Iran grants Russia permission for military overflights into Syria; Unconfirmed reports of Spetsnaz s - Polidicks

[QUOTE]MOSCOW -- Iran has granted permission for Russian planes to fly over its territory en route to Syria, Russian news agencies said Wednesday, a bypass needed after Bulgaria refused overflights amid signs of a Russian military buildup in Syria that has concerned the U.S. and NATO. The news agencies quoted Maxim Suslov, spokesman for the Russian Embassy in Tehran, as saying it has received Iranian permission for Syria-bound flights. After Bulgaria rejected Moscow's overflight request for Sept. 1-24, a path via Iran and Iraq appeared to be the only one left, as Russia apparently sought to avoid flying over Turkey, which in 2012 grounded a Syria-bound plane carrying radar parts from Moscow. There was no immediate confirmation from Iran.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/iran-gives-russia-ok-for-syria-bound-flights-1.2554166[/url] [Quote] WASHINGTON — The United States on Tuesday moved to head off preparations for a suspected Russian military buildup in Syria as Bulgaria agreed to an appeal from the Obama administration to shut its airspace to Russian transport planes. The planes’ destination was the Syrian port city of Latakia. The administration has also asked Greece to close its airspace to the Russian flights, Greek and American officials said, but Greece has not publicly responded to the request. The apparent Russian military preparations and the Obama administration’s attempt to block them have escalated long-running tensions between the White House and the Kremlin. Although the United States and Russia agree that the Islamic State is a threat, the new dispute shows that they remain far apart on how best to combat the militant group and on the political future of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria — divisions that are likely to be on display when President Obama and President Vladimir V. Putin speak to the United Nations General Assembly this month. The administration’s concerns were fueled last week by intelligence reports indicating that Russia appeared to be making preparations to deploy advisers and military personnel to an airfield south of Latakia and might also bring in aircraft and fly airstrikes from there. Those preparations included the delivery of prefabricated housing for as many as 1,000 personnel and a portable air traffic control station to the airfield. Over the weekend, two giant Russian Condor transport planes ferried more supplies and equipment from an air base in southern Russia across Iran and Iraq to Latakia, according to an American official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the official was discussing intelligence reports. A Russian troop transport plane, probably an Ilyushin model, also landed at the same airfield in Latakia over the weekend. That aircraft, which flew over Greece and Bulgaria, is believed to have carried Russian military personnel. “They’re clearly establishing some sort of forward operating base,” the American official said. There have also been unconfirmed sightings of Russian Spetsnaz special forces at the Syrian Naval Academy, officials said. Providing a benign explanation for the operations, the Russian news media has suggested that the planes were carrying humanitarian assistance. That is the same rationale Russia used to explain convoys that are believed to have delivered military supplies to Ukrainian separatists and that Iran has used to fly arms to Damascus to support the Assad government. [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/09/world/europe/us-moves-to-block-russian-military-buildup-in-syria.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;48650958]So not only do they sit on their asses while ISIS slaughters and rapes it way through the Middle East, but they're defending them too?[/QUOTE] Who are you talking about. Russia supports Assad, not ISIS.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;48650958]So not only do they sit on their asses while ISIS slaughters and rapes it way through the Middle East, but they're defending them too?[/QUOTE] There's a point to make about the decline of oil and gas prices in the west in recent years, which would explain the stance of both the US and Russia on a military intervention against IS. Needless to say my evidence is way too filmsy for me to go ahead and make a statement on that, so I'll stop right there before I get called out on tinfoiling.

[QUOTE=Scarabix;48651161]There's a point to make about the decline of oil and gas prices in the west in recent years, which would explain the stance of both the US and Russia on a military intervention against IS. Needless to say my evidence is way too filmsy for me to go ahead and make a statement on that, so I'll stop right there before I get called out on tinfoiling.[/QUOTE] Again if it was oil that was so damned important, why hasn't the US invaded Venezuela?

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;48651126]Talking about the US, not Russia.[/QUOTE] If you havent noticed not many Americans want to go back into the middle east

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48651756]Again if it was oil that was so damned important, why hasn't the US invaded Venezuela?[/QUOTE] They have...

Wait, Russia, stop, you're going to end up like we did, come back.

i guess the russians too need somewhere to test all their military gadgets and hardware.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;48651915]Wait, Russia, stop, you're going to end up like we did, come back.[/QUOTE] Someone have to clean up all this shit, unfortunately.

