As we all know there is a huge conflict in the middle east - Israel or Phalestine. What are your opinions for solution? should Israel be a one nation country? should they divide Israel into 2 countries?
My opinion is:
The Arabic countries should give to Israel their lands for the best solution (in my opinion ofcourse). Withing just 60 years Israel made one of the most advanced countries in the world, and they keep on growing. I believe that if the Arab Union will give their land to Israel, with all of their rich natural sources, the middle east can be one of the worlds new empire like America or Russia. Also, both the jews and the arabs will enjoy of a new and more advanced country, and will probably will be one of the most richest and prosper unions (and peacefully ofcourse).
Problem: Israel has military technology from America and NATO.
Israel is a very close ally to America.
Israel was given to the "Jews" after WW2 because of the holocaust.
After seeing how Israelies and other Jews act today against Muslims and other people, I can't help but think that Hitler was right in some respects.
As a citizen of Israel I can tell you that the world is blinded by the media. In order to understand the whole situation people should just come and live in Israel for something like 2 months. The arabic citizens of Israel are bieng treated here equal as each and every one of the other citizens here. About the Gaza strip:
Since Israel gaved to the phalestines Gaza strip, they started to attack Sderot city (in the territory of Israel) for 7 whole years, and Israel didnt responded with ANY military actions, untill Lebanon War 2. That was the jewish respond to their actions. I dont know what the media feeds you over there, but if the phalestinians would negotiate with the Israeli government without any terror actions im pretty much sure that we could have an agreement between us
[QUOTE=Corewarp3;33534289]Problem: Israel has military technology from America and NATO.
Israel is a very close ally to America.
Israel was given to the "Jews" after WW2 because of the holocaust.
After seeing how Israelies and other Jews act today against Muslims and other people, I can't help but think that Hitler was right in some respects.[/QUOTE]
Godwin's law on first comment, and agreeing with Hitler. What a wonderful thread this will end up as.
Start building MacDonalds on every few corners in there.. That should right about do it.
[QUOTE=Svidlak;33534319]As a citizen of Israel I can tell you that the world is blinded by the media. In order to understand the whole situation people should just come and live in Israel for something like 2 months. The arabic citizens of Israel are bieng treated here equal as each and every one of the other citizens here. About the Gaza strip:
Since Israel gaved to the phalestines Gaza strip, they started to attack Sderot city (in the territory of Israel) for 7 whole years, and Israel didnt responded with ANY military actions, untill Lebanon War 2. That was the jewish respond to their actions. I dont know what the media feeds you over there, but if the phalestinians would negotiate with the Israeli government without any terror actions im pretty much sure that we could have an agreement between us[/QUOTE]
You sound like a 12 year old.
Anyway, to the debate- My solution is that there is no solution. Both the Israelis and the Palestinians have the same right to the land-None. If current Israel was a chair, then the Israelis claim the have a right to sit on the chair because they bought it 3000 years ago, and the Palestinians claim to own the chair because they sat on it for a very long time. Both of these claims are preposterous in my opinion.
It's a shame the Palestinians didn't agree to the 1947 partition plan-We could have set up a huge tourism empire out of this whole "holy land" bullshit, and scam Christians [b]together[/b] instead of doing it separately.
Kill everyone there and destroy all the land from any possible future inhabitance. That would effectivly solve all problems, however it is in no way a good idea at all or should be seen as a plausable solution at all, because it's not. Infact if it happened I would be pretty pissed.
[QUOTE=The one that is;33535833]Kill everyone there and destroy all the land from any possible future inhabitance. That would effectivly solve all problems, however it is in no way a good idea at all or should be seen as a plausable solution at all, because it's not. Infact if it happened I would be pretty pissed.[/QUOTE]
"Kill everyone" kind of defeats the point doesn't it?
Blowing up the house because you have a termite infestation and all that stuff.
[QUOTE=Corewarp3;33534289]Problem: Israel has military technology from America and NATO.
Israel is a very close ally to America.
Israel was given to the "Jews" after WW2 because of the holocaust.
After seeing how Israelies and other Jews act today against Muslims and other people, I can't help but think that Hitler was right in some respects.[/QUOTE]
Yeah because the Israeli government acting up really justifies the mass murder of an entire ethnicity. You should be god damn ashamed of yourself.
As for the actual subject at hand, I don't think the middle east problem will be solved until all the corrupt governments finally get thrown out, either via reform, revolution or foreign intervention (although the latter one rarely works)
[QUOTE=semite;33536920]Jewish scriptures[/QUOTE]
Surely these can't be part of actual Jewish belief.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;33535003]You sound like a 12 year old.[/QUOTE]
He lives in Israel. Just because he can't speak English very well doesn't mean he's 12.
[QUOTE=Capitalist Dog;33537386]He lives in Israel. Just because he can't speak English very well doesn't mean he's 12.[/QUOTE]
No I don't think he's referring to his English, his ideas is immature and that of a 12 year old.
