UK to introduce new law to tackle stalkers like Garry's
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35010544[/url]
[quote]The Home Office is planning to introduce a new court order to tackle stalking in England and Wales.
This follows concerns about a rise in so-called 'stranger stalking' where people target victims they have never met or barely know.
Cases include people becoming fixated on a doctor, a workmate or someone contacted briefly online.
One in five women and one in 10 men are victims of stalking, according to the Crime Survey for England and Wales.
An eight-week consultation on the stalking protection order comes as part of wider proposals to help victims of domestic abuse.[/quote]
Edit: I guess I assumed everyone read Garry's blog. He's recently posted the full story of how someone has been abusing him through email since 2007, [url=http://garry.tv/2015/11/10/stalkers-and-abuse-part-1/]it starts here[/url] but it will take you several hours if you want to properly read all of it.
Does Garry actually have a stalker, or was that just a joke?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49249310]Does Garry actually have a stalker, or was that just a joke?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://garry.tv/2015/11/10/stalkers-and-abuse-part-1/[/url]
Never finished it but it seems too large to be a prank.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49249310]Does Garry actually have a stalker, or was that just a joke?[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't surprise me if it were true.
Andrew is crazy.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49249324][url]http://garry.tv/2015/11/10/stalkers-and-abuse-part-1/[/url]
Never finished it but it seems too large to be a prank.[/QUOTE]
Holyshit, I just skipped to the last bit to see how long the emails were going on for,
First email was Mar 10, 2007 - Fri, Nov 27, 2015 was the last one garry posted
Holy fuck.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49249324][url]http://garry.tv/2015/11/10/stalkers-and-abuse-part-1/[/url]
Never finished it but it seems too large to be a prank.[/QUOTE]
I remember when Garry originally posted about it back in 2008, always wondered what happened after that but I assumed he must have just given up eventually, until garry posted that.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49249324][url]http://garry.tv/2015/11/10/stalkers-and-abuse-part-1/[/url]
Never finished it but it seems too large to be a prank.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] You’d be doing me a favour if you had me whacked, tell me to go to a specific place, anywhere in the UK, where you can have someone carry out the hit[/QUOTE]
Holy fuck, what a colossal fucktard.
Christ, this thread is gonna be in one of his responses isn't it
That guy was legit.
There was also a guy who discovered Garry's address but it was out of coincidence and detective work, not for stalking or abuse
I would've snapped far earlier and would have just had the cops called on him way more sooner. The whole situation is fucked, he needs some [I]very[/I] serious help.
Garry used to post a lot of cool stuff about what was going on in his life and treated his blog like an actual blog. I wonder if he decided to stop posting as much because he didn't want Andrew (the crazy guy) to use it to attack his family
Come out of the shadows Andrew.
[QUOTE=smurfy;49249304][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35010544[/url]
Edit: I guess I assumed everyone read Garry's blog. He's recently posted the full story of how someone has been abusing him through email since 2007, [url=http://garry.tv/2015/11/10/stalkers-and-abuse-part-1/]it starts here[/url] but it will take you several hours if you want to properly read all of it.[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ that guy. That is a whole other level of fucked up.
I feel fucking bad for Garry for having to put up with that shit for that long. That being said I'm surprised he never gave up, the guy is neurologically fucked up; you can't talk proper neural circuits back into his head.
Not to be unkind, but good god. After reading ye' mighty Stalkers and Abuse blog, it seems like Garry was, uh, not leading the guy on, but not handling the situation even remotely well.
He even did have the option to have the police intervene, really, but he held back because he wanted to be kind.
Perhaps it's just my position on it, but trying to "help" or "fix" a person you've never met, particularly with deep seated psychological problems ([I]not[/I] just counting the Asperger's syndrome) is a surefire recipe for well, the content of those posts plus a few side orders of unintended consequences.
Don't get me wrong. It's funny in a horrifying way. It's heartwarming that garry tried. But to me, in it's totallity it's deeply disturbing.
It's Chris-Chan Mk. British, condensed in to one person's problem alone.
