Alex Salmond hails 'triumph of democracy' and urges all to 'accept the verdict of the people'
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5uLsGmNKTI[/media]
[url]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-referendum-alex-salmond-concedes-defeat--but-now-wants-devolution-promised-by-westminster-9742750.html[/url]
[quote]Alex Salmond was cheered by supporters of the Yes campaign in Edinburgh, moments after Better Together stormed to victory to ensure Scotland remains part of the UK.
In an emotional address, the Scottish National Party leader said that he accepted "the democratic verdict of the people" and called on everyone else to "do the same" as he conceded defeat in his fight for Scottish independence.
Scots voted by a margin of around 55 per cent to 45 per cent to stay part of the United Kingdom, a move Mr Salmond described as evidence that the country did not want independence "at this stage".
But he thanked 1.6 million voters for pledging their support for his campaign and called on the leaders of the three main pro-Union parties to "live up" to promises of further devolution.
He said: "It is important to say that our referendum was an agreed and consented process and Scotland has by a majority decided not at this stage to become an independent country.
"I accept that verdict of the people and I call on all of Scotland to follow suit in accepting the democratic verdict of the people of Scotland."[/quote]
Salmond said from the beginning no matter the outcome he'd accept it.
But what does this mean for Piers Morgan?
Making a win out of a loss i.e damage control.
It really has been a triumph - discounting single seats and by-elections, it's the highest turnout in any UK vote ever.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46020688]But what does this mean for Piers Morgan?[/QUOTE]His private jet will disappear over the Bermuda Triangle as the mothership returns to collect its lost crew member.
Despite my disappointment, this vote brought scotland together in a way I have never seen before, thousands cheering in the streets, flags everywhere, I don't consider myself a patriot, but I'm proud of the people I live beside.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;46020688]But what does this mean for Piers Morgan?[/QUOTE]
It means that if he tries anything we're liberating Scotland.
[QUOTE=Faunze;46020729]Despite my disappointment, this vote brought scotland together in a way I have never seen before, thousands cheering in the streets, flags everywhere, I don't consider myself a patriot, but I'm proud of the people I live beside.[/QUOTE]
Just gonna call you out here, your earlier posts were just on the verge of rage over Scotland being denied Independence because of videos that "supposedly" meant that it was rigged.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020747]Just gonna call you out here, your earlier posts were just on the verge of rage over Scotland being denied Independence because of videos that "supposedly" meant that it was rigged.[/QUOTE]
And this is me apologizing. I should have recognized hysteria when I felt it.
[QUOTE=Faunze;46020772]And this is me apologizing.[/QUOTE]
More like pulling a complete 180 as soon as people started calling out your tinhat ideas, as well as your thread in Videos section.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020785]More like pulling a complete 180 as soon as people started calling out your tinhat ideas, as well as your thread in Videos section.[/QUOTE]
"he disagreed with me and now he's not allowed the change his opinion because I want to feel superior to him"
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020785]More like pulling a complete 180 as soon as people started calling out your tinhat ideas, as well as your thread in Videos section.[/QUOTE]
It took a beatdown to calm me down, I'm sad my country didn't take this opportunity, as are a million others, stop beating me while I'm down godamnit I said I'm sorry.
I think "democracy" is kind of an annoying politician buzzword now.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46020798]"he disagreed with me and now he's not allowed the change his opinion because I want to feel superior to him"[/QUOTE]
More like it's bullshit to act angry and outraged over your vote not winning and then changing your mind completely only after getting shat on.
At least give it a day so it can sound believable.
That would be like if I were to now say "I hate gays" and then after a few post of getting shat on I go "Did I say that? I meant they're cool folks" :v:
[QUOTE=JtRtheRiPPeR;46020805]I think "democracy" is kind of an annoying politician buzzword now.[/QUOTE]
I want to see Putin hailing Crimea as a 'triumph for autocracy'
[QUOTE=JtRtheRiPPeR;46020805]I think "democracy" is kind of an annoying politician buzzword now.[/QUOTE]
No it isn't. The democratic process was borne out more or less as it should have here, the majority decided to not secede, even though there were a lot of people who didn't agree with that decision. That's the point of a democracy, the decision agreed on my the majority in a popular vote, no matter how unpopular, is the one that people will have to accept unless they decide to challenge it at another time.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020810]More like it's bullshit to act angry and outraged over your vote not winning and then changing your mind completely only after getting shat on.
At least give it a day so it can sound believable.
That would be like if I were to now say "I hate gays" and then after a few post of getting shat on I go "Did I say that? I meant they're cool folks" :v:[/QUOTE]
No its like saying "I hate gays" then realising the error of your ways and saying "I acted dumb and got caught up with hysteria, and this is me apologizing. I should have recognized hysteria when I felt it."
Peoples opinions change, they say and make irrational decisions when they are worked up or emotional about something. Accepting that someone has made a mistake and is apologising for it is better than forcing them to stick to their guns even tho they have already been proven wrong, just so you can keep on rubbing in their being wrong.