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;48651998]Someone have to clean up all this shit, unfortunately.[/QUOTE] Then stop propping up Assad(?) He started this by sending the military in and shooting up towns protesting the election The whole place is a mess and its going to take a lot more than one country trying to prop it up with its own ideology. If Russia really wants to get involved they should go to the UN, stop blocking resolutions to bring multinational aid in and start working to deescalate the situation, instead its now adding another fighting force to syria [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Scarabix;48651161]There's a point to make about the decline of oil and gas prices in the west in recent years, which would explain the stance of both the US and Russia on a military intervention against IS. Needless to say my evidence is way too filmsy for me to go ahead and make a statement on that, so I'll stop right there before I get called out on tinfoiling.[/QUOTE] Too late, France invaded libya for oil too by your logic

[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;48651998]Someone have to clean up all this shit, unfortunately.[/QUOTE] Somehow I doubt they're there to clean things up, unless you're talking about a different kind of clean-up...

[QUOTE=Sableye;48652096]Then stop propping up Assad (?) Too late, France invaded libya for oil too by your logic[/QUOTE] FSA is garbage, Assad's regime is an only option left for cooperation. Deal with it already. Not everything can turn out fancy-pancy liberal. Sometimes you gotta pick between mad terrorists and accused tyrant. I'd say you pick what you can atleast negotiate with.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;48652479]FSA is garbage, Assad's regime is an only option left for cooperation. Deal with it already. Not everything can turn out fancy-pancy liberal. Sometimes you gotta pick between mad terrorists and accused tyrant. I'd say you pick what you can atleast negotiate with.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this, Assad is the least worst of that bunch.

[QUOTE=isreal?;48651827]They have...[/QUOTE] No they haven't?

[QUOTE=isreal?;48651827]They have...[/QUOTE] Whut

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48652628]No they haven't?[/QUOTE] I think he's referring to the failed [URL="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27état_attempt"]2002 Venezuelan coup[/URL], which Chavez claimed received support from the US.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;48653141]Stop destabilizing countries and creating migrant crisises that Europe has to deal with.[/QUOTE]Pretty sure that works in Russia's favor considering the recent shift in tone between Europe and Russia. Looks like the discussion gudman and I had regarding Russia's participation has turned out a bit different than we had anticipated.

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;48650958]So not only do they sit on their asses while ISIS slaughters and rapes it way through the Middle East, but they're defending them too?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Matthew0505;48651126]Talking about the US, not Russia.[/QUOTE] [t]http://imgkk.com/i/_i1u.jpg[/t] [t]http://imgkk.com/i/p66d.png[/t] [QUOTE=Matthew0505;48650958]they sit on their asses[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=smurfy;48653364][t]http://imgkk.com/i/_i1u.jpg[/t] [t]http://imgkk.com/i/p66d.png[/t][/QUOTE] Totally missing the point. The US has long tried to use the extremists against Assad, while Russia did the opposite. It wasn't until the Islamists attacked the Iraqi puppet state that we started doing anything to them, however we still work around Turkish interests on that matter (wanting to overthrow Assad without a Kurdish state forming and disrupting pro-West Syrian and Iraqi governments, not to mention Turkey the NATO ally). From the outset of the Syrian civil war we have sat on our asses and tried to make things work in a way that benefits our regional interests. Russia has always been involved to defending the government but not in a way that seriously guarantees Assad's rule, so Kerry's warning makes it clear we aren't interested in ending this war, we are still in the 'sit on our ass' phase because we haven't given up on the strategy of using rebels to overthrow Assad. Russia will put an end to that, thus our response.

[QUOTE=Conscript;48653425] From the outset of the Syrian civil war we have sat on our asses and tried to make things work in a way that benefits our regional interests. Russia has always been involved to defending the government but not in a way that seriously guarantees Assad's rule, so Kerry's warning makes it clear we aren't interested in ending this war, we are still in the 'sit on our ass' phase because we haven't given up on the strategy of using rebels to overthrow Assad. Russia will put an end to that, thus our response.[/QUOTE] Sat on out asses,huh? Like when everyone besides Russia and China where trying to pass UN resolutions condemning use of force in Syria?

People complain that the Americans won't send in troops to ISIS and if they did, people would complain about the Americans doing that.

