizière, the German interior minister, said the government had banned the True Religion organization, which is also known as Read (as in the instruction to read the Quran), because it acted as a “collecting pool” for would-be Islamist fighters. Starting on Tuesday morning, officers [b]raided 190 premises[/b] in more than half of Germany’s 16 states. Materials were secured, but there were no detentions, Mr. de Maizière said. “The organization brings Islamic jihadists together under the pretext of the harmless distribution of the Quran,” Mr. de Maizière told reporters in Berlin, stressing that the authorities were acting against the group because of its work to foster violence, not because of its faith. “A systematic curtailment of our rule of law has nothing to do with the alleged freedom of religion,” he said. The move comes after months of surveillance of the organization, whose bushy-bearded members have become a common sight in pedestrian shopping areas in major German cities. Mr. de Maizière said that 140 of the group’s supporters are known to have traveled to Syria or Iraq to fight on behalf of the Islamic State.[/quote] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/world/europe/germany-bans-true-religion-islamist-group-and-raids-mosques.html[/url] Video in link - [url]http://www.wsj.com/articles/germany-bans-group-accused-of-recruiting-jihadists-1479206555[/url] Don't worry, your favorite jean brand was not banned.

Nice to see them do something besides bend over.

There you go. Remove those Muslims who are inherently preaching hatred and get them out, rather than outright stopping refugees completely.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51376915]A lot of things are done all the time. Terror attacks in Germany since 2015 have a total death tol of 3, all perpetrators. A lot more is crushed before they come to fruition. But success isnt a story that sells. This piece of news sells because of the controversy of targeting a religious body.[/QUOTE] That's too bad, I'd rather read about the kommandos that go in and raid.

[t]http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/member-of-the-group-the-true-religion-distributes-free-copies-of-the-picture-id142883538[/t] Now that is a smile that disarms me. And then rearms me later for Syria.

Good. If only they can do this in Sweden too.

Those damn salamis

Germany's much less willing to put up with religions promoting very fringe shit. Scientology for example faced a huge amount of opposition from the government and press and never really took a strong foothold there. The US government itself said that they were being rude to the innocent cult

[QUOTE=SirJon;51377096]Those damn salamis[/QUOTE] They're trying to get people to join the Italian State

[QUOTE=AkujiTheSniper;51377366]They're trying to get people to join the Italian State[/QUOTE] The Charcuterie Caliphate.

[QUOTE=Omilinon;51376903]There you go. Remove those Muslims who are inherently preaching hatred and get them out, rather than outright stopping refugees completely.[/QUOTE] "Refugees" (most are migrants from nations not even involved in conflict) arguably harm the parent countries more than the host countries. Brain drain and skilled labor continuously flees nations that need it most and join already advanced societies, leaving the parent countries in a weakened state. It just perpetuates the reasons why people leave those countries in the first place.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51377439]"Refugees" (most are migrants from nations not even involved in conflict) arguably harm the parent countries more than the host countries. Brain drain and skilled labor continuously flees nations that need it most and join already advanced societies, leaving the parent countries in a weakened state. It just perpetuates the reasons why people leave those countries in the first place.[/QUOTE] A ridiculous notion. A majority of countries that refugees come from, such as Syria and Afghanistan, where regular citizens are getting killed and people's lives are in danger, and you expect all of them just to tough it out? This isn't Trump's America, these are places where the situation where a lot of the migrants live in do not have the social/economic mobility that we have in the Western world. Albania, where a decent amount of migrants come from, and where I was born in, has a whole slew of problems inside its economy and political sphere that people outside aren't even aware of. It has the lowest cost per hour of work out of any country in Europe for one instance, and the political parties don't give two shits about it. And yet, it dealt with the brunt of the wave of refugees firsthand, alongside Macedonia and Greece. What a naive and downright disrespectful comment, as to imply that those who want to find better opportunity in life shouldn't do what they want to.