[quote]The only reason a woman wouldn’t like him is because he isn’t a 6’6 black, rich and a drug dealer. Which is obviously why the only guys you see that are married are 6’6 black, rich and a drug dealers. It’s why most of our dad’s turn out to be 6’6 black, rich and a drug dealers.[/quote]
Garry confirmed for 6'6" black drug dealer.
[editline]4th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49249843]Not to be unkind, but good god. After reading ye' mighty Stalkers and Abuse blog, it seems like Garry was, uh, not leading the guy on, but not handling the situation even remotely well.[/QUOTE]
Garry was wayyy more patient than I would have been. It seemed really easy to figure out who he was/who his mom was, I would have just called the cops as soon as the threats of suicide and/or nuking England started.
I just spent the last two hours reading through all six parts of that and, Jesus Christ...
There were several moments were I just couldn't bring myself to keep reading. I had to take a moment to recollect myself. Some of that stuff, especially the earliest messages, is the most vile and toxic things I've ever seen a human being direct to another.
It's an amazing thing that Garry was able to respond to all that hatred the way he did, being sardonic and chill as fuck.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;49249844]
Garry was wayyy more patient than I would have been. It seemed really easy to figure out who he was/who his mom was, I would have just called the cops as soon as the threats of suicide and/or nuking England started.[/QUOTE]
And I feel like that's, perhaps, the less compassionate but more responsible thing to do. I willfully admit though, it's a personal judgement. To me it's not a question of the patience. It's a question of, "what's best for me as well as for them?"
I don't think I could take being Andy's morale crutch, and I've helped two friends out of suicide. Maybe that's what I'm missing. I don't [I]feel[/I] for Andy at all, and garry clearly did.
[QUOTE=DanTehMan;49249750]Garry used to post a lot of cool stuff about what was going on in his life and treated his blog like an actual blog. I wonder if he decided to stop posting as much because he didn't want Andrew (the crazy guy) to use it to attack his family[/QUOTE]
I remember when he used to make blog posts about the development of botch years back, I loved those. Really anything he posted was interesting to read, I wish he would post more often again.
Here's andrew's fp account: [URL]https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=89864[/URL]. Dude was a nut, I'm pretty sure he tried to recreate whole threads in the Refuge Camp when he was banned.
[QUOTE=smurfy;49249304][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35010544[/url]
Edit: I guess I assumed everyone read Garry's blog. He's recently posted the full story of how someone has been abusing him through email since 2007, [url=http://garry.tv/2015/11/10/stalkers-and-abuse-part-1/]it starts here[/url] but it will take you several hours if you want to properly read all of it.[/QUOTE]
What the hell kind of human being is this? If this is even a human. That guy is clearly not quite right in the head, poor guy. It's really depressing to see someone act like this.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49249865]And I feel like that's, perhaps, the less compassionate but more responsible thing to do. I willfully admit though, it's a personal judgement. To me it's not a question of the patience. It's a question of, "what's best for me as well as for them?"
I don't think I could take being Andy's morale crutch, and I've helped two friends out of suicide. Maybe that's what I'm missing. I don't [I]feel[/I] for Andy at all, and garry clearly did.[/QUOTE]
There are also third parties to consider. He was clearly stalking other people, and even threatening to throw acid into women's faces. At that point law enforcement needs to get involved.
[editline]5th December 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=gameplaya89;49250099]Here's andrew's fp account: [URL]https://facepunch.com/member.php?u=89864[/URL]. Dude was a nut, I'm pretty sure he tried to recreate whole threads in the Refuge Camp when he was banned.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit I remember that guy
Reading through it what the hell is Garry thinking? After 7 years you haven't realized this dude is dangerous and you should distance yourself from him? And that trying to play friends with a stalker is a bad idea? I get that you saw some hope in the guy but he needs professional help, not a stalkee. And if you really want him locked up those emails would probably help.
[QUOTE=Intoxicated Spy;49249358]Holyshit, I just skipped to the last bit to see how long the emails were going on for,
First email was Mar 10, 2007 - Fri, Nov 27, 2015 was the last one garry posted
Holy fuck.[/QUOTE]
I just read the entire thing and I can honestly say I cried reading what Garry has been subjected to. It's beyond words, and that is coming from an English major. Nobody, not even your worst enemy, should be subject to a campaign of one-sided warfare for that long of a period of time.