"All the Arab countries should give their land to Israel"
I can't tell if this is some elaborate joke, or really a 12 year old.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33537261]Surely these can't be part of actual Jewish belief.[/QUOTE]
That's why they're cited. Go read the English translations and find out for yourself if you still don't believe the truth about Judens.
[QUOTE=Svidlak;33534319]but if the phalestinians would negotiate with the Israeli government without any terror actions im pretty much sure that we could have an agreement between us[/QUOTE]
You really do not know the full extent of the situation, and the reasons behind negotiation failure, do you?
[QUOTE=Starpluck;33537404]No I don't think he's referring to his English, his ideas is immature and that of a 12 year old.
"All the Arab countries should give their land to Israel"
I can't tell if this is some elaborate joke, or really a 12 year old.[/QUOTE]
He was referring to the Israeli citizen who explained how Arabs were treated in Israel, not the "give all land to Israel" guy.
[QUOTE=Capitalist Dog;33537577]He was referring to the Israeli citizen who explained how Arabs were treated in Israel, not the "give all land to Israel" guy.[/QUOTE]
They're the same users...
[QUOTE=Starpluck;33537634]They're the same users...[/QUOTE]
Oh, well fuck. Then this is probably a joke.
[QUOTE=semite;33537467]That's why they're cited. Go read the English translations and find out for yourself if you still don't believe the truth about Judens.[/QUOTE]
Oh look, an anti-Semite.
Didn't know we had those here.
There's also this.
[QUOTE=Svidlak;33534319]The arabic citizens of Israel are bieng treated here equal as each and every one of the other citizens here.[/quote]
The majority of the human rights abuses and the discriminatory polices hardly take place in Israel proper, they're prevalent in the occupied territories. That's also where the accusations of apartheid and institutionalized racism is directed at - the OPT.
[quote]About the Gaza strip:
Since Israel gaved to the phalestines Gaza strip[/quote]
Israel never "gave" the Palestinians the Gaza Strip, saying so is an a extremely loose way of putting it. The Palestinian don't even decide what goes in or out of Gaza, a brutal siege is in place which targets both citizens and war-targets alike.
I'm also sure you'd agree the term "to give" would also entail control of their waters (Flotilla sending aid) right? Fisherman are also continually harassed in the waters Israel "gave" them.
[quote]they started to attack Sderot city (in the territory of Israel) for 7 whole years, and Israel didnt responded with ANY military actions, untill Lebanon War 2. That was the jewish respond to their actions.[/quote]
Lebanon War 2, what?
It was Operation Cast Lead. And bullshit with "no military action" Israel repeatedly retaliated by striking the rocket-launching locations.
Furthermore, Israel and Hamas had a 6 month ceasefire. Israel officially concedes that there were not a single Hamas rocket as long as Israel partially observed a truce with Hamas in 2008.
Israel rejected Hamas' offer to renew the truce when it expired, preferring to launch the murderous and destructive Operation Cast Lead against Gaza in December 2008, with full US backing, an exploit of murderous aggression without the slightest credible pretext on either legal or moral grounds.
[quote]I dont know what the media feeds you over there, but if the phalestinians would negotiate with the Israeli government without any terror actions im pretty much sure that we could have an agreement between us[/QUOTE]
Except not really.
Just a day ago, Netanyahu (Israeli premier) who agreed to the Middle-Eastern Quartet peace plan (Consisting of the UK, Russia, the US and the EU), rejected Abbas' proposal and refused to make any counter-proposals from the Israeli side, as specified in the Quartert plan.
Scumbag Netanyahu: [url]http://i.qkme.me/6qsm.jpg[/url]
[QUOTE=semite;33536920][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4346505/non-jews.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Because Judaism is the only religion on earth that considers non believers filthy animals.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo[/media]
[QUOTE=Glorbo;33538128]Because Judaism is the only religion on earth that considers non believers filthy animals.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37OWL7AzvHo[/media][/QUOTE]
To the extent that text does, yes.
[QUOTE=Capitalist Dog;33537386]He lives in Israel.[/QUOTE]
So do I.
[QUOTE=Capitalist Dog;33537386]Just because he can't speak English very well doesn't mean he's 12.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't referring to his language. And if he is using Internet Explorer without any sort of spellchecker on an English-Speaking forum, then yes, he looks like someone about 12-15 years old.
[editline]2nd December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33538164]To the extent that text does, yes.[/QUOTE]
"Animals" is a general term. I'm talking about religions that treat other religions like shit based on their scripture and leaders, and there's plenty of that all around.
Also, note the origins of most of the quotes. Most of them (if not all of them) are not from the bible itself, but from opinion pieces written by Jewish religious figures. There are plenty of extremists in any religion that spew shit like that.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;33538172]
"Animals" is a general term. I'm talking about religions that treat other religions like shit based on their scripture and leaders, and there's plenty of that all around.
Also, note the origins of most of the quotes. Most of them (if not all of them) are not from the bible itself, but from opinion pieces written by Jewish religious figures. There are plenty of extremists in any religion that spew shit like that.[/QUOTE]
Not to the extent that it's ok to cheat, lie and steal if it means getting back at people not of their religion. I mean I'm not really bothered if some Jews believe that stuff (which I doubt most do) as long as they don't actually go against the law.
