• Creationists on the internet
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fhvmg9oiWU[/media]
That took an unexpected turn :v:
That was disturbing and mostly gross. I never hear anybody do this to be honest, I've only heard it on the internet and I'm sure they were all trolls. If it wasn't so obscene I'd share this on Facebook. It's got a good message to Christians to stop speaking out of their butt and actually research something before they decide to talk about it.
yeah militant atheism sure is fantastic guys!!!
[QUOTE=Aurora93;35563204]yeah militant atheism sure is fantastic guys!!![/QUOTE] Yea, it is. We don't blow up people, we don't fly planes into buildings, we don't commit genocide in the name of God. Pretty good isn't it, instead we fight in the name of justice and equality. You're a tool
[QUOTE=Aurora93;35563204]yeah militant atheism sure is fantastic guys!!![/QUOTE] This isn't militant.
[QUOTE=Tippmann357;35563448]This isn't militant.[/QUOTE] militant atheism = antireligious atheism
[QUOTE=download;35563396]Yea, it is. We don't blow up people, we don't fly planes into buildings, we don't commit genocide in the name of God. Pretty good isn't it, instead we fight in the name of justice and equality. You're a tool[/QUOTE] since when did I do anything of those things.
[QUOTE=download;35563396]Yea, it is. We don't blow up people, we don't fly planes into buildings, we don't commit genocide in the name of God. Pretty good isn't it, instead we fight in the name of justice and equality. You're a tool[/QUOTE] religion isn't some be-all and end-all cause of worldwide suffering - rather, it's arrogance.
[QUOTE=Aurora93;35563500]militant atheism = antireligious atheism[/QUOTE] I consider militant to be shoving beliefs down other peoples' throats. Making fun of people isn't really as forceful or combative as the term is defined. It's just a negative connotation given to those that speak their minds rather than actually do what is described.
stop being focused on how bad religion is and just keep being nonreligious if you choose to be atheist/otherwise. you don't need to laud your false sense of superiority to "feeble-minded religious people" everywhere
[QUOTE=Aurora93;35563500]militant atheism = antireligious atheism[/QUOTE] That is implying that nonmilitant atheism is atheism where the said atheist is tolerant of religion, which makes much of religion militant religion. Although I agree that for the most part that people shouldn't try to shove their beliefs down people's throats.
[QUOTE=Aurora93;35563575]stop being focused on how bad religion is and just keep being nonreligious if you choose to be atheist/otherwise. you don't need to laud your false sense of superiority to "feeble-minded religious people" everywhere[/QUOTE] there's shit loads of elitist atheists and theists get over it
[QUOTE=Tippmann357;35563569]I consider militant to be shoving beliefs down other peoples' throats. Making fun of people isn't really as forceful or combative as the term is defined. It's just a negative connotation given to those that speak their minds rather than actually do what is described.[/QUOTE] militant atheism = antireligious atheism = new atheism
[QUOTE=Aurora93;35563550]religion isn't some be-all and end-all cause of worldwide suffering - rather, it's arrogance.[/QUOTE] Militant religion is everything I listed there, militant atheism is not
[QUOTE=J!NX;35563584]there's shit loads of elitist atheists and theists get over it[/QUOTE] did i suggest that theists were automatically good? because AFAIK i didn't
[QUOTE=Aurora93;35563589]militant atheism = antireligious atheism = new atheism[/QUOTE] "New atheism"? Expand.
new atheism is a modernized breed of atheism whereas religion is actively criticized and antagonized, as opposed to just normal atheism where it's just "lol don't have religion don't care"
[QUOTE=Aurora93;35563630]new atheism is a modernized breed of atheism whereas religion is actively criticized and antagonized, as opposed to just normal atheism where it's just "lol don't have religion don't care"[/QUOTE] And new religion is a modernized breed of religious people that active criticize and antagonize nonbelievers, as opposed to not walking around door to door and not going on missions in other countries to spread their faith?
Militant Christians blow up abortion clinics. Militant Muslims blow up buildings. Militant Hindus discriminate and antagonize Muslims. Militant atheists... make fun of people. Somebody call up Jon Stewart and let him know that his show is hate speech and terrorism. [editline]13th April 2012[/editline] No, New Religion is a Duran Duran song.