[QUOTE=Omilinon;51377475]A ridiculous notion. A majority of countries that refugees come from, such as Syria and Afghanistan, where regular citizens are getting killed and people's lives are in danger, and you expect all of them just to tough it out? This isn't Trump's America, these are places where the situation where a lot of the migrants live in do not have the social/economic mobility that we have in the Western world. Albania, where a decent amount of migrants come from, and where I was born in, has a whole slew of problems inside its economy and political sphere that people outside aren't even aware of. It has the lowest cost per hour of work out of any country in Europe for one instance, and the political parties don't give two shits about it. And yet, it dealt with the brunt of the wave of refugees firsthand, alongside Macedonia and Greece. What a naive and downright disrespectful comment, as to imply that those who want to find better opportunity in life shouldn't do what they want to.[/QUOTE] Yeah, the parent countries have lots of problems, which is exactly what I said in my post. I think it actually harms those countries if people continuously leave and go elsewhere. How is that disrespectful? [editline]15th November 2016[/editline] For example, if the majority of people who fled Syria do not return after the war ends (if it ever ends) then that nation is going to be seriously fucked. It will never recover if it loses millions of its citizens to Europe and elsewhere.

[QUOTE=King Tiger;51377649]Yeah, the parent countries have lots of problems, which is exactly what I said in my post. I think it actually harms those countries if people continuously leave and go elsewhere. How is that disrespectful? [editline]15th November 2016[/editline] For example, if the majority of people who fled Syria do not return after the war ends (if it ever ends) then that nation is going to be seriously fucked. It will never recover if it loses millions of its citizens to Europe and elsewhere.[/QUOTE] The nation already is seriously fucked. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying. It actively harms [I]the individuals[/I] if they don't leave. Just imagine if, let's say, 2% of the United States died from open warfare, terrorist attacks, and bombings. That would be well over six million people, killed, in open warfare. Condense it to a smaller country the size of Syria and focus the violence in certain urban centers, and you can see why people are spending their life savings to flee the country. 2% is a low estimate once you factor in population density. If they settle in Albania or Germany or wherever and the violence in the Middle East dies down in 20 years after they have a family, so what? Do you value the well-being of the abstract state over the real, quantifiable well-being of hundreds of thousands of families?

[QUOTE=Pops;51376881]Nice to see them do something besides bend over.[/QUOTE] I love seeing the myth that "Germany is bending over to immigrants/refugees/whatever" in the wild. It's fun to observe reactionary asshats from a safe distance.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51378009]I love seeing the myth that "Germany is bending over to immigrants/refugees/whatever" in the wild. It's fun to observe reactionary asshats from a safe distance.[/QUOTE] Even Angela Merkel has admitted she made a mistake with the policies. [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/angela-merkel-admits-mistakes-asylum-seekers-election[/url] Sorry, the metaphor isn't for you, but Germany is a country that gives alot (a good thing mostly), and some see the negative parts as bending over. Calling these people "reactionary asshats" isn't going to help your point, especially when the people who implemented the plans for this scenario thought they went too far.

It's about fucking time, Germany.

Good for Germany and EU.

[QUOTE=Tudd;51378109] Calling these people "reactionary asshats" isn't going to help your point, especially when the people who implemented the plans for this scenario thought they went too far.[/QUOTE] I understand that, but of all people you can call reactionary on this forum, it's Pops because he's consistently said stupid shit like this all the time.

[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51377379]The Charcuterie Caliphate.[/QUOTE] currently being bombed in Syria by the Borscht Patrol

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;51380046]I understand that, but of all people you can call reactionary on this forum, it's Pops because he's consistently said stupid shit like this all the time.[/QUOTE] Doesn't help that he hasn't actually been willing to defend his points/attack others in these threads from what I've seen. If you don't want people to be able to brand you as a reactionary asshat, why not prove your point. You can say that the media, etc. are too mean to Trump supporters. But not Facepunch

[QUOTE=Tudd;51378109]Even Angela Merkel has admitted she made a mistake with the policies. [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/19/angela-merkel-admits-mistakes-asylum-seekers-election[/url] Sorry, the metaphor isn't for you, but Germany is a country that gives alot (a good thing mostly), and some see the negative parts as bending over. Calling these people "reactionary asshats" isn't going to help your point, especially when the people who implemented the plans for this scenario thought they went too far.[/QUOTE] 'it turned out to be hugely unpopular so i was wrong i guess' if it was hugely popular but caused 12 9/11s a day she wouldn’t have apologized...