[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJQ4bwGPRuk[/media]
He is as outspoken as ever, but it is a good listen.
You may discuss if you like, just try not to accidentally move the debate away from what the video is covering, because I know this can become quite a broad discussion.
even more valid points.
I like this man.
Pat Condell is a fucking idiot.
No, he's a smart man and is right. Islam is demanding too much. I said it once and I will say it again, try building a church in the east. You will be lynched or stoned in no time.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;24500120]No, he's a smart man and is right. Islam is demanding too much. I said it once and I will say it again, try building a church in the east. You will be lynched or stoned in no time.[/QUOTE]
yeah but were in the fucking west, and we have to be better then the east.
just cause they're doing it dosn't make it right or justify we can do it, you have the logic of a 6 year old sir.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;24500120]No, he's a smart man and is right. Islam is demanding too much. I said it once and I will say it again, try building a church in the east. You will be lynched or stoned in no time.[/QUOTE]
I feel like that is more of the issue. I'm not religious, but you would never be able to build a Church of Christ in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, they would not tolerate it. Something tells me that we should not tolerate the intolerant in this particular situation.
I like the messages he tries to convey but I just can't stand the sarcasm that he stuffs into his all his videos.
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Wait, I thought he was arguing the other side. Forget what I said above. He's an idiot.
[QUOTE=Hostel;24500223]I feel like that is more of the issue. I'm not religious, but you would never be able to build a Church of Christ in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, they would not tolerate it. Something tells me that we should not tolerate the intolerant in this particular situation.[/QUOTE]
Even if you disagree with it morally, dosn't mean its wrong.
They have the right, remember RIGHTS>MORALS.
so no matter how much you hate, how much you cry, it is legally okay for them to build there, stopping them because of their religion is being discriminative, even if you don't like the religion it is STILL discriminative.
I am a atheist, and most of FP is, but it seems most of you kids really feel the need to bash other religions and revoke them their rights
I don't agree with him about the ground zero mosque at all. It's not really at ground zero, and it's not really a mosque.
He makes valid points but I still disagree.
It's not a matter of if they should or shouldn't, it's a matter of if they can, and they can.
Plus, he makes too many assumptions about the intent of the developers.
"Because the mosque is at the top two floors it's because they want to look over the conquested land" yupp I see no evidence for that but k.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;24500323]Even if you disagree with it morally, dosn't mean its wrong.
They have the right, remember RIGHTS>MORALS.
so no matter how much you hate, how much you cry, it is legally okay for them to build there, stopping them because of their religion is being discriminative, even if you don't like the religion it is STILL discriminative.
I am a atheist, and most of FP is, but it seems most of you kids really feel the need to bash other religions and revoke them their rights[/QUOTE]
Keep the "you kids" out of this please. It's like what Pat said, even though we have the right to bear arms, we still need a license and even then we may not be able to own a gun or carry it anywhere. So, when does something become so provocative and outspoken that not even our first amendment will protect it?
[QUOTE=Appox;24500420]I don't agree with him about the ground zero mosque at all. It's not really at ground zero, and it's not really a mosque.[/QUOTE]
Its just people being too sensitive and intolerant.
You have to tolerate the intolerant.
it's a community center
[QUOTE=Hostel;24500453]Keep the "you kids" out of this. It's like what Pat said, even though we have the right to bear arms, we still still a license and even then we may not be able to own a gun or carry it anywhere. So, we does something become so provocative and outspoken that not even our first amendment will protect it?[/QUOTE]
what the flying fuck did you just say? that dosn't even make sense, "we stil still a license"? what the hell...
and thats a horrible analogy comparing the right to carry a gun and regulate it to religiouse intolrance.
[QUOTE=plazzydan;24500460]it's a community center[/QUOTE]
Actually, before this controversy started, a year earlier when I was in civics, I was taught that a Mosque is a community center with prayer room and place of worship. It sounds more like a play on words if you say "it's a community center".
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;24500491]what the flying fuck did you just say? that dosn't even make sense, "we stil still a license"? what the hell...
and thats a horrible analogy comparing the right to carry a gun and regulate it to religiouse intolrance.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me for that, I have a writing disorder and I repeat words sometimes, I meant "we still need a license".
This man is a cretin and a bigot.
It's people like this that make me lose faith in humanity.
[QUOTE=Flon22;24500624]This man is a cretin and a bigot.
It's people like this that make me lose faith in humanity.[/QUOTE]
He's a bigot of free speech if that is what you mean. I would recommend watching his earliest videos, he covers free speech very well. He actually says that if something goes against free speech, he will be against it.
[QUOTE=Hostel;24500223]I feel like that is more of the issue. I'm not religious, but you would never be able to build a Church of Christ in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia, they would not tolerate it. Something tells me that [b]we should not tolerate the intolerant in this particular situation.[/b][/QUOTE]
So you're implying that all muslims are by default intolerant. The muslims in New York aren't the muslims in the Middle East.
