Reuters Data Dive: The emotional cost of the 2016 election - Polidicks

[quote]If you thought the campaigns of Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton had unprecedented amounts of rancor, well, the voters took that rancor into their own homes. Sixteen percent said they have stopped talking to a family member or friend because of the election - up marginally from 15 percent. That edged higher, to 22 percent, among those who voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton. Overall, 13 percent of respondents said they had ended a relationship with a family member or close friend over the election, compared to 12 percent in October. On the other hand, 21 percent said they became friends with someone they did not know because of the election, though the poll question did not ask respondents to specify if the friendship was with someone from a different party. [/quote] [t]http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/rngs/USA-TRUMP/010031N23SL/USA-TRUMP-RELATIONSHIPS.jpg[/t] Methodology in Source [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-datadive-election-idUSKBN15M1YC[/url] Related article: [quote]Burning passions over Donald Trump's presidency are taking a personal toll on both sides of the political divide. For Gayle McCormick, it is particularly wrenching: she has separated from her husband of 22 years. The retired California prison guard, a self-described "Democrat leaning toward socialist," was stunned when her husband casually mentioned during a lunch with friends last year that he planned to vote for Trump – a revelation she described as a "deal breaker." "It totally undid me that he could vote for Trump," said McCormick, 73, who had not thought of leaving the conservative Republican before but felt "betrayed" by his support for Trump. "I felt like I had been fooling myself," she said. "It opened up areas between us I had not faced before. I realized how far I had gone in my life to accept things I would have never accepted when I was younger." [/quote] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-relationships-insight-idUSKBN15M13L[/url]

[quote=Tudd]That edged higher, to 22 percent, among those who voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton.[/quote] So much for that much preached tolerance, wow.

[QUOTE=nVidia;51790836]So much for that much preached tolerance, wow.[/QUOTE] It's almost as if Trump supporters tend to have more extreme, alienating views. Also if you support an intolerant candidate don't expect any tolerance from the people he's going to fuck over.

[quote=article] "Once people found out I had voted for Trump the stuff started flying," said William Lomey, 64, a retired cop in Philadelphia who no longer speaks with a friend he grew up with after they clashed on Facebook over the election. "I questioned him on a few things, he didn't like it, he blew up and left me a nasty message and we haven't talked since." He said his friend is gay and worries about Trump's sometimes demeaning campaign rhetoric about minority groups including Muslims, Hispanics, immigrants and the disabled. "I think people are getting too wound up," Lomey said.[/quote] Way to completely disregard a friend's concerns because you don't personally share them. :hammered: [QUOTE=nVidia;51790836]So much for that much preached tolerance, wow.[/QUOTE] You can't expect people to tolerate hateful views. Generally tolerance is accepting things like religion, sexual orientation, or fiscal beliefs. Not racism, sexism, and xenophobia.

[QUOTE=nVidia;51790836]So much for that much preached tolerance, wow.[/QUOTE] I have never seen a single case where this is a valid argument. The whole idea behind the tolerance/acceptance movement is that you tolerate non-negative behaviors, like homosexuality, and not destructive behaviors, like rape. Nobody's saying we should tolerate rapists, except for maybe really stupid rapists. Also, there's that whole thing where Trump supporters tend to be extremely vocal and not given to civil discussion. That behavior is certainly not limited to a single group, but I personally don't spend a lot of time around any of them because they're irritating.

Yeah, I ended a friendship with a Trump supporter because they began to personally attack me for my marriage. If you use this poll to whine about "so-called liberal tolerance" you're probably missing a fucking huge amount of context.

[QUOTE=El Periodista;51790972]Nobody's saying we should tolerate rapists, except for maybe really stupid rapists.[/QUOTE] Have you seen Germany or Sweden lately?

[QUOTE=CanUBe;51790909]It's almost as if Trump supporters tend to have more extreme, alienating views. Also if you support an intolerant candidate don't expect any tolerance from the people he's going to fuck over.[/QUOTE] My sister voted for Trump. I don't support him myself but at the end of the day I still love her. She's still human, still my sister, and still an American. Why should I be intolerant to the point of cutting off ties from somebody just because they think differently than me?

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51790990]Have you seen Germany or Sweden lately?[/QUOTE] Nice racism dude. Btw they're not an army of rapists. [b]e:[/b] If anybody isn't sure what he's getting at he's talking about migrants/refugees.

