• Lebanon's unity government collapses as Hezbollah, allies quit
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[QUOTE]Beirut, Lebanon (CNN) -- Members of the powerful Hezbollah movement and its allies brought down Lebanon's unity government Wednesday after resigning from Prime Minister Saad Hariri's Cabinet. Minister of State Adnan Sayyed Hussein turned in his resignation along with 10 members of the Hezbollah-led March 8 alliance, meaning that the threshold needed -- 11 resignations from the 30-member Cabinet -- to collapse the government had been reached. Hariri was meeting with President Barack Obama at the White House as the political crisis erupted in Lebanon. "The efforts by the Hezbollah-led coalition to collapse the Lebanese government only demonstrate their own fear and determination to block the government's ability to conduct its business and advance the aspirations of all of the Lebanese people," Obama said. Hariri next heads to Paris, where he is expected to meet with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Hariri's office said. Lebanon's government has been at an impasse over the U.N.-backed special tribunal's investigation of the assassination of Rafik Hariri, the current premier's father. It is widely expected the tribunal will indict members of Shiite Muslim Hezbollah, which is designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in Doha, Qatar, for a Middle East forum, said the tribunal was on the verge of handing down indictments. "We view what happened today as a transparent effort by those forces inside Lebanon as well as interests outside Lebanon to subvert justice and undermine Lebanon's stability and progress," she said. Hezbollah has blamed Israel for the 2005 bombing that killed Hariri and has pressured the government to reject the tribunal's probe. Opposition member Fadi Abboud said the opposition bloc had been calling for a Cabinet session to discuss the tribunal and met Wednesday to discuss what action to take if their demands were not met. Attempts to resolve the dispute have failed so far. Hezbollah's walkout Wednesday came after a Saudi-Syrian initiative hit a dead end. In a statement issued before the resignations, Hariri said that "despite the developments in the last hours, we will by all means work to keep the doors open for the Lebanese to reach the solutions that ensure stability and calm and preserve national unity." Obama stressed to Hariri the importance of the tribunal's work "as a means to help end the era of political assassinations with impunity in Lebanon." The failure to break the impasse between Hariri's government and Hezbollah has raised fears of a renewal of the sectarian bloodshed that plagued Lebanon in 2008. Rafik Hariri's death stunned the nation and prompted tens of thousands to protest, blaming neighboring Syria for the killing. Syria has always denied the accusations. At the time of the bombing, Syria had immense political influence in Lebanon. A U.N. Security Council resolution demanded Damascus fully cooperate in the investigation. Eventually, the horrific events and the probe led to a complete withdrawal of Syrian troops from Lebanon after 30 years of military presence.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/01/12/lebanon.politics/index.html?hpt=Sbin[/url] Nothing good can come of this, I think...
[quote=Wikipedia]The United States, United Kingdom, Egypt,[6] Israel, Australia, and Canada regard Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, in whole or in part.[7][/quote] 37% of Lebanon's government is made up of terrorists. :downs:
I heard from a friend of mine who understands Lebanon's politics pretty good, that the MP's who left aren't really a part of Hezbollah, but they do somehow support it, and that there are still MP's with a stronger link to Hezbollah who didn't leave the government.
hezbollahs some bad stuff they got there
I sense a revolution coming soon.
