[quote]In a story that SemiAccurate has been following for several months, Broadwell will not come in an LGA package, so no removable CPU.
The most direct effect is that of Broadwell, the 14nm successor to next year’s Haswell CPU, will essentially shut out the enthusiast.
Motherboards will still be available, but the [B]CPUs that come with them will be soldered down[/B]. In addition to being a inventory management nightmare,
OEMs won’t buy CPUs any more, the few remaining mobo vendors and ODMs will. As a side effect, [B]it also cuts the enthusiast out of the picture[/B] for
good, but more on that later.
Normally, you would expect Intel to tell the companies that are affected, the Asuses, Gigabytes, MSIs, and maybe Asrocks if they are still around, well ahead of time.
This time Intel didn’t, and that should tell you a great deal about their intentions. At least a few key PC players found out from SemiAccurate a few months ago,
and they were rather incredulous about the news. This state of mind has probably changed to a state a bit past peeved by now, their entire business is about to be gutted.
Intel didn’t just do a bad job of messaging this one, they didn’t do any job of it. [B]Will Intel cut out the mobo makers entirely[/B] and just do everything themselves?
Grabbing more of the pie seems to be their forte of late, but cutting out everyone but the physical assembly guys seems to be a bit of a stretch in the short term.
SemiAccurate suspects that this decision has not been made, but expect Intel to gut the mobo makers influence one way or the other,
they are currently seen by Santa Clara as having too much power. This is not going to be pretty no matter how it ends up.[/quote]
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I don't usually post news, but this seems pretty bad even though it's still just a rumor.
I don't want this to happen, AMD needs to get their financing together and rise again.
It's like everything has gone to shit in the past six months.
[url=http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/26/intel-kills-off-the-desktop-pcs-go-with-it/#.ULPfY7SN-qo.facebook]Source.[/url]
[url=http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpc.watch.impress.co.jp%2Fdocs%2Fcolumn%2Fubiq%2F20121122_574440.html&act=url]Source 2 (translated from Japan)[/url]
The source is only semiaccurate, so I'm not gonna take their word for it.
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;38604742]The source is only semiaccurate, so I'm not gonna take their word for it.[/QUOTE]
But, intel could potentially do this since they pretty much own the cpu market now, right?
I'd like a Better source
[QUOTE=nVidia;38604758]But, intel could potentially do this since they pretty much own the cpu market now, right?[/QUOTE]
Not really. They may have the iron grip on the market, but AMD is far from dead.
I mean. It's not even logical. Why would they sell mobos with their cpu's, when they could make more money just selling the cpu separate?
So, am I reading this wrong or does the article say that every motherboard will come with an intel cpu superglued to it that you can't change unless you buy another motherboard? Or is it saying that you can only buy an intel CPU if you buy the motherboard along with it?
[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;38604798]I mean. It's not even logical. Why would they sell mobos with their cpu's, when they could make more money just selling the cpu separate?[/QUOTE]
Because now they can also charge for making a mobo, and you have to buy a new mobo everytime you upgrade your cpu.
[editline]26th November 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;38604803]So, am I reading this wrong or does the article say that every motherboard will come with an intel cpu superglued to it that you can't change unless you buy another motherboard? Or is it saying that you can only buy an intel CPU if you buy the motherboard along with it?[/QUOTE]
It says that CPUs will be directly soldered onto the motherboard, so you can't change it without buying an entirely new mobo.
yay tablitz revolution :DDDDDDDDDDD stupid dickstops ;P
[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;38604803]So, am I reading this wrong or does the article say that every motherboard will come with an intel cpu superglued to it that you can't change unless you buy another motherboard? Or is it saying that you can only buy an intel CPU if you buy the motherboard along with it?[/QUOTE]
They're saying that the CPUs will be soldered onto the motherboards. People are concerned this [b]MIGHT[/b] cause Intel to just say 'fuck everybody' and make their own motherboards (which they already do, unless it's rebranded or something) and not sell the individual solderable versions to manufacturers like ASUS and whatnot. I would doubt this if AMD wasn't apparently going out of business, but if there's no AMD there's also no other CPU to go into those motherboards.
