Philippine rebels might behead two German hostages, if Germany doesn't stay out US-led fight against - Polidicks

[QUOTE]The Philippines' Abu Sayyaf group has threatened to kill two German hostages unless Berlin pays ransom within 15 days, and stops supporting the US-led military campaign against the group that calls itself Islamic State. The Islamist Abu Sayyaf group demanded 250m pesos ($5.6mn) for the Germans' release by October 11, and it publicly sided with the Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (ISIL), which was targeted this week in hundreds of air strikes by a [B][URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/09/fresh-us-air-strikes-hit-isil-syria-2014924135632679984.html"]coalition of Arab countries[/URL] [/B]in the US-driven effort. Large parts of Iraq and Syria have been taken over by the Islamic State group, which has proclaimed a "caliphate" in the region. Abu Sayyaf called on Germany to "stop supporting America in the killing of our Muslim brothers in Iraq and the Levant in general, and the mujahidin of the Islamic State in particular", according to the US monitoring group SITE, which tracks the movement and communications of armed Islamist groups. Germany has ruled out taking part in air strikes against ISIL. But, breaking a post-WWII policy of not exporting weapons into war zones and generally staying out of foreign military engagements, the government agreed to send weapons to Kurdish fighters and to send a squad of 40 paratroopers to train Kurdish fighters. Senior Philippine military and intelligence officials said the German government and the hostages' family had been negotiating with the Abu Sayyaf faction holding the hostages. The family said they were not able to provide the group's initial ransom demand of $5.6mn, according to the officials. The military chief in the western command that has jurisdiction over the southern island of Jolo, Lieutenant General Rustico Guerrero, on Thursday confirmed the hostages were being held by the Abu Sayyaf, but said the government would not be intimidated. "They are taking advantage of the international attention ISIS is getting so that the ransom would increase. All their activities are criminal in nature," Guerrero told reporters. Sawsan Chebli, a spokeswoman from the German foreign ministry, said the government was aware of the threat, adding Germany's efforts in regards to ISIL would not change. "Threats are not an appropriate way to influence our policy towards Syria and Iraq," she told Al Jazeera. Foreign ministry officials were continuing "efforts to release the Germans", Chebli said, declining to comment on a possible ransom payment. "We have an emergency task force that will extensively deal with the question how a release of the hostages can be achieved. But I cannot disclose details at this point." Photos of the two hostages have circulated online for months. Abu Sayyaf released an image in August that showed the two hostages surrounded by masked fighters - one of whom held a machete near Okonek's head. Another photo shows the hostages kneeling in front of a German flag, surrounded by men with machine guns. Zachary Abuza, a Southeast Asia politics and security analyst and author of the book [I]Militant Islam in Southeast Asia,[/I] called Abu Sayyaf's announcement an "attempt to bolster their Islamist credentials".[TABLE="class: in-article-item, width: 220"] [TR] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: caption"]Map: T[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] "This gives them an opportunity to display their jihadist street creed," Abuza said. "At the very least, the threat of execution could lead to some or all of the $5.6 million ransom that they are seeking." Based on [B][URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2009/04/20094124456450166.html"]past hostage-taking activities[/URL][/B] by Abu Sayyaf, military officials said the group will press ahead with their ransom demand, using the threat of beheading to prompt the family into agreeing to pay. Philippine authorities said the two German hostages are believed to be held by an Abu Sayyaf faction led by the commander Hatib Hajan Sawadjaan in the mountainous town of Patikul, on the Jolo islands in Sulu province - considered an Abu Sayyaf stronghold. Abu Sayyaf is split into different factions and the group does not have a centralised leadership. Abu Sayyaf group (ASG), which mainly operates in the predominantly Muslim southern Philippines, wants to establish an independent Islamic state in western Mindanao and the Sulu archipelago. According to Abuza, the group only has a few hundred members and is a network of gangs, with little coordination. Abuza said Abu Sayyaf, long regarded as a bandit group, uses ISIL's prominence as leverage to get its demands met. He called the group's announcement to ally with ISIL "more of a publicity stunt". "The ASG has always tried to link up their movement with the prevailing international jihadist movement. They see the air strikes as an opportunity to find common cause with their co-religionists, and to put their movement back in the limelight." [B]Abductions and beheadings [/B] Abu Sayyaf is considered a "foreign terrorist" organisation by the US, and it has carried out kidnappings,[B][URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2009/11/200911933934578674.html"]beheadings[/URL][/B] and bombings. In 2002, the US launched a six-month military campaign, supporting the Philippine military, to wipe out the group. In 2001, its fighters beheaded American citizen Guillermo Sobero, who was abducted from an island resort in Palawan, the same province in which the two German hostages were kidnapped in April. The group had threatened to kill him unless the Philippine government called off its military operation against it. Abu Sayyaf also claimed responsibility for a [B][URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2007/01/2008525122328208652.html"]ferry bombing[/URL][/B] in Manila in 2004, in which 116 people were killed. "Every time the government predicts the death of the ASG, it rebounds," Abuza said. "Sometimes it simply has a successful spate of kidnappings, which allow it to recruit and rearm." This is not the first time that Abu Sayyaf has demanded ransom for kidnapped foreigners. In 2000, the group kidnapped 21 people from a Malaysian resort, 10 of whom were Westerners including the German family. They were released after having been held in the jungle on Jolo for three months. Abuza said Abu Sayyaf has at least two other European hostages - a Dutch and a Swiss - as well as one Japanese and several Chinese citizens. Over the last decade, the group has mainly focused on kidnapping locals and demanding ransom for them, called a "board and lodging fee." Although the US and UK have a strict no-ransom policy, other European nations, including Germany, reportedly have paid money to free their citizens from armed groups in the past.[/quote] [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/09/will-philippine-rebels-behead-german-hostage-201492691512455783.html[/url]