[QUOTE=W0w00t;27377025]hezbollahs some bad stuff they got there[/QUOTE] [quote]Hezbollah organizes an extensive social development program and runs hospitals, news services, educational facilities, and encouragement of Nikah mut‘ah.[77][85] One of its established institutions, Jihad Al Binna's Reconstruction Campaign, is responsible for numerous economic and infrastructure development projects in Lebanon.[86] Hezbollah has set up a Martyr's Institute (Al-Shahid Social Association), which guarantees to provide living and education expenses "for the families of fighters who die" in battle.[79] An IRIN news report of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs noted: "Hezbollah not only has armed and political wings - it also boasts an extensive social development program. Hezbollah currently operates at least four hospitals, twelve clinics, twelve schools and two agricultural centres that provide farmers with technical assistance and training. It also has an environmental department and an extensive social assistance program. Medical care is also cheaper than in most of the country's private hospitals and free for Hezbollah members."[77] According to CNN, "Hezbollah did everything that a government should do, from collecting the garbage to running hospitals and repairing schools."[87] In July 2006, during the war with Israel, when there was no running water in Beirut, Hezbollah was arranging supplies around the city. Lebanese Shiites "see Hezbollah as a political movement and a social service provider as much as it is a militia."[87][/quote] :saddowns:
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;27377140]:saddowns:[/QUOTE] then they shoot missiles at israel then israel shoots back then israel dozes some of their settlements and so forth
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;27377140]:saddowns:[/QUOTE] Hitler also brought Germany out of a bad depression, what's your point? [sp]Godwin, I know[/sp]
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;27378212]Hitler also brought Germany out of a bad depression, what's your point? [sp]Godwin, I know[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]Hitler did it by turning Germany into a war machine - that kind of thing cannot last, unfair comparison, Hezbollah would help in genuine ways[/sp] My point is that Hezbollah isn't EVIL MUSLIM COMMIE ARAB SOCIALISTS. [QUOTE=W0w00t;27377540]then they shoot missiles at israel then israel shoots back then israel dozes some of their settlements and so forth[/QUOTE] Just like the brigades =/= Hamas, Al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya =/= Hezbollah.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;27378365][sp]Hitler did it by turning Germany into a war machine - that kind of thing cannot last, unfair comparison, Hezbollah would help in genuine ways[/sp] My point is that Hezbollah isn't EVIL MUSLIM COMMIE ARAB SOCIALISTS. Just like the brigades =/= Hamas, Al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya =/= Hezbollah.[/QUOTE] Nobody is completely evil. The only leader I can think of who has done no good to his country whatsoever is maybe Kim Jong-Il but I really don't know much about him and perhaps he has done something slightly good for north Korea. So basically it's true that Hamas and Hezbollah do some good, but they also do a lot of evil.
I believe that if Hezbollah comes to power because of this, Lebanon will likely become a strictly Shi'ite iranian sattelite state, which as a result will put non Shi'ite leabnese in danger, for example even when they were not in power they massacred Sunnis and also persecuted christens. [editline]13th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;27376814]I heard from a friend of mine who understands Lebanon's politics pretty good, that the MP's who left aren't really a part of Hezbollah, but they do somehow support it, and that there are still MP's with a stronger link to Hezbollah who didn't leave the government.[/QUOTE] No, i heard because Hezbollah pressured MP's who are not part of Hezbollah to resign, they had little support for them, and especially pressured Rafic Hariri's son to resign from political posts.
[QUOTE=Random94;27388169]I believe that if Hezbollah comes to power because of this, Lebanon will likely become a strictly Shi'ite iranian sattelite state, which as a result will put non Shi'ite leabnese in danger, for example even when they were not in power they massacred Sunnis and also persecuted christens. [/QUOTE] Nowadays Hezbollah is very multi-cultural and tolerant, they're also socialist so they can't be an Iranian satellite state. [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;27387804] So basically it's true that Hamas and Hezbollah do some good, but they also do a lot of evil.[/QUOTE] Hamas and Hezbollah socially and politically are perfect, but their armed wing is bad - don't say they, as political parties, do more evil than good.
[QUOTE=ken188;27376729]37% of Lebanon's government is made up of terrorists. :downs:[/QUOTE] in whole or in part
You can't disassociate the "main" groups from their military wings. They're connected. E: Actually what is the argument here - "it's not Hezbollah that's bad, only its military wing, Hezbollah's actually good". No. They're damn-well connected and related, and all Hezbollah. If I tried arguing "no israels fine it's just the IDF", I'd be laughed at. Honestly, the mental backflips some people do in order to support these organisations astounds me.
There is nothing wrong with hezbollahs military wings, Extreme tactics are required to combat extreme evil.
Oh my god I thought that the thread title said "Hellabalooza".
I dislike Hezbollah.
[QUOTE=PEn1s lol;27401130]There is nothing wrong with hezbollahs military wings, Extreme tactics are required to combat extreme evil.[/QUOTE] And extreme tactics are required to combat the extremely innocent.
