Don't blame the long haired dude, he's high. He doesn't know what he's saying.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25802739]Don't blame the long haired dude, he's high. He doesn't know what he's saying.[/QUOTE]
I wish I were high, that way it would make this video funny.
[QUOTE=3com111;25802770]I wish I were high, that way it would make this video funny.[/QUOTE]
It isn't really a matter of it being funny or not, just highlighting that every side has their fair share of people who don't even know why they're there, and that by cherry picking these people you can make the rest look like total fools.
[QUOTE=Riutet;25802802]It isn't really a matter of it being funny or not, just highlighting that every side has their fair share of people who don't even know why they're there, and that by cherry picking these people you can make the rest look like total fools.[/QUOTE]
Or, well, in a crowd of 200,000 people you can find three who disagree with the sentiment that Obama is Kenyan.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25802893]Or, well, in a crowd of 200,000 people you can find three who disagree with the sentiment that Obama is Kenyan.[/QUOTE]
Yes, although often this fact is overlooked or just conveniently not mentioned, people understanding the question and giving a good response not making it into the video etc, "Hey look at this video right here I asked everyone here this question and they ALL got it wrong what a bunch of twerps. xD"
[QUOTE=Riutet;25802950]Yes, although often this fact is overlooked or just conveniently not mentioned, people understanding the question and giving a good response not making it into the video etc, "Hey look at this video right here I asked everyone here this question and they ALL got it wrong what a bunch of twerps. xD"[/QUOTE]
Well no, I mean not even the people in the video [I]really[/I] did anything wrong. All they were really guilty of was misunderstanding a sign, at worst. I honestly don't understand what this video is trying to expose.
The New Left Media videos were one guy asking people basic questions about policy. This is one guy trying to get footage of people confusing Keynesian and Kenyan. Which is probably helped by the fact that he pronounces Keynesian wrong.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25802893]Or, well, in a crowd of 200,000 people you can find three who disagree with the sentiment that Obama is Kenyan.[/QUOTE]
If he had said it Keyn-esian, maybe some of them would understand it.
It's not really fair to do something like that.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;25803454]If he had said it Key-nesian, maybe some of them would understand it.
It's not really fair to do something like that.[/QUOTE]
Both that pronunciation and the one the one he used are wrong.
It's Keen-zee-un.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25803479]Both that pronunciation and the one the one he used are wrong.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I fixed the typo :|
So they're trying to make people look stupid by using an economics term that sounds a lot like something they have been irrationally complaining about for a while?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25803349]Well no, I mean not even the people in the video [I]really[/I] did anything wrong. All they were really guilty of was misunderstanding a sign, at worst. I honestly don't understand what this video is trying to expose.
The New Left Media videos were one guy asking people basic questions about policy. This is one guy trying to get footage of people confusing Keynesian and Kenyan. Which is probably helped by the fact that he pronounces Keynesian wrong.[/QUOTE]
How do you mistake Keynesian with Kenyan?
Even if you go out of your way to intentionally make it sound like Kenyan, it'll still noticeably sound like Keynesian, simply because of the number of syllables.
[QUOTE=Riutet;25803702]How do you mistake Keynesian with Kenyan?
Even if you go out of your way to intentionally make it sound like Kenyan, it'll still noticeably sound like Keynesian, simply because of the number of syllables.[/QUOTE]
I'd think that in a place where you're surrounded by thousands of people talking amongst themselves, "Kenzeeun" can sound a lot like Kenyan. Especially when the person you're talking to is actively trying to confuse you.
Because it's possible they mispelled it, that the proper term for a citizen of Kenya is not Kenyan (trivial matter but possible), the fact that the issue has been with him being a Kenyan and this is the first mention of him being a Keynesian, that Keynesian isn't exactly a common term for people who aren't interested in economics and that the man asking the questions never corrected them. The New Left Media videos ask basic questions while this one sets a trap and then laughs at people who are uninformed but not necessarily stupid. Before I watched this video, I had no idea what Keynesian meant and I doubt anyone on the right wing knows either.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25803749]I'd think that in a place where you're surrounded by thousands of people talking amongst themselves, "Kenzeeun" can sound a lot like Kenyan. Especially when the person you're talking to is actively trying to confuse you.[/QUOTE]
I suppose so, although at one point, the start, the woman clearly sees a sign with the correct spelling of the word and still makes a fool of herself.
[editline]2nd November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Devodiere;25803783]Because it's possible they mispelled it, that the proper term for a citizen of Kenya is not Kenyan (trivial matter but possible), the fact that the issue has been with him being a Kenyan and this is the first mention of him being a Keynesian, that Keynesian isn't exactly a common term for people who aren't interested in economics and that the man asking the questions never corrected them. The New Left Media videos ask basic questions while this one sets a trap and then laughs at people who are uninformed but not necessarily stupid. Before I watched this video, I had no idea what Keynesian meant and I doubt anyone on the right wing knows either.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I knew the meaning of the word long before I was ever interested in economics and even before I took an interest in politics, it seems to me like one of those things you should know if you have an interest in either, especially if it has relation to the person you are supporting.
[QUOTE=Riutet;25803796]I suppose so, although at one point, the start, the woman clearly sees a sign with the correct spelling of the word and still makes a fool of herself.[/QUOTE]
Uh, so? Congratulations, you've found one person out of 200,000 who was so stupid as to overreact to a perceived slight. Happy?