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what the fuck philippines?

I thought Islam was the religion of peace? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost / Trolling / Snipe" - Swebonny))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46085697]I thought Islam was the religion of peace?[/QUOTE] I thought people established that snarky comments like these are fucking stupid?

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46085697]I thought Islam was the religion of peace?[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Peace[/url]

No one ever wants deism.

[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;46085711]I thought people established that snarky comments like these are fucking stupid?[/QUOTE] So is getting this shitter shattered about it

[QUOTE=Omilinon;46085717][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_of_Peace[/url][/QUOTE] RUH ROH [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_in_Islamic_philosophy[/url] [url]http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,175987,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.islamforpeace.org/[/url]

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46085745]RUH ROH [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_in_Islamic_philosophy[/url] [url]http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,175987,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.islamforpeace.org/[/url][/QUOTE] And yet they can't stop beheading people or raping children.

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46085697]I thought Islam was the religion of peace?[/QUOTE] Can we fucking stop with this shit? Its stupid, and we're not gonna go off topic. I can go on about every other religion with this 'religion of peace' shit. Stop, we're not doing this.

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;46085781]Can we fucking stop with this shit? Its stupid, and we're not gonna go off topic. I can go on about every other religion with this 'religion of peace' shit. Stop, we're not doing this.[/QUOTE] Excuse me, but it seems to have some relevance given the current global movement.

really the only thing that needs to be said about islam or any religion in general is that they tend to promote peace or something of the kind but people take it to extremes and either misinterpret the material and twist it to suit their own goals (i.e. WBC or ISIS or whatever) or they just get to a position of power and then just kind of stop caring or think they deserve it beause of all the good work they've done (i.e. priests boning children) in general i think it's a reasonable assumption to say that people usually want to just be nice and be nice to each other, but sometimes people interpret messages of love and tolerance as messages of hate and then do bad things with them

[QUOTE=Ignhelper;46085781]Can we fucking stop with this shit? Its stupid, and we're not gonna go off topic. I can go on about every other religion with this 'religion of peace' shit. Stop, we're not doing this.[/QUOTE] Agreed, there is a time and place for snarky comments. Anyway, it's shit like this that disgusts and embarrasses me to be part of a sentient species that is in most cases incapable of uniting for the greater good when it is clear that one group is operating in a way that hinders our development as a whole.