[QUOTE=Flon22;24500624]This man is a cretin and a bigot.
It's people like this that make me lose faith in humanity.[/QUOTE]
He's a very intelligent man, and he doesn't discriminate against anyone- his distaste and opposition towards islam and the like is based around their actions politically, he never attacks their beliefs, only their actions.
You really should watch more of his videos, he explains it all quite well. I still disagree with him on this one issue, but his points and statements are always in retaliation to actions of religious organizations.
While he does generalize, he does it in a rational way- if you are part of a religion, regardless of what you believe personally, your religion states this and that, therefore it is true for all members of it, and if you do not believe in such, you are not such, and if you still identify as such, then you deserve the same treatment.
[QUOTE=dirty harry;24500805]So you're implying that all muslims are by default intolerant. The muslims in New York aren't the muslims in the Middle East.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, it isn't New York Muslims directing the development of this building. The developer is man who supports Sharia Law and would love to see a double standard justice system appear in New York any day.
By the way, I have been reading the Quran (english translation, which is claimed not to be as accurate, but the same could go for the Holy Bible) and by the looks of it, these "New York Muslims" are just cherry picking what they like and don't like out of their religion.
"Bad Faith"? All faith is bad. All it's ever brought is war and alienation.
[QUOTE=GummyPanties;24500976]"Bad Faith"? All faith is bad. All it's ever brought is war and alienation.[/QUOTE]
"Religious faith" can, and is often bad, but there are different forms of faith. For example, I have faith in the human race.
[QUOTE=Detective P;24500833]He's a very intelligent man, and he doesn't discriminate against anyone- his distaste and opposition towards islam and the like is based around their actions politically, he never attacks their beliefs, only their actions.
You really should watch more of his videos, he explains it all quite well. I still disagree with him on this one issue, but his points and statements are always in retaliation to actions of religious organizations.
While he does generalize, he does it in a rational way- if you are part of a religion, regardless of what you believe personally, your religion states this and that, therefore it is true for all members of it, and if you do not believe in such, you are not such, and if you still identify as such, then you deserve the same treatment.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, everyone discriminates, for right reasons or wrong. We are all bigots of something as well.
once again, pat condell demonstrates his lack of understanding in the first couple of seconds
this is becoming tiring, i'm so glad i'm not a muslim, it must be hard when people pin you as a terrorist backing a conspiracy
[QUOTE=Hostel;24500894]Unfortunately, it isn't New York Muslims directing the development of this building. The developer is man who supports Sharia Law and would love to see a double standard justice system appear in New York any day.
By the way, I have been reading the Quaran (english translation, which is claimed not to be as accurate, but the same could go for the Holy Bible) and by the looks of it, these "New York Muslims" are just cherry picking what they like and don't like out of their religion.[/QUOTE]
Quoted for approval.
[QUOTE=Hostel;24500894]Unfortunately, it isn't New York Muslims directing the development of this building.[/QUOTE]
They'll be using it, though.
And as for the part about cherry picking parts of their religion - by the sound of what you've been saying, you would be in favour of them not following certain parts of their religion anyway. You obviously don't support Shariah law yourself (neither do I), so that should be a good thing in your eyes.
[QUOTE=Hostel;24501018]
To be fair, everyone discriminates, for right reasons or wrong. We are all bigots of something as well.[/QUOTE]
True. I just meant that he doesn't discriminate unfairly towards Muslims in particular.
Stopped watching at "european politicians".
What an idiot.
[QUOTE=dirty harry;24501112]They'll be using it, though.
And as for the part about cherry picking parts of their religion - by the sound of what you've been saying, you would be in favour of them not following certain parts of their religion anyway. You obviously don't support Shariah law yourself (neither do I), so that should be a good thing in your eyes.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I would prefer them cherry picking and making their own decisions rather than God. On the other hand, religion is subject to interpretation, and Al Qaeda is another interpretation of the same religion. Christianity descends from a number of religions, but they all read the same book and interpret it differently. The catholics have had a horrible effect on the world. Religion, which is for good intentions, can also be used an excuse for control and power.
The developer of the "community center" is not building this out of good intention, but with the goal of making a political statement. To many of use Americans, the statement is one of religious tolerance, but to them and their audience, it is one of dominance. There are some Muslims who have caught on to this and are opposing the building of the community center as well.
[QUOTE=BmB;24501358]Stopped watching at "european politicians".
What an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Ironically, I don't like many of the people who oppose the building of the community center. Their only argument is 9/11, which isn't even valid. There is a deeper meaning to all of this than simply 9/11.
For good measure, this man is hated by his fans as well sometimes.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LTKzg1K7Es[/media]
What I thought this guy was supposed to be smart
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