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51790990]Have you seen Germany or Sweden lately?[/QUOTE] Woooow. Okay.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51790993]Nice racism dude.[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you're saying I'm racist, or you're joking about how crimes have been covered up because publishing them would be racist. If it's the first - you know what code 291 is right?

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51791005] If it's the first - you know what code 291 is right?[/QUOTE] Something exclusively peddled by infowars and alt-right rags?

[QUOTE=X6ZioN6X;51790991]My sister voted for Trump. I don't support him myself but at the end of the day I still love her. She's still human, still my sister, and still an American. Why should I be intolerant to the point of cutting off ties from somebody just because they think differently than me?[/QUOTE] I mean, I don't know, maybe? It depends on how terrible your sister is, doesn't it? If your sister's going around spewing racist, homophobic rhetoric like the bigots over on /r/The_Donald, maybe detaching wouldn't be a terrible idea. On the other hand, if she's a normal, functioning human being, and just happens to have voted for Trump, that's fine. I don't necessarily fault GOP voters for voting for their party's candidate. For a lot of people, that's the only option, misguided as it may be. A lot of my family's that way. None of them really love Trump, but he was the candidate they got, so they voted for him. I think that's more of a flaw in the system than a personal one.

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51790990][QUOTE=El Periodista;51790972]Nobody's saying we should tolerate rapists, except for maybe really stupid rapists.[/QUOTE] Have you seen Germany or Sweden lately?[/QUOTE] :huh: Seriously, what are you even getting at?

I've kinda stopped going to a Skype chat that some of my friends hang out in because one of the trump supporter friends therein does nothing but spam /pol/ memes and news stories about liberals doing stupid shit since the election. I honestly do tend to try and make a point about continuing to associate with people who don't necessarily share my views, but there's a point where coming home to find 20 waiting messages about "chimp-outs" and "I need fascism because..." and the like gets tiresome. Sometimes people are just fucking odious about their political opinions.

I've been blocked by two people for political views. And people I've hated for a passion beforehand have reunited under a collective rage at our new president. It's a shame, really.

[QUOTE=El Periodista;51791050]I mean, I don't know, maybe? It depends on how terrible your sister is, doesn't it? If your sister's going around spewing racist, homophobic rhetoric like the bigots over on /r/The_Donald, maybe detaching wouldn't be a terrible idea. On the other hand, if she's a normal, functioning human being, and just happens to have voted for Trump, that's fine. I don't necessarily fault GOP voters for voting for their party's candidate. For a lot of people, that's the only option, misguided as it may be. A lot of my family's that way. None of them really love Trump, but he was the candidate they got, so they voted for him. I think that's more of a flaw in the system than a personal one.[/QUOTE] For the most part she's normal. Maybe a hint of racism and islamophobia. Now my dad on the other hand... He was driving me to work one time because my car was broken down, he started spewing some really racist shit. It was bad enough for me to get out of the car and walk the rest of the way

[QUOTE=CanUBe;51790909]It's almost as if Trump supporters tend to have more extreme, alienating views. Also if you support an intolerant candidate don't expect any tolerance from the people he's going to fuck over.[/QUOTE] And this right here is one of the reasons why trump won. Keep it up. [QUOTE=El Periodista;51790972]Also, there's that whole thing where Trump supporters tend to be extremely vocal and not given to civil discussion. That behavior is certainly not limited to a single group, but I personally don't spend a lot of time around any of them because they're irritating.[/QUOTE] That's one of the most delusional statements I've heard. Is there any doubt, after the inauguration as to which side the actual hate, violence and outright disrespect is coming from?

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51791074]Memes Dont you know there is no penalty for rape in this country if your skin color is darker than a certain shade? Read the criminal code sometime.[/QUOTE] I suppose my question was answered in [QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51791005]I can't tell if you're saying I'm racist, or you're joking about how crimes have been covered up because publishing them would be racist. If it's the first - you know what code 291 is right?[/QUOTE]. Here's some useful advice to Sheer Visor: People lie on the Internet. Normally it's pretty easy to figure out what's actually going on, but that means you have to look into things for five minutes before you take them at face value.