[QUOTE=Remedial Math;46085821]really the only thing that needs to be said about islam or any religion in general is that they tend to promote peace or something of the kind but people take it to extremes and either misinterpret the material and twist it to suit their own goals (i.e. WBC or ISIS or whatever) or they just get to a position of power and then just kind of stop caring or think they deserve it beause of all the good work they've done (i.e. priests boning children) in general i think it's a reasonable assumption to say that people usually want to just be nice and be nice to each other, but sometimes people interpret messages of love and tolerance as messages of hate and then do bad things with them[/QUOTE] That's simply not true. Have you read the Quran? If not, where are you coming up with this? Seriously, if you haven't read the Quran, how can you say that Islam is a religion of peace? How can you claim to know anything about it?

[QUOTE=Kumari24;46085678]what the fuck philippines?[/QUOTE] The Philippines has been dealing with Muslim extremists for years, this kind of behavior shouldn't be a surprise

Is it bad that I thought of that one mission in Condition Zero Deleted Scenes involving GSG 9 and the German nationals?

[QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;46085900]The Philippines has been dealing with Muslim extremists for years, this kind of behavior shouldn't be a surprise[/QUOTE] They have a rather inefficient military, plus, the rebels operate quite remotely.

Islamist Rebels have a stronghold in the Philippines? What the bloody fuck?

[url]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/[/url] Best site

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46085697]I thought Islam was the religion of peace?[/QUOTE] If you honestly believe that these extremists are representative of Islam as a whole, you are no more ignorant than they are.

[QUOTE=Exho;46086163]If you honestly believe that these extremists are representative of Islam as a whole, you are no more ignorant than they are.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ISvsQuran.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Explosions;46085849]That's simply not true. Have you read the Quran? If not, where are you coming up with this? Seriously, if you haven't read the Quran, how can you say that Islam is a religion of peace? How can you claim to know anything about it?[/QUOTE] Have [I]you[/I] read the Quran? [QUOTE=Mythofpeas;46086169][IMG]http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ISvsQuran.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Context is key.

[QUOTE=Fayez;46086211]Have [I]you[/I] read the Quran? Context is key.[/QUOTE] lol context, which is the correct context in which it is merciful to behead and rape people? You make me sick

[QUOTE=Fayez;46086211] Context is key.[/QUOTE] What was the context?

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;46086229]What was the context?[/QUOTE] Don't bother asking, it's not like he's going to answer. I saw him backpedal out of similar arguments, first he was asking for quotes from Quran.com then when someone provided him with all the quotes he just never replied, lol.

[QUOTE=Mythofpeas;46086228]lol context, which is the correct context in which it is merciful to behead and rape people? You make me sick[/QUOTE] Have you even read the Quran? [QUOTE=Mythofpeas;46086280]Don't bother asking, it's not like he's going to answer. I saw him backpedal out of similar arguments, first he was asking for quotes from Quran.com then when someone provided him with all the quotes he just never replied, lol.[/QUOTE] Welcome back Shreddinger, do you enjoy the perma bans you keep getting?

Okay guys this is starting to go into shitpost territory. Back to the topic. They better not cave. It's terrible to have people beheaded, but it's even more terrible to have to go through more of these. If we keep giving these people what they want, they will just keep on capturing more and more people.

[QUOTE=Fayez;46086301]Have you even read the Quran?[/QUOTE] I've read it too many times, I was raised Muslim from birth. Facepunch is actually banned in my country for being un-Islamic. I bet I know the Qur'an better than you ever will. Stop changing the subject and answer the question, what is the context?

What did I say about going off topic? This isn't about how Islam is a religion of peace or not, if you want, go to the debates forum dammit.