To the people saying the refugee crisis is a result of US sticking it's nose in and "chasing oil" - it's a result of NO US intervention

[QUOTE=AWarGuy;48655619]People complain that the Americans won't send in troops to ISIS and if they did, people would complain about the Americans doing that.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Inspector N;48655905]To the people saying the refugee crisis is a result of US sticking it's nose in and "chasing oil" - it's a result of NO US intervention[/QUOTE]This is something that any United States citizen is hyper aware of especially online, we're constantly harassed about our government's decision to go "police the world" and how we're all a nation of terrible, terrible people for it. Then those same stupid motherfuckers bitch and moan because we haven't done what we've always done. Now Europeans are starting to blame us for their problems when we're doing exactly what they fucking wanted us to do. :l It's nice to see somebody from Australia and somebody from the UK understand our position: we're expected to fix the world's problems and listen to the peanut gallery insult us while we do it. Pointing out this ridiculous sense of entitlement gets us berated so we literally cannot win no matter what we do, which is why we're not exactly feeling supportive for the European migrant problem at all. We're still doing most of the heavy lifting as far as combat support for the opposition to ISIS by the way, and I bet somewhere down the line somebody will find a way to bitch about that too.

Why can't America just accept they have a common enemy with Russia again like that time when they smacked Hitler's shit? Besides, wouldn't America/NATO want Russian troops on the ground fighting ISIS? It means less Russian troops going into Ukraine.

Let's just all chill out and build wind turbines before this escalates.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48656353]This is something that any United States citizen is hyper aware of especially online, we're constantly harassed about our government's decision to go "police the world" and how we're all a nation of terrible, terrible people for it. Then those same stupid motherfuckers bitch and moan because we haven't done what we've always done. Now Europeans are starting to blame us for their problems when we're doing exactly what they fucking wanted us to do. :l It's nice to see somebody from Australia and somebody from the UK understand our position: we're expected to fix the world's problems and listen to the peanut gallery insult us while we do it. Pointing out this ridiculous sense of entitlement gets us berated so we literally cannot win no matter what we do, which is why we're not exactly feeling supportive for the European migrant problem at all. We're still doing most of the heavy lifting as far as combat support for the opposition to ISIS by the way, and I bet somewhere down the line somebody will find a way to bitch about that too.[/QUOTE] And people seem to think that there's some sort of cost-free intervention that's possible but the US just isn't doing anything for some reason. As if the airstrikes we have already carried out in Syria haven't killed dozens of civilians already. Every time drone strikes in Pakistan are mentioned there's a huge uproar but apparently jets doing the same in Al-Raqqa doesn't warrant criticism of any kind. The talk I hear about intervention against the Islamic State is embarrassingly childish.

[QUOTE=Explosions;48657174]And people seem to think that there's some sort of cost-free intervention that's possible but the US just isn't doing anything for some reason. As if the airstrikes we have already carried out in Syria haven't killed dozens of civilians already. Every time drone strikes in Pakistan are mentioned there's a huge uproar but apparently jets doing the same in Al-Raqqa doesn't warrant criticism of any kind. The talk I hear about intervention against the Islamic State is embarrassingly childish.[/QUOTE]Yeah, like we're just sitting back just to be assholes or something. I think after over a decade of constant warfare most sane Americans are more or less aware (or maybe I'm just being hopeful here) that you can't just do "something" and come out of it scott-free, I think we're used to everything failing so we've gotten cautious as a nation. Really, it's a good thing, but if Europeans want this problem solved maybe they should drop the peace-and-love attitude and try taking up the World Police(tm) badge themselves. I remember posting on here over a year ago that people would get mad because we're not getting involved with troops. Looks like I was spot-on with that. [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] Actually haha I think somebody with (I think) an Australian flag called me an idiot because I posted that and said everyone would be happy if we fucked off.

They hate us because they ain't US. Rah yut warheads on foreheads, kill bodies etc

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;48656553]Why can't America just accept they have a common enemy with Russia again like that time when they smacked Hitler's shit? Besides, wouldn't America/NATO want Russian troops on the ground fighting ISIS? It means less Russian troops going into Ukraine.[/QUOTE] I think Putin has enough soldiers for both. Also, comparing isis with nazi Germany is like comparing a crazy dog barking at you with a bulldozer coming to smash your home.