California's new vaccination law proves successful as many superstitious Californians are now immuni - Polidicks

[img]http://www.trbimg.com/img-56b00191/turbine/la-ed-0202-vaccination-rates-20160201-001/750/750x422[/img] [i]Peasantry of province of California and subjects of Jerry Brown, protesting against vaccination law, demanding the right to be susceptible to easily preventable illnesses.[/i] [quote]California's new, more stringent law on childhood vaccinations, SB 277, doesn't fully kick in until July 1. But it started protecting the public months ago when parents heard from schools and doctors that they would no longer be able to claim a "personal belief exemption" from immunizations if they wanted to enroll their children. The proof is in the numbers. The percentage of fully vaccinated kindergartners entering the state's schools in 2015-2016 was the highest in a decade: 92.9%, up from 90.4% last year. State health officials say the measles outbreak at Disneyland a year ago might have scared a few parents off the vaccination fence, but SB 277, combined with another bill from 2012 that required parents to talk to a pediatrician before obtaining an exemption, had more to do with it. It's a relief to see an immediate boost in immunization rates after the nasty political battle last year. Legislators faced fierce opposition from a small group of people who believe that vaccinations can harm children and even cause autism. Scientific studies don't support this belief, yet California unwisely granted immunization waivers based on these unfounded fears. The result was a dangerous decrease in vaccination rates in both rural and affluent communities, including Santa Monica and Marin County.[/quote] [url]http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ed-0202-vaccination-rates-20160201-story.html[/url] It's good to see that that outbreak which happened last year at Disneyland has woken up some people to the dangers of not immunizing your children and made them see sense.

Why don't we give antivaxers Polio and see if that changes their minds about immunization? It's obviously what they want if they're trying to encourage outbreaks of preventable disease...

[QUOTE=usaokay;49700162]I hate Jenna Jameson for being one of those people perpetuating the whole movement. My faps to her Playboy vids and her appearance in Red Alert 3 have turned into angry faps. Bitch.[/QUOTE] It's Jenny McCarthy you're thinking of.

That sign that one woman is holding up. Yeah, in risk theres choice, and the choice just so happens to prevent children from getting preventable diseases and causing risk to those who cant vaccinate due to medical reasons.

[QUOTE=Exploders;49700290]That sign that one woman is holding up. Yeah, in risk theres choice, and the choice just so happens to prevent children from getting preventable diseases and causing risk to those who cant vaccinate due to medical reasons.[/QUOTE] Thing is, if you suspect you have a medical condition that makes it actually unsafe to take a vaccine, you're either offered an alternative, or you're allowed to go unvaccinated and your health is protected by herd immunity -- which is provided by [I]everyone who can safely have the vaccination getting it[/I]. If a vaccine is going to kill you because you have a fatal allergy to the transfer medium the vaccine comes in, doctors aren't going to tell you to take the vaccine, you can rely on herd immunity. Anti-vaxxers would destroy that exact protection mechanism by lowering vaccination rates below what's necessary to maintain herd immunity. When that happens, [B]children die[/B]. The "risk" they're talking about is autism, which is a bullshit non-risk invented by a discredited fraud of a doctor who committed multiple ethics violations for his own profit. And even if it [I]did[/I] cause autism in one in 10,000 kids (and it totally fucking does not), autism is not worse than death and way more than 1 in 10,000 kids will die if we have measles/pertussis/polio/mumps/rubella epidemics raging around everywhere. [video=youtube;lhk7-5eBCrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk7-5eBCrs[/video] [QUOTE]On an average day, 430 children – 18 every hour – die of measles worldwide.[/QUOTE] This CDC statistic was from 2013 or 2012 and may not be precisely accurate, but on average, a child dies of measles every three minutes and twenty seconds. Antivaxers, by their actions, will raise this rate.

People yelling "freedom" and "choice" need to realize they are not living alone on an island, but are part of a community.