It's terrifying that one person's Kafkaesque descent into paranoid madness could build up in that manner, completely unprovoked. What he's done and what he holds the threat of doing in the future is absolutely horrific, and really makes one think about how this wonderful thing called the internet makes all of us incredibly vulnerable to these kinds of attacks.
I feel simultaneously terrible for and terrified of him, because he is so beyond reproach or help. He needs institutionalization and forced deprivation from the internet to have any hope of reintegrating into anything resembling reality. That and a regime of anti-psychotics. He mentions the simultaneous abuse of alcohol and energy drinks, so I am inclined to imagine [but not substantially credit the theory] that this all originated when he blacked out and posted the original stuff in his own name which got him banned in the first place. He sobered up, discovered he was banned, and developed a paranoid explanation in the blank space in his memory - and has spent the last eight years believing and reinforcing it.
I don't even know what I should say Garry should do, as I don't know what I'd do myself. How exactly does one go about initiating an inter-national investigation of a single case of cyber-bullying? A one-man terrorist organization, operating full throttle against its perceived oppressor?
-- as a point of honesty to emphasize the fact that it is beyond words: I've typed several paragraphs describing the assault beyond this point but simply cannot bring myself to not delete them because it's all so insensible. It's like a real-life embodiment of Annie Wilkes from Stephen King's [I]Misery[/I] in the modern age. He is all of the justification needed for the next edition of the DSM to have an additional class of mental disorder based on the words "Kafkaesque cyber-reality."
--- To answer with something relevant to the thread: Garry's blog post is exactly why laws like these need to be put into effect. Cyber-bullying and stalking through the internet are going to be talked about in the future as things we ignored for far too long.
[QUOTE=FreakyMe;49250351]I just read the entire thing and I can honestly say I cried. It's beyond words, and that is coming from an English major. Nobody, not even your worst enemy, should be subject to a campaign of one-sided warfare for that long of a period of time.
It's terrifying that one person's Kafkaesque descent into paranoid madness could build up in that manner, completely unprovoked. What he's done and what he holds the threat of doing in the future is absolutely horrific, and really makes one think about how this wonderful thing called the internet makes all of us incredibly vulnerable to these kinds of attacks.
I feel simultaneously terrible for and terrified of him, because he is so beyond reproach or help. He needs institutionalization and forced deprivation from the internet to have any hope of reintegrating into anything resembling reality. That and a regime of anti-psychotics. He mentions the simultaneous abuse of alcohol and energy drinks, so I am inclined to believe that this all originated when he blacked out and posted the original stuff in his own name which got him banned in the first place. He sobered up, discovered he was banned, and developed a paranoid explanation in the blank space in his memory - and has spent the last eight years believing and reinforcing it.
I don't even know what I should say Garry should do, as I don't know what I'd do myself. How exactly does one go about initiating an inter-national investigation of a single case of cyber-bullying?[/QUOTE]
I feel at this stage it seems being sectioned under the Mental Health Act maybe the best thing for him. I think its pretty obvious to those involved that he has been seriously ill for a long time and as someone who has two mentally ill people in my family tree (One being my own father, who refuses to seek treatment) I know how much stress it can cause.
After reading what you guys have just posted, I really don't want to read Garry's blog. It sounds awful, I couldn't imagine having something as sinister as this playing in your mind at all times, it's sounds like some form of psychological malevolent curse.
[QUOTE=ratman;49250499]After reading what you guys have just posted, I really don't want to read Garry's blog. It sounds awful, I couldn't imagine having something as sinister as this playing in your mind at all times, it's sounds like some form of psychological malevolent curse.[/QUOTE]
I spent a good 3 hours reading it. Absolutely depressing. I nearly cried for this person, and I am not the type to become emotional, ever. I think the silent protagonist in this story was the spam filter.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49249324][url]http://garry.tv/2015/11/10/stalkers-and-abuse-part-1/[/url]
Never finished it but it seems too large to be a prank.[/QUOTE]
Were is part 4? I need to know what happens!
[QUOTE=Jacob_sword;49250627]Were is part 4? I need to know what happens![/QUOTE]
[url]http://garry.tv/[/url] Has all the parts 1-6 on them.