How the hell could anyone say that Hezbollah as a whole isn't evil. Their leader, Nasrallah, fucking talks to his people through huge TV screens, just look at him: [img]http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.312030.1283527592!/image/3457035355.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_295/3457035355.jpg[/img] [img]http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eJR6yLcyY8CM/439x.jpg[/img] [img]http://medias.lemonde.fr/mmpub/edt/ill/2008/07/17/h_4_ill_1074201_nasrallah.jpg[/img] I don't know about you but when someone does something like that, I just can't think of him as anything but evil.
hahaha i get what you mean shit in that first picture he looks evil as hell esp. w/ the guards on each side [editline]14th January 2011[/editline] mr burns hand gesture doesnt help either
Breen pre-release.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;27406505]How the hell could anyone say that Hezbollah as a whole isn't evil. Their leader, Nasrallah, fucking talks to his people through huge TV screens, just look at him: -imagesnip- I don't know about you but when someone does something like that, I just can't think of him as anything but evil.[/QUOTE] 1984, Hezbollah style.
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;27399759]You can't disassociate the "main" groups from their military wings. They're connected. E: Actually what is the argument here - "it's not Hezbollah that's bad, only its military wing, Hezbollah's actually good". No. They're damn-well connected and related, and all Hezbollah. If I tried arguing "no israels fine it's just the IDF", I'd be laughed at. Honestly, the mental backflips some people do in order to support these organisations astounds me.[/QUOTE] Your argument is invalid since the IDF is not the only reason why Israel is 'evil'.
[QUOTE=PEn1s lol;27401130]There is nothing wrong with hezbollahs military wings, Extreme tactics are required to combat extreme evil.[/QUOTE] How's that gazing into the abyss treating you? [editline]14th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;27406505]How the hell could anyone say that Hezbollah as a whole isn't evil. Their leader, Nasrallah, fucking talks to his people through huge TV screens, just look at him: [img_thumb]http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.312030.1283527592!/image/3457035355.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_295/3457035355.jpg[/img_thumb] [/QUOTE] [img]http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1381/09580767.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;27398019]Nowadays Hezbollah is very multi-cultural and tolerant, they're also socialist so they can't be an Iranian satellite state.[/QUOTE] They are not, also Iran supports them with weapons and the Iranian government supports them, otherwise how come Ahmedinijad was welcomed in lebanon by massive numbers of shia, Hezzbolah controls the Shia of Lebanon and have a pro Iranian policy.
[QUOTE=Random94;27406892]They are not, also Iran supports them with weapons and the Iranian government supports them, otherwise how come Ahmedinijad was welcomed in lebanon by massive numbers of shia, Hezzbolah controls the Shia of Lebanon and have a pro Iranian policy.[/QUOTE] Are you like one of those Sunni Arabs that see Shi'ites and Persians inferior?
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;27406505]How the hell could anyone say that Hezbollah as a whole isn't evil. Their leader, Nasrallah, fucking talks to his people through huge TV screens, just look at him: [img_thumb]http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.312030.1283527592!/image/3457035355.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_295/3457035355.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eJR6yLcyY8CM/439x.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://medias.lemonde.fr/mmpub/edt/ill/2008/07/17/h_4_ill_1074201_nasrallah.jpg[/img_thumb] I don't know about you but when someone does something like that, I just can't think of him as anything but evil.[/QUOTE] Lol, this is the first time i agreed with what you said.
[QUOTE=Random94;27406911]Lol, this is the first time i agreed with what you said.[/QUOTE] He was aiming for a joke, it's to prevent assassinations.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;27406904]Are you like one of those Sunni Arabs that see Shi'ites and Persians inferior?[/QUOTE] No im not saying anything like that but what im saying is that Hezbollah are manipulating the Shia of lebanon only for accomplishing their political goals by using faith.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;27406632]Your argument is invalid since the IDF is not the only reason why Israel is 'evil'.[/QUOTE] My example is invalid, if anything. Although I'd see it invalid probably in a different manner to you - you think they're BOTH evil. I think neither are evil. My argument stands. E: I was actually under the impression that the "Islamic Revolution" actually aimed for an eventual breakdown of the Sunni/Shi'ite barrier into absolute Islamic worship?
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