I'm not even American and I'd love to nuke the American east coast. Wipe it off the damn face of the Earth. So far, nothing but sheer idiocy comes from there. I know the anti-vaxxer movement started in the UK, but it got off the ground and blew out of proportion in the States. I mean for fuck's sake, why would anyone in their right mind listen to a braindead blonde bimbo about what's best for your children instead of a doctor? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Advocating Genocide" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49700457]I'm not even American and I'd love to nuke the American east coast. Wipe it off the damn face of the Earth. So far, nothing but sheer idiocy comes from there. I know the anti-vaxxer movement started in the UK, but it got off the ground and blew out of proportion in the States. I mean for fuck's sake, why would anyone in their right mind listen to a braindead blonde bimbo about what's best for your children instead of a doctor?[/QUOTE] California's on the west coast. Please check your geography before slinging nukes. :v:

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49700457]I'm not even American and I'd love to nuke the American east coast. Wipe it off the damn face of the Earth. So far, nothing but sheer idiocy comes from there. I know the anti-vaxxer movement started in the UK, but it got off the ground and blew out of proportion in the States. I mean for fuck's sake, why would anyone in their right mind listen to a braindead blonde bimbo about what's best for your children instead of a doctor?[/QUOTE] The West coast is where you need to be. The east coast holds a majority of the population.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49700457]I'm not even American and I'd love to nuke the American [B]east coast[/B]. [/QUOTE] thanks for the sentiment prickhead [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49700457]I'm not even American and I'd love to nuke the American east coast. Wipe it off the damn face of the Earth. So far, nothing but sheer idiocy comes from there. I know the anti-vaxxer movement started in the UK, but it got off the ground and blew out of proportion in the States. I mean for fuck's sake, why would anyone in their right mind listen to a braindead blonde bimbo about what's best for your children instead of a doctor?[/QUOTE] Yk that Google, Microsoft, Apple, AMD, NVIDIA, Intel, Tesla, SpaceX, and thousands of other influential companies are on the [U]west[/U] coast, right? Pretty sure nuking it wouldn't go over so well.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49700457]I'm not even American and I'd love to nuke the American east coast. Wipe it off the damn face of the Earth. So far, nothing but sheer idiocy comes from there. I know the anti-vaxxer movement started in the UK, but it got off the ground and blew out of proportion in the States. I mean for fuck's sake, why would anyone in their right mind listen to a braindead blonde bimbo about what's best for your children instead of a doctor?[/QUOTE] If stupidity is grounds for nuking people then you should start with yourself. [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] Heres hoping these numbers continue to rise. Why do people not want to vaccinate their kids? Baseless fear that their kids will get autism or other bigbadboogey diseases? Funny that this mentality in itself causes what they're afraid of.

[QUOTE=Recurracy;49700672]If stupidity is grounds for nuking people then you should start with yourself. [editline]8th February 2016[/editline] Heres hoping these numbers continue to rise. Why do people not want to vaccinate their kids? Baseless fear that their kids will get autism or other bigbadboogey diseases? Funny that this mentality in itself causes what they're afraid of.[/QUOTE] Because some people can't comprehend risk assessment. Yes, there is a risk of something bad happening with vaccination. It is not nearly the amount of risk you are putting your child at by not vaccinating them.

Can we establish this as national policy please?

[QUOTE=Levelog;49700796]Because some people can't comprehend risk assessment. Yes, there is a risk of something bad happening with vaccination. It is not nearly the amount of risk you are putting your child at by not vaccinating them.[/QUOTE] If 1:1000 cases results in a severe side effect, that is far more acceptable than 1:40 you're going to get a disease and die or be permanently disabled.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;49701037]If 1:1000 cases results in a severe side effect, that is far more acceptable than 1:40 you're going to get a disease and die or be permanently disabled.[/QUOTE] Exactly.