[QUOTE=Riutet;25803796]I suppose so, although at one point, the start, the woman clearly sees a sign with the correct spelling of the word and still makes a fool of herself.[/QUOTE]
She asked for clarification about what he was asking and he deflected making her assume that her suspicions were right. If he was being honest he would of clarified what he meant and stopped her from going on a rant but he was being an ass trying to make her look stupid.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;25803835]Uh, so? Congratulations, you've found one person out of 200,000 who was so stupid as to overreact to a perceived slight. Happy?[/QUOTE]
Nope, personally I think my beliefs are what would be called liberal over here, so I think that puts me in Obama's camp.
[editline]2nd November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Devodiere;25803844]She asked for clarification about what he was asking and he deflected making her assume that her suspicions were right. If he was being honest he would of clarified what he meant and stopped her from going on a rant but he was being an ass trying to make her look stupid.[/QUOTE]
Sure, he uses underhanded methods with which to avoid giving clarification, but for her to go off on a rant without having a proper understanding of his question or clarification is pretty rash of her.
[QUOTE=Riutet;25803796]I dunno, I knew the meaning of the word long before I was ever interested in economics and even before I took an interest in politics, it seems to me like one of those things you should know if you have an interest in either, especially if it has relation to the person you are supporting.[/QUOTE]
So because you know it, everyone else should too? The term rarely if ever comes up in discussions and a lot of people don't even care about economic issues in relation to this. It's not very well known and this was simply a ploy to get people to misunderstand.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;25803917]this was simply a ploy to get people to misunderstand.[/QUOTE]
I know that.
[quote]So because you know it, everyone else should too? The term rarely if ever comes up in discussions and a lot of people don't even care about economic issues in relation to this. It's not very well known and[/quote]
I believe if you're going to vote/support a political party/candidate/whomever, you should understand everything about them, not just whatever it is about them or their policies that appeals to you. If you voted for Obama, and you didn't know about his economic policies, your vote may as well have been cast by a random number generator.
[QUOTE=Riutet;25803965]I believe if you're going to vote/support a political party/candidate/whomever, you should understand everything about them, not just whatever it is about them or their policies that appeals to you. If you voted for Obama, and you didn't know about his economic policies, your vote may as well have been cast by a random number generator.[/QUOTE]
Then every election in history has been completely random because the majority of people never have a full understanding of every issue. I'm sure in an ideal world that would be true but then politicians would have to deal with the public actually knowing what they are doing, everyone noticing the similarities between parties and the fact that it's all bullshit. Your idea of the political system is not true and even if it doesn't provide perfect results, it's what exists.
Personally though, I don't give a flying fuck about economic issues. The government realistically doesn't have that much of an intentional impact on the economy past regulation. On Social issues however, I am extremely left wing so it doesn't matter what economic principles are, I will often side with the one I agree with most on social issues.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;25804034]Then every election in history has been completely random because the majority of people never have a full understanding of every issue. I'm sure in an ideal world that would be true but then politicians would have to deal with the public actually knowing what they are doing, everyone noticing the similarities between parties and the fact that it's all bullshit. Your idea of the political system is not true and even if it doesn't provide perfect results, it's what exists.
Personally though, I don't give a flying fuck about economic issues. The government realistically doesn't have that much of an intentional impact on the economy past regulation. On Social issues however, I am extremely left wing so it doesn't matter what economic principles are, I will often side with the one I agree with most on social issues.[/QUOTE]
You do not require a full understanding, just a working understanding, which honestly, is a couple of weeks of light reading or a week or so of heavy reading, I know everyone is entitled to a vote, but if you're not going to take the time to learn about the issues, and the solutions each candidate is looking to employ, then you honestly don't deserve your vote, I'm speaking not just about knowledge of economics and economic practice, but every area. Voting is not something that should just be something you idly do without giving it a proper amount of thought, voting is important, an uninformed or not as informed as it should be vote is a poisonous vote, everything each candidate is about is important, you can't ignore something like economics simply because you're only interested in social policy.
You tell me my idea of a the political system is not true and idealistic, that is not my idea of the political system, it's my ideal of how the political system should be, I know full well how it is and frankly I'm disappointed that it is that way, but you must understand that simply because the reality is shitty, doesn't mean we should abandon our ideals, yeah, a lot of people make some hugely uninformed votes all the time, doesn't mean I should just accept that, it's wrong and it isn't how it should be.
And really now, you should give a fuck about economic issues, because it affects a darn sight more than you would realistically imagine, and yes, the Government can have a huge, huge impact on the economy both as a direct result of regulation and of social policies.
[QUOTE=Riutet;25809755]You do not require a full understanding, just a working understanding, which honestly, is a couple of weeks of light reading or a week or so of heavy reading, I know everyone is entitled to a vote, but if you're not going to take the time to learn about the issues, and the solutions each candidate is looking to employ, then you honestly don't deserve your vote, I'm speaking not just about knowledge of economics and economic practice, but every area. Voting is not something that should just be something you idly do without giving it a proper amount of thought, voting is important, an uninformed or not as informed as it should be vote is a poisonous vote, everything each candidate is about is important, you can't ignore something like economics simply because you're only interested in social policy.
You tell me my idea of a the political system is not true and idealistic, that is not my idea of the political system, it's my ideal of how the political system should be, I know full well how it is and frankly I'm disappointed that it is that way, but you must understand that simply because the reality is shitty, doesn't mean we should abandon our ideals, yeah, a lot of people make some hugely uninformed votes all the time, doesn't mean I should just accept that, it's wrong and it isn't how it should be.
And really now, you should give a fuck about economic issues, because it affects a darn sight more than you would realistically imagine, and yes, the Government can have a huge, huge impact on the economy both as a direct result of regulation and of social policies.[/QUOTE]
I bet those people knew plenty about Obama and his economic policies, but they probably were never in a college economics class, so they probably don't know the definition of the word Keynesian.
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