[QUOTE=download;35563396]Yea, it is. We don't blow up people, we don't fly planes into buildings, we don't commit genocide in the name of God. Pretty good isn't it, instead we fight in the name of justice and equality. You're a tool[/QUOTE] Justice and equality, by trying to stop people from having religious beliefs. Yeah, sure. I'm sorry, but why do some atheists feel the need to shit on religion so much and try and convert people because "religion kills people" or something like that. First off, it gets tiresome seeing countless times as people criticize religious people trying to convert them, only for those same people to turn around and try to convert religious people to atheism. It's just ridiculously hypocritical, especially when Facepunch pretends it's unbiased and equal. And secondly, it's necessarily religion that kills people, it's people who kill people. Many of those people who, say, launched terrorist attacks on buildings were already mentally unstable enough that they would've likely done it even if they were atheists. Many just use religion to draw more people to their causes, when really any religious text I have ever known makes the bottom line rule of "do not kill anybody, ever, unless it is in self-defense" and while that's not true for all religions, most of the ones people complain about keep that as a major rule. I think the true enemy is ignorance. People are lured into a cause of violence because they believe they are doing the right thing because the big man in the turban says the Koran told me too, when really he is just using it as a front to garner support. Normal Christians need too realize atheism and other things like homosexuality are not horrible sins and should learn to at least tolerate them (and many do) and atheists need to learn that many of these attacks are just bad eggs and unstable or ignorant people and not every religious person is a crazed sociopath trying to convert or kill you. This is just assumptions and labeling and it needs to fucking stop. It's not religion or atheism that makes the world uncivilized, it's ignorance, profiling, and labeling that is the real enemy to any good, peaceful society.
so the moral of the story is if you are religious and you go on the internet you turn into a cross dressing homosexual troll
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;35563734]Justice and equality, by trying to stop people from having religious beliefs. Yeah, sure. I'm sorry, but why do some atheists feel the need to shit on religion so much and try and convert people because "religion kills people" or something like that. First off, it gets tiresome seeing countless times as people criticize religious people trying to convert them, only for those same people to turn around and try to convert religious people to atheism. It's just ridiculously hypocritical, especially when Facepunch pretends it's unbiased and equal. And secondly, it's necessarily religion that kills people, it's people who kill people. Many of those people who, say, launched terrorist attacks on buildings were already mentally unstable enough that they would've likely done it even if they were atheists. Many just use religion to draw more people to their causes, when really any religious text I have ever known makes the bottom line rule of "do not kill anybody, ever, unless it is in self-defense" and while that's not true for all religions, most of the ones people complain about keep that as a major rule. I think the true enemy is ignorance. People are lured into a cause of violence because they believe they are doing the right thing because the big man in the turban says the Koran told me too, when really he is just using it as a front to garner support. Normal Christians need too realize atheism and other things like homosexuality are not horrible sins and should learn to at least tolerate them (and many do) and atheists need to learn that many of these attacks are just bad eggs and unstable or ignorant people and not every religious person is a crazed sociopath trying to convert or kill you. This is just assumptions and labeling and it needs to fucking stop. It's not religion or atheism that makes the world uncivilized, it's ignorance, profiling, and labeling that is the real enemy to any good, peaceful society.[/QUOTE] Because religion is used to justify people going around banning things like gay marriage, euthanasia and abortion. I wouldn't be a militant atheist if they just left everyone be, but they don't and I won't sit down and let them do that
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;35563734]Justice and equality, by trying to stop people from having religious beliefs. Yeah, sure. I'm sorry, but why do some atheists feel the need to shit on religion so much and try and convert people because "religion kills people" or something like that. First off, it gets tiresome seeing countless times as people criticize religious people trying to convert them, only for those same people to turn around and try to convert religious people to atheism. It's just ridiculously hypocritical, especially when Facepunch pretends it's unbiased and equal. And secondly, it's necessarily religion that kills people, it's people who kill people. Many of those people who, say, launched terrorist attacks on buildings were already mentally unstable enough that they would've likely done it even if they were atheists. Many just use religion to draw more people to their causes, when really any religious text I have ever known makes the bottom line rule of "do not kill anybody, ever, unless it is in self-defense" and while that's not true for all religions, most of the ones people complain about keep that as a major rule. I think the true enemy is ignorance. People are lured into a cause of violence because they believe they are doing the right thing because the big man in the turban says the Koran told me too, when really he is just using it as a front to garner support. Normal Christians need too realize atheism and other things like homosexuality are not horrible sins and should learn to at least tolerate them (and many do) and atheists need to learn that many of these attacks are just bad eggs and unstable or ignorant people and not every religious person is a crazed sociopath trying to convert or kill you. This is just assumptions and labeling and it needs to fucking stop. It's not religion or atheism that makes the world uncivilized, it's ignorance, profiling, and labeling that is the real enemy to any good, peaceful society.[/QUOTE] There's really three reasons why most Atheists care so much about getting rid of religion, the first is that because of what most religious activists and lobbyists preach gets in the way of the quest for knowledge. For instance, giving equal footing in the classrooms for religious beliefs, like "intelligent design" which have not gone through the rigorous testing and observation stages that the agreed upon theory of evolution has will most likely convince, or at least cement someone's belief in an unscientific theory simply because it's enforced by a government institution, and worse is that it takes away time from teaching other parts of the subject; or public outrage on religious grounds often impedes scientific progress or medical procedures, like in stem cell research, even with only the use of umbilical chord cells. The second is the loss of full rights for some citizens, such as the rights to marry and be in service to gays, essentially forcing them into second class citizenship, which is frankly disgusting. The third is the fact that Atheism was shit upon for so long, even within our lifetimes (and really still is in politics and the like), that atheists feel that they NEED to assert their beliefs, otherwise they will be picked upon or minimized by theists.