I am angry and offended by my vote not winning, I'm just aware I should have been for humble about it, and posting footage like that, however suspicious, doesn't cut it in the journalism world, which is what i should be sticking to. Don't act like you've never got emotional and said or did something you regret.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;46020818]No it isn't. The democratic process was borne out more or less as it should have here, the majority decided to not secede, even though there were a lot of people who didn't agree with that decision. That's the point of a democracy, the decision agreed on my the majority in a popular vote, no matter how unpopular, is the one that people will have to accept unless they decide to challenge it at another time.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but the problem is that in countries like aren't really democratic enough to be honest with their levels of political corruption, like mine, the word "democracy" only serves as a big, fat lie.
[QUOTE=JtRtheRiPPeR;46020827]Yeah, but the problem is that in countries like aren't really democratic enough to be honest with their levels of political corruption, like mine, the word "democracy" only serves as a big, fat lie.[/QUOTE]
Democracy isn't perfect. It's what we have and what we need to work with, unless you want to try something else out. Believe me, I can empathize with corruption, it's so blatant out here it's become an accepted fact of daily life by almost everyone. People look at you funny if you even mention the possibility of change.
[QUOTE=Faunze;46020820]I am angry and offended by my vote not winning, I'm just aware I should have been for humble about it, and posting footage like that, however suspicious, doesn't cut it in the journalism world, which is what i should be sticking to. Don't act like you've never got emotional and said or did something you regret.[/QUOTE]
Now if it was just you posting your opinion (blunt as it was) on the matter, you would be right, and I would be wrong.
But then again you tried to support your opinion on saying the election was rigged :v:. You don't make those kind of post and then go "lol it's ok now".
[QUOTE=JtRtheRiPPeR;46020805]I think "democracy" is kind of an annoying politician buzzword now.[/QUOTE]
[quote=orwell]The word Fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies "something not desirable"...In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. [b]It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it[/b]: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using the word if it were tied down to any one meaning.[/quote]
It has a definition but it is loosing meaning.
Like "democratic people's republic of Korea"
Like democracy in Russia
Like the US harping about democracy while funding and supporting some real undemocratic persons.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46020855]Now if it was just you posting your opinion (blunt as it was) on the matter, you would be right, and I would be wrong.
But then again you tried to support your opinion on saying the election was rigged :v:. You don't make those kind of post and then go "lol it's ok now".[/QUOTE]
Believe me when I say I was light hearted about it before I had seen the possibility of corruption, and then yes, I lost my shit, and instantly shared the idea. I'm aware alot of the No voters were silent throughout the campaign, which gave the yes voters a massive boost of hope, it seemed like a landslide was about to happen. People all over the country are in disbelief, including myself. So yes I grabbed at straws, thanks for repeatedly pointing that out. Can we move on?
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46020859]democracy is the most corrupt form of government
you cant even marry anime in the us, yet you can in north korea[/QUOTE]
It must be a beautiful death when the last words you hear are "Uguu~" and then you fucking die.
[QUOTE=Faunze;46020881]Believe me when I say I was light hearted about it before I had seen the possibility of corruption, and then yes, I lost my shit, and instantly shared the idea. I'm aware alot of the No voters were silent throughout the campaign, which gave the yes voters a massive boost of hope, it seemed like a landslide was about to happen. People all over the country are in disbelief, including myself. So yes I grabbed at straws, thanks for repeatedly pointing that out. Can we move on?[/QUOTE]
That's kinda standard though. Because the no voters were voting for a status quo of sorts, many felt no need to go to the streets during the campaigning.
The yes voters on the other hand tended to be far more emotionally invested and as such tendded to be louder, they were the side wanting to vote in change.
I can't say I'm not disappointed. Very VERY disappointed. But if that's the will of the general population, then so be it. That's democracy.
I think we've made a grave mistake, and a lot of people you may not know or may never meet in your life may suffer in the coming years as a result of our choice, but I do sincerely hope we make better decisions in future to help everyone around us.
I love this country and all its people, all its quirks, all its banter, all its culture. Let's start making it a better place for everyone, however and whenever we can.
Peace and love everyone. That's the only thing we can guarantee each other.
[QUOTE=FLANANANAGAN;46021648]I can't say I'm not disappointed. Very VERY disappointed. But if that's the will of the general population, then so be it. That's democracy.
I think we've made a grave mistake, and a lot of people you may not know or may never meet in your life may suffer in the coming years as a result of our choice, but I do sincerely hope we make better decisions in future to help everyone around us.
I love this country and all its people, all its quirks, all its banter, all its culture. Let's start making it a better place for everyone, however and whenever we can.
Peace and love everyone. That's the only thing we can guarantee each other.[/QUOTE]
Who exactly are these people who will suffer from Scotland remaining in the United Kingdom?
[QUOTE=angelangel;46021743]Who exactly are these people who will suffer from Scotland remaining in the United Kingdom?[/QUOTE]
Probably the people would make it rich off of deregulating oil once Scotland took it all from britain
[QUOTE=angelangel;46021743]Who exactly are these people who will suffer from Scotland remaining in the United Kingdom?[/QUOTE]
The people who rely on the NHS. In England the headlines are "the NHS is on a cliff edge". In Scotland, it was "Only staying in the union can protect the NHS".
The less fortunate in our society, will be treated far harsher by a conservative government we otherwise wouldn't have. The unemployed, the disabled, etc.
The foreigners, if UKIP gets in a coalition. European citizens here to study. Asylum seekers.
Anyone ever, that is inconvenienced or treated poorly by the future Tory governments is someone who may have lost out here.
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