[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;49700883]Can we establish this as national policy please?[/QUOTE] I hate to be a downer but this seems to belong within the jurisdiction of the states rather than the feds, seeing as schools are run by the states, and this is about parents no longer being able to claim personal belief exemptions (from immunisations) when enrolling their kids for school. However, something the federal government does (or is currently legislating) down here is they won't let parents claim family tax benefits if their kids don't have a medical reason for not being vaccinated.

"where there's risk there must be choice!" yeah, there's TOTALLY a huge, life-threatening, horrific risk to taking vaccines! there are too many examples of why that logic doesn't work in this situation

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49700331]Thing is, if you suspect you have a medical condition that makes it actually unsafe to take a vaccine, you're either offered an alternative, or you're allowed to go unvaccinated and your health is protected by herd immunity -- which is provided by [I]everyone who can safely have the vaccination getting it[/I]. If a vaccine is going to kill you because you have a fatal allergy to the transfer medium the vaccine comes in, doctors aren't going to tell you to take the vaccine, you can rely on herd immunity. Anti-vaxxers would destroy that exact protection mechanism by lowering vaccination rates below what's necessary to maintain herd immunity. When that happens, [B]children die[/B]. The "risk" they're talking about is autism, which is a bullshit non-risk invented by a discredited fraud of a doctor who committed multiple ethics violations for his own profit. And even if it [I]did[/I] cause autism in one in 10,000 kids (and it totally fucking does not), autism is not worse than death and way more than 1 in 10,000 kids will die if we have measles/pertussis/polio/mumps/rubella epidemics raging around everywhere. This CDC statistic was from 2013 or 2012 and may not be precisely accurate, but on average, a child dies of measles every three minutes and twenty seconds. Antivaxers, by their actions, will raise this rate.[/QUOTE] I was trying to be snarky with that comment of mine, I'm aware of herd immunity and the likes.

[QUOTE=Exploders;49701409]I was trying to be snarky with that comment of mine, I'm aware of herd immunity and the likes.[/QUOTE] tbh it was more of a general PSA than all directly aimed at you. [IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/heart.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;49700457]I'm not even American and I'd love to nuke the American east coast. Wipe it off the damn face of the Earth. So far, nothing but sheer idiocy comes from there. I know the anti-vaxxer movement started in the UK, but it got off the ground and blew out of proportion in the States. I mean for fuck's sake, why would anyone in their right mind listen to a braindead blonde bimbo about what's best for your children instead of a doctor? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Advocating Genocide" - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE] theres a lot more coming out of california you know, like all the tech companies that have their headquarters here whose technology you probably used one way or another to advocate for our genocide tho you could probably argue the silicon valley is a separate entity from the rest of the state if it didnt include berkeley too its just the hippies i swear #freetibet that being said i kinda don't like this state that much either

[QUOTE=AntonioR;49700386]People yelling "freedom" and "choice" need to realize they are not living alone on an island, but are part of a community.[/QUOTE] I don't know how it is in other countries, but American culture is very "selfish" in that people typically aren't very concerned with anyone other than their immediate circle of friends and family. There isn't much sentiment of community or consideration for society as a whole, at least from what I've experienced. It makes me wonder if it's like that in other countries.

[quote=dumb bitch sign]Where there's a risk, there should be choice[/quote] if the choice only affects you, sure. You wanna put yourself at risk feel free, not my place to tell you not to. If the choice causes random kids to get polio, however, then no. No choice. [QUOTE=srobins;49703587]I don't know how it is in other countries, but American culture is very "selfish" in that people typically aren't very concerned with anyone other than their immediate circle of friends and family. There isn't much sentiment of community or consideration for society as a whole, at least from what I've experienced. It makes me wonder if it's like that in other countries.[/QUOTE] I would expect it to be the norm in most countries, as that's how the human brain is wired by default. Not gonna lie, it affects me pretty strongly. I...generally don't care if bad things happen to people I don't know, so long as they don't affect people i care about.