[QUOTE=X6ZioN6X;51791070]For the most part she's normal. Maybe a hint of racism and islamophobia. Now my dad on the other hand... He was driving me to work one time because my car was broken down, he started spewing some really racist shit. It was bad enough for me to get out of the car and walk the rest of the way[/QUOTE] I've known people like that. I took them to the local falafel shop (There's a video about the owner, "Yassin Falafel," made by Jack Dorsey of Twitter and Square). It changed their attitudes a fair bit. The biggest contributing factor to Islamophobia, or any racism, is only receiving information about those people from media frames. If you actually get to talking to people, you realize they're all just people, same as any of us. But if you never meet anyone from the Middle East, well... You're stuck with what you learn from the occasional terrorism coverage or Fox News report.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51791074]Memes Dont you know there is no penalty for rape in this country if your skin color is darker than a certain shade? Read the criminal code sometime.[/QUOTE] Wat

[QUOTE=nVidia;51791085]And this right here is one of the reasons why trump won. Keep it up.[/QUOTE] No it didn't.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51791022]Something exclusively peddled by infowars and alt-right rags?[/QUOTE] And the Swedish press, yes. Like you can deny that these issues are not a thing ang like the Swedish/German governments call any attempt to show light on it "racist against refugees" but its [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime_in_Germany"]common enough to have its own fucking wikipedia page.[/URL] Not only are the incidents documented but so are the botched cover ups although most sources are in their native tounge (I'm not too great at reading German). You can either be incredibly racist and go "that's how they are" and cover it up from going to the media, or you can provide education and other tools to migrants to better integrate them in to our society.

[QUOTE=nVidia;51791085]And this right here is one of the reasons why trump won. Keep it up.[/QUOTE] Actually, it's not... Trump won because more than half the registered Democrat voters hated Clinton. A lot. And Democrats, when they don't like a candidate, don't vote. This is all documented. I can find sources if you'd like.

America needs to have an election every year, it's been so long since the last one it starts to hurt even with lube.

[QUOTE=nVidia;51791085]And this right here is one of the reasons why trump won. Keep it up. [/QUOTE] this is my least favorite 2017 meme can we get back to the lazytown guy

[QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51791106]And the Swedish press, yes.[/QUOTE] Seeing a suspicious lack of examples here. Haven't seen anything about this code 291 you mention from any reputable sources either. [QUOTE=Sheer Visor;51791106]Like you can deny that these issues are not a thing ang like the Swedish/German governments call any attempt to show light on it "racist against refugees" but its common enough to have its own fucking wikipedia page.[/QUOTE] I don't think anybody denies a small percentage of people who immigrate to Germany commit crimes but I don't know what you're trying to prove here. [quote=That Wikipedia page you linked] While some studies show a correlation between immigrant populations in Germany and crime,[1] most social studies on the subject have shown little correlation between migrants and crime in Germany.[2][3] In May 2016, Politifact deemed Donald Trump's statement that "Germany "is crime-riddled right now" because of migration to Europe" as mostly false.[4] The fact-checker noted that Germany's crime rate, particularly the violent crime rate, is far lower than in the United States, and that data suggest that the crime rate of the average refugee is lower than that of the average German.[4][/quote]

Sorry that I don't like viewpoints that involve mindlessly shitting on people like me. [editline]7th February 2017[/editline] "THE TOLERANT LEFT" come back when the right wing doesn't shit on LGBT, black people, poor people, medically needy people and then we can talk about "tolerance". Not talking about Trump, this applies to republicans in general.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51791134]Also, Trump supports LGBT marriage[/QUOTE] Trump [I]SAYS [/I]he supports LGBT marriage. So far he's done the exact opposite in terms of actions.

[QUOTE=Super Muffin;51791146]Seeing a suspicious lack of examples here. I don't think anybody denies a small percentage of people who immigrate to Germany commit crimes but I don't know what you're trying to prove here.[/QUOTE] I don't speak Swedish. It's second hand info from a Swedish friend so take it for what you will. I personally believe him because he's usually hard left, and was hard left until the shit broke. Germany's shit is much more documented in English though. Like the mass new years eve rapes that were not published in the media at all for 4-5 days, and only got media coverage because of 4-5 days of solid and consistent social media outrage. Thankfully the German government responded appropriately once the ruse was over, amending laws to better define sexual assault and making it easier to deport non-citizens if they're charged with sex crimes. Also I somehow don't believe you read the entire thing and replied in 4 minutes though :^)