TBH i buy a new motherboard every time i upgrade intel processors so this really can't THAT big of a deal.
i'll just buy an asus motherboard with the 5550k (or whatever they name it) cpu soldered on them
[QUOTE=DeanWinchester;38604803]So, am I reading this wrong or does the article say that every motherboard will come with an intel cpu superglued to it that you can't change unless you buy another motherboard? Or is it saying that you can only buy an intel CPU if you buy the motherboard along with it?[/QUOTE]
A motherboard with the cpu already added on it (non removable) that is sold for a lower price wouldn't be half bad for cheap builds.
This sounds like this is for budget mobos.
They'll never kill off PC processors that can be installed by ourselves and pc builders.
I'll take this with a truckload of salt till I see some more reputable sources.
[QUOTE=meppers;38604893]TBH i buy a new motherboard every time i upgrade intel processors so this really can't THAT big of a deal.
i'll just buy an asus motherboard with the 5550k (or whatever they name it) cpu soldered on them[/QUOTE]
I do, but in some cases this does not happen. For example, my very cash strapped friend who wanted to get into PC gaming bought a sandy Pentium to get him going until he could afford an ivy i5.
He then sold the Pentium on to make some money towards his i5.
This to me would be the same as DRM on console games that stops you selling the game second hand.
This doesn't seem sensible for Intel to do, however we don't know what the situation will be like so far in the future?
Maybe the process will have evolved so much the cheapest Intel CPU will be a powerful enough CPU to do everything an "enthusiast" wants.
However, its common knowledge Intel knows its market position, and is not afraid to profiteer when it can? For example the Sandy prices hardly, if at all dropped when Ivy came out.
And then stocks drop and they go back. Yaaaaaay
This could definitely be the lifeline AMD needs in the future
[QUOTE=Darkimmortal;38605144]This could definitely be the lifeline AMD needs in the future[/QUOTE]
dont worry intel will wait for AMD to die off before they do this
then high-end desktop users start using server mobos and cpus? since doing the same to servers is quite stupid.
really doubt this is true.
I find it hard to believe Intel would be this stupid.
This would give AMD the legroom it needs to make a comeback. Myself personally, I would take a moderately lower performance (and lower priced) CPU if it meant it was separate from the motherboard.
Japanese article also says: Broadwell does not lead to a simple version of miniaturization, the product was more focus on the tablet
Sounds like this is a successor to Atom, not the i7.
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don't care if cpu is soldered to motherboard becomes standard, Everytime i've replaced the cpu or motherboard i've aways replaced both at the sametime. Atleast this takes one step of the build out of the equasion.
[QUOTE=Amiga OS;38605489]I don't like BGA, it fails and you have to re-flow it, a socket is a far better solution.
Of course Intel want you to buy a replacement chip, so the more often it fucks up the better for them![/QUOTE]
Every intel chip i've ever installed and used and overclocked they've always lasted. Now one chip i knew i was going to blow overclocking (set voltage a little over "recommened for OC") then it blew. Quality control for me and PC Parts seems to always work out for me.
Most of these dead chip stories i hear i ask what was cooling it and they say stock cooler in a small barely midsize case with one intake fan or maybe one intake and one outtake.
Seems like this would screw people over if they had to RMA one or the other.
I've read about that a few days ago, not the same source. Just as a kind of confirmation.
My CPU is fried, better pay $700 for a new motherboard and CPU...
[QUOTE=Killuah;38605625]I've read about that a few days ago, not the same source. Just as a kind of confirmation.[/QUOTE]
for me the other source said this was only for low end PC's and not the desktop CPU's PC Gamers and PC Enthusiasts buy
They won't. They can't. Oh god I hope.
[editline]26th November 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Baconator;38605697]for me the other source said this was only for low end PC's and not the desktop CPU's PC Gamers and PC Enthusiasts buy[/QUOTE]This makes sense.
This rumor has been floating around for at least 2 or 3 weeks that I've known about, but given the current development of tech, it's not happening anytime soon, at least not for anything beyond extremely low budget shitboxes. There are simply too many variations in what people want for a mid to high end product line to be feasible.
Here's another source.
[url]http://www.extremetech.com/computing/141443-leaked-intel-roadmap-shows-the-end-of-socketed-cpus-the-end-of-upgradable-pc[/url]
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