To be honest though I thought it was fairly obvious that stuff was added by extremists, it doesn't sound like anything I've heard of in regards to the Jews.
There has never been a Palestinian state. Palestine refers to a region, not a country or even a specific group of people. On the other hand there have been 3 established Jewish states in that area. If anyone has a right to live there, it's the Jews.
About the verses: Taking anything out of context makes them completely useless.
[QUOTE=sgman91;33538513]There has never been a Palestinian state. Palestine refers to a region, not a country or even a specific group of people. On the other hand there have been 3 established Jewish states in that area. If anyone has a right to live there, it's the Jews.
About the verses: Taking anything out of context makes them completely useless.[/QUOTE]
How have there been [B]three[/B] Jewish states?
When statehood is a post-ottoman empire construction?
I wrote an 18 page essay on this in 2010 for my international conflicts class. I’ll just add the bit where I made my final conclusion after looking at the full history of the conflict and the possible different routes to fix the issues at hand. Also as a side note there were more than two solutions offered up in the political arena but the two-state plan based on the “Quartet” roadmap and the one-state solution were the main two.
“When looking at which of the two solutions have more support within the political landscape, and which has an overall more concrete plan of action to solve the issue at hand. I would have to recommend the two-state plan based on the “Quartet" Roadmap and offers made during talks between the two in 2008, which I outlined above, as being a viable answer to the Arab-Israeli conflict. This plan has been the route labored over for years within the peace process, though the problems within it are plenty, it is the only one ever taken seriously within talks. Based on their demands, I believe the two-state plan is the only achievable route on the table today.”
Also I just want to add that when the state of Israel was established in 1948, Israel initially agreed on the two state solution, but the Arabs refused to give up half of Palestine to the Jews. They felt it should be a single Arab ruled state. Furthermore at this point reverting back fully to the 1967 borders for Israel is just simply impractical.
[QUOTE=ScottyTripod;33549145]Also I just want to add that when the state of Israel was established in 1948, Israel initially agreed on the two state solution, but the Arabs refused to give up half of Palestine to the Jews. They felt it should be a single Arab ruled state.[/quote]
I notice when people bring this up, they never cease to omit the most important points.
1. The plan was to partition Palestine between its indigenous natives and the new Jewish European immigrants.
2. Under the UN plan, the newly immigrated European Jews were granted more than fifty six per cent of historical Palestine while the native Palestinians, [highlight]who owned ninety three per cent of the territory[/highlight], were offered [highlight]less than forty four per cent of their own land.[/highlight]
3. Naturally, the Palestinians rejected the UN plan as unjust and [B]called for a fair resolution that recognized the rights of the indigenous land owners.[/B]
4. The partition vote was based on a UN Special Committee (UNSCOP) recommendation to divide the country into three parts: a Palestinian state with a population of 735,000, of which 725,000 were Palestinians and 10,000 Jews; a new Jewish state comprised of 499,000 Jews and 407,000 Palestinians, creating a new state with roughly less than sixty per cent Jewish majority.
While publicly professing to accept the UN vote, the Zionist leadership was equally unhappy with the partition plan. The Zionists, who were to be given what wasn’t theirs in the first place, were vexed with the large proportional number of Muslims and Christians in the newly allocated Jewish state.
In addressing the Central Committee of the Histadrut (the Eretz Israel Workers Party) days after the UN vote to partition Palestine, Ben-Gurion expressed his apprehension stating:
[release]…the total population of the Jewish State at the time of its establishment will be about one million, including almost 40% non-Jews. Such a [population] composition does not provide a stable basis for a Jewish State. This [demographic] fact must be viewed in all its clarity and acuteness. With such a [population] composition, there cannot even be absolute certainty that control will remain in the hands of the Jewish majority… There can be no stable and strong Jewish state so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60%[/release]
To ensure with “absolute certainty” a Jewish exclusivity, The Zionist’s “Transfer [expulsion] Committee” waged a war to cleanse their part of the non Jewish population. The war [expulsion] committee under the leadership of Ben Gurion, consciously or unconsciously assigned jargons tantamount to ethnic cleansing to its military operations, from Hebrew names such as matateh (broom), tihur (cleansing), biur (a Passover expression meaning “to cleanse the leaven”) and niku (cleaning up)
Following Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in 1948, to satisfy its insatiable expansionist land grab strategy and to secure an “absolute Jewish majority”, the Zionists assailed, depopulated and occupied further thirty per cent of the land which had been designated for the future Palestinian state under the UN plan.
The remaining twenty two per cent of Palestine was ruled by Jordan (West Bank) and Egypt (Gaza) until 1967 when Israel waged another war to occupy the remaining parts of historical Palestine.
Sixty four years later, Palestinians continue to long for a state of their own. And twenty years after they started negotiation with Israel, the international community still thinks more time is needed while Israel encroaching on the remaining twenty two per cent with high walls and more illegal Jewish-only settlements.
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