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;35563734]Justice and equality, by trying to stop people from having religious beliefs. Yeah, sure. I'm sorry, but why do some atheists feel the need to shit on religion so much and try and convert people because "religion kills people" or something like that. First off, it gets tiresome seeing countless times as people criticize religious people trying to convert them, only for those same people to turn around and try to convert religious people to atheism. It's just ridiculously hypocritical, especially when Facepunch pretends it's unbiased and equal. And secondly, it's necessarily religion that kills people, it's people who kill people. Many of those people who, say, launched terrorist attacks on buildings were already mentally unstable enough that they would've likely done it even if they were atheists. Many just use religion to draw more people to their causes, when really any religious text I have ever known makes the bottom line rule of "do not kill anybody, ever, unless it is in self-defense" and while that's not true for all religions, most of the ones people complain about keep that as a major rule. I think the true enemy is ignorance. People are lured into a cause of violence because they believe they are doing the right thing because the big man in the turban says the Koran told me too, when really he is just using it as a front to garner support. Normal Christians need too realize atheism and other things like homosexuality are not horrible sins and should learn to at least tolerate them (and many do) and atheists need to learn that many of these attacks are just bad eggs and unstable or ignorant people and not every religious person is a crazed sociopath trying to convert or kill you. This is just assumptions and labeling and it needs to fucking stop. It's not religion or atheism that makes the world uncivilized, it's ignorance, profiling, and labeling that is the real enemy to any good, peaceful society.[/QUOTE] i dont think many want to remove anyone's right to have religious beliefs, that wouldnt solve anything and people would still be idiots about other subjects that dont involve 1500 year old holy texts. Instead its just promotion of reason and skepticism, and an attempt to elevate the level of discussion on these subjects rather than blind faith which can be incredibly destructive in some cases. Blind faith as a whole should be shunned as a society instead of outlawed or something dumb like that, which doesnt accomplish anything. For example, is everyone who understands and believes in the scientific method and evolution "trying to stop people from having creationist beliefs"? Are these people equivilent to door to door christians spreading stupid bullshit and using fear just to get more people to join? You seem to think so. Bottom line, they aren't equivalent and even if they were, your issue is with the method of presentation rather than the real ideas. In other words, a red herring you have fallen victim to.
[QUOTE=download;35563869]Because religion is used to justify people going around banning things like gay marriage, euthanasia and abortion. I wouldn't be a militant atheist if they just left everyone be, but they don't and I won't sit down and let them do that[/QUOTE] Like I said, that's the fault of those people, not religion. They are just using religion as their front to push their stupid ideals. But if you want to stand against those people, then go ahead and do it. I'm just tired of seeing atheist believe that every religious being is like that. And religion just needs to be removed from the school and political system entirely. They are personal issues that provide an unfair bias it what theoretically is an unbiased (though it practice it is far from it) system. But doomkiwi, I think atheist only need to assert their beliefs if challenged first. Most theists are at least tolerant people. Hell, my mother is a Christian but she doesn't have a problem with me being atheist. (It was still hard for her to cope with it, but she's gotten over it) In a nutshell, I think the whole world just needs to handle it with a live and let live policy. I understand not all people will do that, but that's the fault of that individual, not an entire religious group.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;35563974]Like I said, that's the fault of those people, not religion. They are just using religion as their front to push their stupid ideals. But if you want to stand against those people, then go ahead and do it. I'm just tired of seeing atheist believe that every religious being is like that. And religion just needs to be removed from the school and political system entirely. They are personal issues that provide an unfair bias it what theoretically is an unbiased (though it practice it is far from it) system. But doomkiwi, I think atheist only need to assert their beliefs if challenged first. Most theists are at least tolerant people. Hell, my mother is a Christian but she doesn't have a problem with me being atheist. (It was still hard for her to cope with it, but she's gotten over it) In a nutshell, I think the whole world just needs to handle it with a live and let live policy. I understand not all people will do that, but that's the fault of that individual, not an entire religious group.[/QUOTE] I'm talking about minimizing them in a political way, or when someone is attempting to preach to them them and they are outnumbered by to popular opinion and are have their own well defined arguments drowned out. This happens. Also, in just about every modern and popular religion homosexuality is viewed as wrong, and is therefor what is being pushed. The ignorance and blind faith that is pushed forth by religion, because of its very core doctrine of "faith" above reasoning, creates a mailable and easily mislead flock, like some masses on an opiate.
Well, this thread went to shit quick.
[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;35564032]Well, this thread went to shit quick.[/QUOTE] I dunno, nobody's started calling anyone "a stupid bunch of hillbilly fucks" ye- wait no that's in the op. ... Dude this thread was destined from post one.
[QUOTE=download;35563396]Yea, it is. [B]We don't blow up people, we don't fly planes into buildings,[/B] we don't commit genocide in the name of God. Pretty good isn't it, instead we fight in the name of justice and equality. You're a tool[/QUOTE] yes christians did 9/11
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